Elon Musk’s Twitter takeover. What’s your thoughts on his view on ‘free speech’ and will this allow open homophobia from the TQ crowd? by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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In the UK I think it means more people will be getting reported to the police for hate speech if they have no recourse on Twitter to punish people for saying "women don't have penises" or whatever other reality driven speech triggers them. How the police will respond remains to be seen but we don't have a good track record on that so far.

How else it will play out I'm not sure. I agree with others that governments, mostly the US will try to interfere having found a rekindled love for Section 230 and other means to make Musk play ball with them.

Whatever happens I'm sure it will be popcorn worthy!

"My Strap-on IS My Dick, Bro" Ultra-Cringe at this immersive LARP by jjdub7 in LGBDropTheT

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I remember reading about someone (a man, possibly not with male pronouns) who did this and was indulged. I'm sure it was a Google engineer or similar.

Announcement from the LGN Management Team: Lesbian and Gay News is closing by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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Re the strife with the LGBA I wonder if it's partly diverging politics? David Bridle I believe is conservative and has platformed a number of conservative voices some who hold other views that aren't palatable to the left. I feel like the LGBA may want to be viewed as more left leaning.

This is complete speculation on my part but we've seen similar value clashes with WPUK (whose founders are left wing trade union) and the wider gender critical sphere.

Announcement from the LGN Management Team: Lesbian and Gay News is closing by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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That's a real shame. It started out really well. Any publication is doomed without significant financial backing though. Seems like some internal political strife with the LGBA too. It's not really clear why though?

Is there any popular site on the net that hasn't degraded into a far-left echo chamber that eliminates all dissent? It's downright dystopian to not even be allowed to civilly disagree. by JohnWhy in LGBDropTheT

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I might buy it just to spite them. I don't even have a games console.

Freaks now making the mainstream news - yet more reason to ditch the TQ+ by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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There's a good chance she is a useful idiot for even more sinister people. Using females with special identities as the 'face' of something that's really more for the benefit of certain groups of men is a common tactic now and we've seen it a lot.

I despise women who allow themselves to be used this way but she's probably not the biggest problem or threat here.

UK - Surrey County Council announces they'll be spending more money on rainbow crosswalks; sanity in the comments section by reluctant_commenter in LGBDropTheT

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Eventually a visually impaired person, horse rider or small child is going to be killed or injured in an RTA involving one of these crossings. Then it will finally stop the virtue signalling. As always decent health and safety policy gets written in blood.

Help, our sex life is an existential nightmare of identity politics by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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This season looks like it's going to be particularly horrendous because there's now fat shaming thrown into the mix for poor Jazz because nobody is prepared to explore what it is that's causing such poor mental health and weight gain.

Help, our sex life is an existential nightmare of identity politics by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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This generation of young people seem to be having so much sex they don't want in order to worship at the alter of gender.

The trailer for I Am Jazz was released and it seems the focal point is shifting onto onto one of the twin brothers who is trying out dating TW to show he's super inclusive except it leads to a scene where he's trying to awkwardly express that dick makes him feel uncomfortable without sounding like he's as transphobic as the rest of us basic genital fetishists.

They really are coming for us and trying to make gay men and woman "deprogram" our "preferences". by Hannibalboy93 in LGBDropTheT

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There have been a few.

I think the rebooted Sabrina show did this and the rebooted L Word.

The rebooted Saved by the Bell? Not sure if that had a romance in it?

That show that starred Zendaya had some sort of faux lesbian thing going on too I recall.

Avoid reboots seems to be one clear theme. Lol

BBC Sounds - Nolan Investigates Stonewall by Rag3 in LGBDropTheT

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I don't see why not. I'm no IT expert though, I copied the link from elsewhere.

BBC Sounds - Nolan Investigates Stonewall by Rag3 in LGBDropTheT

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Sorry just double posted this. I'll remove mine.

The full episodes are up now and I've just started listening. Sounds good so far. I understand this programme is very high profile in NI.

I don't think those outside the UK will be able to listen unfortunately.

Edit: Someone put them on Google Drive drive.google.com/drive/folders/100DGRXY3IqMgyGrt-pS8_cxOcRcb2OkM

BBC Sounds Nolan Investigates Podcast - Stonewall by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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I believe this programme is one of the most listened to in Northern Ireland. They've done a 10 part podcast into Stonewall.

Edit: Listened to about 10 minutes so far and this seems to be about institutional capture by Stonewall lobbying.

Sorry if this isn't available outside the UK, BBC stuff usually isn't.

Anyone watching the new season of Drag Race UK ? by Criticallacitirc in LGBDropTheT

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I've never watched Drag Race. I can't say I like drag but letting women compete as DQs kind of ruins the concept. It's probably going to end up killing the show.

r/askgaybros - Do you agree that terms "gay" and "lesbian" are outdated and should be changed to include trans and non-binary people? by Hannibalboy93 in LGBDropTheT

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That's so true and sort of explains why young people especially girls like it. Back in the dark ages when I was a teen girl I couldn't get enough of those daft personality quizzes in magazines like Just Seventeen and Mizz. It's proper self absorbed, navel gazing stuff but also probably part of growing up and figuring yourself out. I just wish this 21st century version wasn't so harmful.

What's Up With "Gender Critical" Gay Guys? They are tacky, spiteful, and, so far, mostly British by millicentfawcett in LGBDropTheT

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If it's any consolation I think the article says a lot more about them and like the NYT hit piece on British terfs a couple of years back (that this was clearly modelled on) it might not have the effect they are hoping for. What actually ends up happening is anyone reading who isn't a member of the church of queer gets confused and looks into the orgs they are slagging off. This is how The Peakening happens.

As an aside I find it quite funny that Terf Island and Mumsnet (lol) are apparently living rent free in the head of some American dude.

Ofcom has released new report for broadcasting diversity - They use LGB and have separated the T 🎉 by Rag3 in LGBDropTheT

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Ofcom has released new report for broadcasting diversity - They use LGB and have separated the T 🎉 by Rag3 in LGBDropTheT

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The idea that these terminally online people are going to venture further than the kitchen is hillarious.

What's Up With "Gender Critical" Gay Guys? They are tacky, spiteful, and, so far, mostly British by millicentfawcett in LGBDropTheT

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This article is something else. Hitting that sweet spot of xenophobia and homophobia.

There is so much crap in this one article I don't know where to begin.

Ofcom has released new report for broadcasting diversity - They use LGB and have separated the T 🎉 by Rag3 in LGBDropTheT

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Were Ofcom one of the orgs that dropped Stonewall after Truss announced it was causing conflicts of interest?

Top Trans Doctors Blow the Whistle on ‘Sloppy’ Care by millicentfawcett in LGBDropTheT

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Let the backtracking and the lawsuits begin!

Unbelievable to read this considering how many people have tried to call out this child abuse for what it is and have been called bigots for their efforts.

  • Marci Bowers is the surgeon who operated on Jazz Jennings and is trans themselves.
  • Also shame on the NYT for not wanting to publish this because they don't think it important.

The Final Death of an LGBTQ+ Forum by JulienMayfair in LGBDropTheT

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Have you considered approaching LGNews with an article about the demise of your group? It's the sort of thing a wider audience needs to hear is happening.

I'm sorry it's gone, it sounds like it was a solid support network for a lot of years. The importance of such cameraderie shouldn't be dismissed like this.

Not just UK leftist are tired of it, everyone is, cry more by Hannibalboy93 in LGBDropTheT

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I won't hold my breath. I think we're cursed to live in interesting times, as the saying goes!

Not just UK leftist are tired of it, everyone is, cry more by Hannibalboy93 in LGBDropTheT

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I don't think it's easy to categorise people politically these days. To the best of my knowledge she was always a LP member/voter until a few years ago and I don't really have reason to disbelieve her. The Labour Party of old that stood for the working class may have been economically left but was also a small c socially conservative. Hence why the Red Wall in the North fell so dramatically to the Tories in the last election. I think many felt there was more chance of the Tories shifting on economic policies than Labour shifting on identity politics. They may be misguided - time will tell on that, but I think that's what has happened.

Public Health England ditches biological sex from official surveys on HIV and other sexually transmitted infections by millicentfawcett in LGBDropTheT

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Dennis is talking about a Judicial Review modelling the case FPFW brought against the ONS and won regarding census data.

I would definitely contribute to funding such a case.

Public Health England ditches biological sex from official surveys on HIV and other sexually transmitted infections by millicentfawcett in LGBDropTheT

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More insanity making healthcare nonsensical and dangerous.

Good twitter thread here on the implications of this.


Why we want to keep publishing Lesbian and Gay News – and why we need donations to our Crowdfunder to continue by millicentfawcett in LGBDropTheT

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LGNews are in the last week of their Crowdfunder and still have about 10k to go. I know not everyone agrees with all their guest writers but they've produced some good articles since their launch. Please share where you can.

Woke straight guy on FB: "We need to listen to Radical Islam." by JulienMayfair in LGBDropTheT

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This is worth a read just for the explanation of how these types soon change their mind when virtue signalling becomes reality for them.


The Court of Appeal has overturned Kiera Bell's ruling by HelloMomo in LGBDropTheT

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I'm a Brit but not a legal person. I think if she wants to take it further her team have to apply to the court to be granted leave to appeal just as the Tavi did on the previous judgement. I think you have to outline the basis upon which you want to appeal further. I believe an application to appeal can be turned down if it's felt to not have merit at which point the most recent judgement stands.

Is this our cue to leave yet? Seriously... by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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Sorry it was actually a few days ago she was talking about it. It was an interview where she's talking about 'menstruators' and 'birthing people' and how it's not just women that need abortions. The usual far left stuff that's a mirror to the far right stuff!

Is this our cue to leave yet? Seriously... by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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Well they have turned LGBTQIA+ into a secular religion complete with doctrine and perceived heresies. It's not surprising it becomes harder to spot the difference.

Is this our cue to leave yet? Seriously... by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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This morning AOC has made some dumb statement that reproductive justice (meaning abortion) is for everyone. Same vibe.

The only place they haven't fully tried to go with this is race. Perhaps because the right wing got there first with 'All lives Matter'. Give it time though.

GC Twitters criticism of Pete & Chasten Buttigiegs Adoption is getting homophobic by Criticallacitirc in LGBDropTheT

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Are we sure they're adopted? AFAIK they've not made an official statement, I think it was CNN that inferred it based on them previously talking about looking into adoption. I hope that's the case because it's better than surrogacy, it does seem fortuitous though that twin newborns, one of each sex became available quite quickly on what I'm told are long waiting lists.

I mostly try to avoid adoption discussion (any not just same sex) these days because I'm adopted and don't think it's always a brilliant fairytale so I have a lot of biased views that usually mean I end up arguing with someone which stirs up a lot of feelings for a while after about things which can't be changed.

Peter Tatchell by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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The discomfort with Tatchell stems from a letter he wrote to a newspaper where he states "Several of my friends gay and straight, male and female had sex with adults from age 9-13. None feel they were abused. All say it was their conscious choice and gave them great joy"

The whole letter is a pro paedophilia argument, I'm not sure how it can be interpreted as anything else.

I used to have a lot of time for Tatchell, his book Battle for Bermondsey was one of the first I read on my Sociology course as a teenager but now I just find him disappointing.

This is the letter https://gript.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Peter-Tatchell-Letter-1.jpg

Chris Crocker, of 'Leave Britney Alone' and gay porn fame, is transitioning to 'Cara' by jjdub7 in LGBDropTheT

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Didn't he already do this once before a few years ago then desist? I'm sure I remember reading about it.

Gay man kicked out of Manchester Pride for wearing a LGBA shirt. Gender zealots celebrate this as a victory. by millicentfawcett in LGBDropTheT

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The main person responsible for this is a prominent Lib Dem member who is reported to describe herself as a 'queer heterosexual' whatever the hell that means.

My interpretation is that a straight woman verbally abused and hounded a gay man from a pride event because she believes his same sex attraction is transphobic and that she has more right to be there than him.

I know I say this a lot but it's just unfathomable to me how we reached this point. It's profoundly disturbing.

I saw an older gay man comment on twitter that the video was just like a scene from the 80s when gay men would be harassed and hounded in public.

Gay man kicked out of Manchester Pride for wearing a LGBA shirt. Gender zealots celebrate this as a victory. by millicentfawcett in LGBDropTheT

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It appears he was also denounced as a 'terf' which presumably now just means anyone we don't like and doesn't agree with us. I doubt this man claims to be a feminist of any sort. He was there because he's gay and pride used to be for men like him.

I guess it's not just lesbians being kicked out anymore!

Edit : Video has now emerged. Disgusting treatment of this man. How have we gone so backwards?


Kurtistrippdied Twitter account suspended, anyone know why? by xandit in LGBDropTheT

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He had a thread in the last day or two accusing a trans org of promoting the stealth rape of gay men. It was something about trans identified females using cruising spaces to give men oral sex without revealing their true sex.

He didn't pull any punches with his language and no doubt the thread ruffled feathers.

No idea whether it was this thread that got him suspended but I wouldn't be surprised.

Where are the straight-identifying women in relationships with trans men/trans-identifying females? by yousaythosethings in LGBDropTheT

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I think it's harder for media to spin a beneficial angle for straight men and straight women. By straight I mean the majority of hets who don't question their orientation post puberty, obviously a small number do question later in life and come out as bi/gay.

That majority generally have a vague life plan that at some point in their 20s/30s involves having kids. Even if they can be persuaded politically that TWAW and TMAM they aren't primed early on for the possibility of IVF, sperm donation, surrogacy or adoption in the way gay and lesbian people are - until something goes wrong it's not really a consideration.

Average, well rounded and healthy straight people are unlikely to be persuaded out of the easiest and most sexually attractive life path for them (opposite sex relationships) in exchange for some flags, glitter and inclusivity. Why would they? Straight people have a plentiful dating pool as it is. Much easier for the media to focus on anyone who sits outside of being straight.

Equally I think gay men, although targeted, are unlikely to perceive much benefit to themselves.

Sadly I think this is why lesbians and to an extent bi women, end up being the focus of both TW & TM much of the time. It's the double whammy of being women (who are generally more agreeable and empathetic) but unlike many straight women are less likely to be fixated on the heteronormative life path of dating-marriage-babies. Hence the erroneous assumption that convention (or genitals) shouldn't matter to lesbians and an expectation they be flexible with how they identify.

The woke "male feminist" youtuber to stunning and brave transwoman timeline by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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He was also an out of work actor in a pandemic that shut down all theatres. It's greatly boosted his channel and patreon. One minute no one had heard of him the next he's getting interviewed by the BBC. Amazing what a name change and a bit of lippy can do. Seems like the British version of Clymer.

US rapper Kurtis Tripp talks to Dennis Kavanagh about conversion therapy at 13, the pressure to identify as trans and his journey back as a gender critical gay rights activist by millicentfawcett in LGBDropTheT

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This is the tik tok guy from earlier this week. He sounds to have had a rough past although he is quite upfront about his prior felonies. He seems to be getting a lot of harassment on twitter still.

A reminder that the long awaited book "Trans" by Helen Joyce is released today. by millicentfawcett in LGBDropTheT

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Nice. I persuaded a friend to buy a kindle copy. I think she's in for a shock because Helen lays it all out much better than my attempts to explain how insane things have got.

A reminder that the long awaited book "Trans" by Helen Joyce is released today. by millicentfawcett in LGBDropTheT

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Glad you're enjoying it. I couldn't put it down.

I was expected to smile my way through it all”: A lesbian transwidow tells her heart-wrenching story to Jo Bartosch by millicentfawcett in LGBDropTheT

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A moving interview from a woman whose girlfriend transitioned.

A reminder that the long awaited book "Trans" by Helen Joyce is released today. by millicentfawcett in LGBDropTheT

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Have you read Material Girls by Kathleen Stock? She is a prominent UK lesbian, not really a radfem either although many would put her in that category solely because of her views on this topic.

Now there's been quite a few books written on the issue I think what stands out as missing is a book by a gay man aimed largely at gay men or at least from that perspective.

That's what struck me when reading the chapter on transing children and the particularly upsetting bit about Kai Shappley whose mother readily admits trying to beat the gay out of him before settling on turning him into a girl.

It's unusual that this hasn't happened yet because gay male writers have historically been at the forefront writing about harms in the past.

Anyone up for a challenge?

A reminder that the long awaited book "Trans" by Helen Joyce is released today. by millicentfawcett in LGBDropTheT

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I don't think so. She's not strictly a feminist either or at least she didn't write about feminism or women's rights prior to this. She's worked at The Economist for a long time and has a PHD in mathematics.

She did a podcast a few days ago for The Critic with Jo Bartosch (LGB News) in which she explains how and why she got into writing about this.


Take your hole pills you stupid f*gs by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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Imagine being that obnoxious, even as a teen. Is she doing it for internet cred?

At least the club was kicking her out. Silver linings and all that.

Take your hole pills you stupid f*gs by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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Her timeline is interesting. She sounds like a kid who is weaning off trans ideology but isn't quite there yet and has gone a weird hybrid of femcel and radfem. She seems to recognise identity is bullshit but still has pronouns in bio and uses afab un-ironically. If she truly is 16 as stated hopefully she'll grow up bit soon.

A reminder that the long awaited book "Trans" by Helen Joyce is released today. by millicentfawcett in LGBDropTheT

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Thanks that's good to know.

A reminder that the long awaited book "Trans" by Helen Joyce is released today. by millicentfawcett in LGBDropTheT

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It could be just the UK release then. I think it's also available in Waterstones, one of our major booksellers, but I don't know if they ship internationally.

Sorry if I got your hopes up. Hopefully it will be available in the US soon.

A reminder that the long awaited book "Trans" by Helen Joyce is released today. by millicentfawcett in LGBDropTheT

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I actually have a hard copy coming too. I prefer reading on Kindle these days but I often buy a physical version too if it's a book I want to keep or lend out.

Some Discussion Questions for You Guys by Horror-Swordfish in LGBDropTheT

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I don't think same sex marriage caused this. Firstly because there are countries that have embraced transgenderism where marriage equality doesn't exist. Secondly the groundwork for much of what's happened was laid decades ago. Orgs like The Beaumont Society/Press for Change in the UK have been around for a long time. We had the Gender Recognition Act (2004) years before marriage equality, in fact one of the main reasons the GRA exists in the UK is because the government at the time did not want to introduce same sex marriage.

That said organisations like Stonewall have taken advantage and accelerated things due to having a vacuum post marriage equality. It's provided them with a new cause and new income stream. So I can see why people conflate marriage equality and what has come after.

Re the mental illness aspect. I don't necessarily think it's a problem to have removed the T from the DSM just as it wasn't with gay. For me it's a case of present outwardly how you wish but stop pretending people can change sex and that there are no consequences to that lie.

As a comparison it would be like gay people decades ago rather than fighting for acceptance of reality e.g two men can be in a relationship and that's fine, insisting their relationships were actually heterosexual despite the evidence of our eyes.

I really don't see how in 30/40 years the concept of gender ideology will have survived all the inevitable casualties. Things are pretty bad now and a hell of a lot of people are starting notice. Are people really going to be discussing in decades to come about how it's so great that no females compete in sport now? Will they reminisce happily about how backwards it all was when AFABs used to win Olympic medals? I hope that's not the dystopia we have to look forward to because it's not a world I want to live in.

r/lgballt:"Clowngender is heckin cute and valid uwu" they are beyond parody at this point by FineIWillDoItMyself in LGBDropTheT

[–]millicentfawcett 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That was my first thought. These are the kids that a few decades ago would have been happy playing table top games in a little clique. I don't really care that they want to squabble over nonsense but it's a problem when adults who should know better give it credence and it's a problem when it's linked with the LGB community.

Comments on Benjamin Cohen (from Pink News) article in The Times by reluctant_commenter in LGBDropTheT

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I think you can only view the comments with a subscription or if you are reading a share token article. I don't think archive sites capture comments. Sorry I don't have either. I keep toying with taking out a subscription but it's not cheap even when on offer.

Do you think many non-binary people become trans? by louisa_emythox in LGBDropTheT

[–]millicentfawcett 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

NB females have a strong likelihood of eventually having a mastectomy and dabbling in hormone treatments even if they retain the NB label.

It's another one of those incongruous things about this ideology - despite non binary supposedly meaning neither sex it seems in young women it actually ends up favouring the male appearance and identity. Hence a lot of NB girls going by he/they.

NB males overall seem to do less that could be physically harmful. It's often just about wearing makeup and having a beard (plus a huge amount of ego and entitlement).

It's definitely a gateway identity especially if you're female.

Help me find a video! - About NZ Pride by Rag3 in LGBDropTheT

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How many LGB are gender critical? by RedJackal in LGBDropTheT

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I think it's a lot more than that and little to do with political allegiance. I can easily believe that most would rather rip their tongue out than admit to being gender critical/a believer in biology in the current climate but I'm sure their choice of sex partners tell you everything you need to know. If they aren't including FTMs in their dating pool, they know.

The saying goes;

TRA in the tweets TERF in the sheets

Now that the "Trans-racial" topic is discussed in the Wakosphere again thanks To Oil London. by FineIWillDoItMyself in LGBDropTheT

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Bring it on. I want to see people putting pressure on Crufts to allow them to compete. Trans Dogs are Dogs.

How to undo half a century of hard slog to improve the lives of LGB people by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]millicentfawcett 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thing is though some are. This is one of the issues, if all LGB's stood firm it would be a lot easier. Same with women and feminism, for every woman who is fighting against female erasure and wanting kids to grow up safely there's another who's cheering it on and transing their 3 year old.

Twas ever thus I suppose.

Glenn Greenwald is DONE with Queers! ;-) by BEB in LGBDropTheT

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I remember having an exchange with GG on twitter about 12-18 months ago. I can't remember what aspect of this whole insanity it was about but I got the impression back then he wasn't a believer but he was quite dismissive.

He was one of those people who say things like "of course the concept of a female penis is ridiculous but no-one is actually making that claim, you're just being hyperbolic"

I guess he's educated himself since then.

It's transphobic to describe yourself as "same sex attracted", according to AskTransgender. by FediNetizen in LGBDropTheT

[–]millicentfawcett 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've been reading through those comments, horrified, and I'm thinking who are these people? Where did they come from? Then I realise that despite gains for LGB people in law over the past decades the sentiment that same sex attracted people are 'unnatural' just hasn't gone away has it? It's festered under the surface and turned into this nightmare.

LGBA USA – Leading the way in preserving and protecting the rights of lesbians, gay men and bisexuals. by millicentfawcett in LGBDropTheT

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New website launched. Looks pretty good. The design is great.

Concerns we're heading for a misgendering crisis as 61% of Brits never ask about pronouns™ by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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A completely manufactured 'crisis'.

Rather than cave to the demands of TQ+, Philly Pride Presents disbands their organization by NutterButterFlutter in LGBDropTheT

[–]millicentfawcett 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks. Glad it was helpful. I realised after posting it was a lot of text to wade through but the Deptford Project and what went on there is a crystal clear example of fetishising the working class whilst also being disdainful and dismissive of them.

Rather than cave to the demands of TQ+, Philly Pride Presents disbands their organization by NutterButterFlutter in LGBDropTheT

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You might find this interesting. It happened a few years ago in the UK but highlights what you are observing. It's too long to fully quote but I've picked out some relevant bits.


Lucy Mcdonagh grew up working class, raised by a single mother. Her life as a young woman was marked by addiction, abuse, poverty, and mental health issues. She managed to escape a relationship with an extremely violent man at 32-years-old, after being partnered with him for 10 years. “My experience of being a working class woman and the level of trauma carried by many working class people has been my driving force since I was young,” Mcdonagh told me.

“All I have ever wanted to do is to try and empower working class people into supporting ourselves and, in doing so, empower our community. Being working class isn’t just about poverty. It’s about resilience and an unspoken understanding of violence. We don’t talk about our struggles because that places us at greater harm.”

That reality is suddenly of great interest to those who wish to coopt (or “parasitize,” if you will…) the struggles of oppressed groups as a means to gain social, cultural, or political leverage.

Mcdonagh had been forced to close the holistic wellness centre she was running in Deptford after leaving her then-partner, due to the trauma and subsequent breakdown she experienced during the police process. Once back on her feet, Mcdonagh co-founded The Deptford People Project, which not only feeds people, but, in her words, “created a family for those who were ostracized from the community.”

“We eat together, we played music, laughed and talked… We were not offering a service, we were offering an opportunity to become part of a community again. There was no ‘helping the poor’ — we are all poor and ran the project together. It was amazing.”

Not long after this project took off, Deptford was gentrified, and working class people like Mcdonagh were no longer welcome. “Working class people can be quite scary to white middle class people not from the area,” she explained.

“We shout and swear and take the mick out of [tease] each other. We speak a different language. One that is often mistaken for aggression. We’re not [politically correct] because most of us have never really believed that politics is anything more then a rich man’s game to get richer. But we’re not unintelligent — we’re just not academic.”

Gentrification brought a sudden increase in “very posh, white, ‘social justice’ groups and movements.” Now, the local groups who claimed to support the most marginalized seemed, to Mcdonagh, to be little more than “a social gathering for privileged students, using the community as a trendy trademark.”

“They used weird pronouns and called themselves ‘they,'” Mcdonagh said. She didn’t think this “rich kid’s trend” would affect her work so didn’t concern herself too much. “We were too busy trying to keep people fed, off the street, and out of prison.”

Though purporting to support the oppressed, Mcdonagh felt these students had no concept of or empathy toward the real experiences of actual marginalized women. “In reality [they] were supporting themselves via a complex new ideology and language that only they speak,” she said.

Mcdonagh was similarly nonplussed after meeting with a new domestic violence organization, also run mainly by young middle class students. The language this group used struck Mcdonagh as nonsensical and unhelpful to women actually suffering due to male violence. “The list of trigger warnings and safe space policies included a whole load of new gender terms that I had never heard of.” She adds, “I don’t know what a safe space is but I’d like to know where there is one for working class people in our area.”

In particular, all the focus on “gender identity” confused her. “Why were all the most publicized [social justice organizations]… suddenly centering their [work] on a group of people I’ve never come into contact with?”

At this point, Mcdonagh discovered the proposed changes to the GRA. She had some close friends who were “transsexual,” so understood how the GRC worked. She told me:

“I had never been concerned about a trans person who had medically transitioned entering a women-only space. To my knowledge it wasn’t a big thing. Only about 5000 people have a GRC in the UK. So you can imagine that doesn’t really cause any major issues.”

But during a discussion with Goldsmiths students about a community housing project, things blew up. Mcdonagh was verbally attacked by students after rejecting the new language being imposed on her community, called a “white cis woman,” then a “bitch and a “cunt.” A young male student tagged her in a post online arguing that the Women’s March should not allow women to focus on “the vagina” as it was “transphobic.” When Mcdonagh asked how he was defining “woman,” the man responded, “Anyone who says they are.”

This is when, she says, it all fell into place. “That’s what ‘self-identify’ means: anyone can say they are anyone… So, rich, privileged people can claim to be marginalized.” Beyond that, she asks, “How can we keep working class women safe if anyone can be a women legally?”

Mcdonagh became more troubled when “a middle class teenage boy identifying as women [was] given a woman’s officer position in the Labour Party” and when she observed a woman she knew suspended from the party for “refusing to say that a male person with a penis is a woman.”

She tells me there is “a very real lack of understanding about female victims of abuse, their need for sex-segregated spaces, and their need to be protected from predatory men.” But it has become impossible to debate or even discuss these issues. “Suddenly (mainly) white middle class students were shouting down and abusing working class women for expressing concern,” she says. “These people were bullying real victims into [submitting to] their ideology — women who have spent their lives being forced to accept situations they don’t want.”

Mcdonagh says she doesn’t believe that “a rich white boy” can “understand the needs of a working class ex-care system woman, raped and abused for decades by many different men — a woman living in a world that won’t ever feel safe again and who is bringing up children in a community that is suffering [due to] poverty, abuse, and trauma.”

“I couldn’t sit back a watch this final episode of ‘Gentrification Deptford’ invade the only thing that working class women have left: their experience.”

Mcdonagh and her group were concerned about how the proposed changes might affect services for women like her and those she worked with. Yet the questions they have are not being answered. They worry about how they will be able protect the women they work with from males who need only self-identify as female in order to access women’s spaces and about whether or not a “small, unfunded, grassroots organization [will be able to] challenge the law for the greater good if needed.” They also want to know whether challenging such a law could jeopardize their access to funding in future.

“Working class women know the lengths that abusers will go to get access to their victims,” she said. “We know this because we have lived it.”

“I fear that just the possibility that a male-bodied person [whether a client or staff member] could access a women-only service would be enough for, for example, our Muslim women’s community to avoid those spaces,” Mcdonagh says. “We are still trying to access hard to reach women and this would definitely make it more difficult.”

While she doesn’t believe “trans people” are inherently a threat, Mcdonagh believes very strongly that victims of male violence need women-only services and that women should be prioritized in terms of staffing these kinds of services as well. “We have already seen that trans-identifying males tend to apply for women-only positions and job vacancies as a way of reinforcing their gender identity,” she says.

“The first thing Lily Madigan did upon receiving their GRC was to apply to volunteer for women’s refuge. This is a white, middle class, 20-year-old male (who has not medically transitioned), who took their school to court to be able to wear a skirt. Lily wasn’t applying to volunteer because they felt they had something to offer victims of domestic violence. Lily was using women’s refuge to validate their identity and enforce transgender rights regardless of the effect on female victims.”

“When we are being verbally abused and called fascists because we are concerned about the effects of policy change on marginalized people, it is a direct attack on working class women and grass roots organizations.”

It’s bad enough that women are being fired, ostracized, bullied, and threatened for trying to speak about an issue that affects their lives, rights, spaces, and movements in so many ways. That it is largely young, white, middle and upper class individuals, bullying marginalized women, who have worked in these movements for decades, makes the situation all the more shocking and hypocritical.

Mcdonagh says:

“I want to tell those people who have gentrified our whole existence that our safe spaces are not for sale. That our experience is not for them to redefine. I want to let those people know that they are complicit in the victimization of already victimized people. Mostly, I want to start a conversation about social privilege and how the trans political and social movement is driven through [academia] and is suppressing the rights of working class women.”

RA apology to artist Jess de Wahls for removing her works for supposed ‘transphobia’. Gender woo woo crowd lost! Usually suspects now trying to cancel the Royal Academy(Lol, founded in 1768, good luck Ayden), with much anger over the Pride flag RA is using. Die mad, b!tches by Midcentury in LGBDropTheT

[–]millicentfawcett 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I suspect the reports that Jess was considering legal action focused their minds, especially in light of the Forstater judgement. Had Jess crowdfunded I think she would have raised the costs in a few hours.

Are gay people better off without Stonewall? Video debate with Stonewall, LGBA and others by millicentfawcett in LGBDropTheT

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This took place last night with Tortoise Media as the host. Features Jan Gooding former SW Chair, Christine Burns retired trans rights activist, both Kate and Bev from the LGB Alliance. Other recognisable names such as Jonny Best and I think Ben Cohen make an appearance too.

I've not watched it fully in a linear fashion, just skipped around to listen to various bits. Kate from the LGBA really came out guns blazing! Jonny was pretty good too.

Not sure it will change anything as the parting remarks by Jan don't seem to acknowledge the validity of other views especially the gay men and lesbians who spoke about the redefining of sexuality.

Sunday Social - open chat! by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

[–]millicentfawcett 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Finally found a workaround that does work. In case it helps anyone else I found a discussion on reddit that suggests adding .jpg at the end of the url. That's worked so far on the couple I've tried.

Sunday Social - open chat! by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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Thanks for the suggestion but it hasn't worked unfortunately.

Sunday Social - open chat! by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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Hope it's okay to post this here. Does anyone have any idea why I can't view Imgur posts linked here? When I click on them it takes me to the site and all I get is a blank grey page.

I've tried going to the Imgur homepage which works as normal but it's the same there if I try to click on a thumbnail. I've opened an account to see if it makes a difference being signed in but it hasn't. I've tried messing around with settings on my browser (Safari) and tried using a VPN.

I've run out of ideas now. TIA

Just as everyone suspected: Tavistock gender clinic ‘converting’ gay children by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]millicentfawcett 37 insightful - 3 fun37 insightful - 2 fun38 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Not surprising that the retention of gay employees was poor. They must have been horrified by the reality of this experimentation. I'm glad they are able to speak up now. Sadly it's coming too late for some children who are too far along this pathway.

It drives me a bit insane that the obvious isn't obvious to everyone.

Gay Americans starting to wish straight people would chill out about Pride Month by PatsyStone in LGBDropTheT

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Ha ha. Very on point. :-D

The women who have sex with gay men will now be safe - but not from Stonewall by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]millicentfawcett 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm familiar with lavender marriages and bearding but I got the impression she was talking more about a 'friends with benefits' type situation. As you say though, who knows? I have no way of verifying what's true or isn't.

The women who have sex with gay men will now be safe - but not from Stonewall by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]millicentfawcett 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I either watched or read something a while back that featured a women who I think was a founding member of the GLF or Stonewall (maybe both?). She's not very high profile compared to the founding men but she is currently a TRA. She was talking about HIV and the lack of acknowledgement that lesbians in the community were at risk because some of them slept with gay men. It was a very old interview so she meant lesbians in the true sense and she was referencing the height of the AIDs crisis. It's the only time I've heard someone bring that up and I don't know how true it is, she inferred that it was taboo but more common place that people realised.

I wonder if that is the sort of thinking behind the statement or at least part of it? I can't remember where it was to link to but it stuck in my mind because the idea of gay men and lesbian women having sex with each other out of comfort or convenience hadn't ever occurred to me. I wasn't an adult in the 80s/90s and I don't move in those circles so I still don't know what to make of it.

The Six Million Dollar Nebularomantic DemiMan by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]millicentfawcett 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Add rockers to make a it a trio and perhaps we can have a decent music era back at the same time.

Yes I know I sound old! :-)

Hungary's parliament passes anti-LGBT law ahead of 2022 election by millicentfawcett in LGBDropTheT

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Loads of articles about this but I went with one that wasn't behind a paywall.

Not a surprising move for Hungary and disappointing to have sexual orientation conflated again with gender identity.

Edited to add: Seems like Orban tacked this onto a bill outlawing pedophilia so it couldn't be challenged easily by opponents.

Marriage equality was a mistake by justagaydude123 in LGBDropTheT

[–]millicentfawcett 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It may have accelerated its reach a bit in some countries like the UK because Stonewall felt they needed a new cause but I think it would have still happened to some extent without marriage equality.

I think some of the timing is coincidental rather than straight up causation. Around a decade ago is when social media really blew up and people started becoming very 'online' especially the youngest generations. That's what has fed much of it in conjunction with queer theory being pushed via higher education. Speaking of higher ed, in the UK at least, it's also the time frame in which universities have ceded a lot of power to students because they became paying customers via high tuition fees. If education were still free I think more of the crap that goes on would have been nipped in the bud.

It's also worth noting that orgs like The Beaumont Society and the older transactivists like Burns and Whittle have been around much longer than most people are aware of, lobbying governments and influential people. I'm speaking from a UK centric perspective here but much of the groundwork was already laid before it all went viral and anyone realised the significance of what was being done.

In short I think it's been a perfect storm situation with no one factor to 'blame'.

Oh the pain, the pain: the agony of these dickless losers on /r/askgaybros by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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I don't know if that's a straight up troll or a confused young person. If it's the latter I continue to be baffled at how many people especially the younger end don't understand the basics of homophobia. I mean, "Eww, men liking other men's dicks is nasty, why do you all do it?" is surely 101?

I know how this has happened but I still can't quite believe it has happened.

You know how progressive Iran is... by turtleduck23 in LGBDropTheT

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I seem to recall Mouncey being very upset that people might think he was sexually attracted to men.

You know how progressive Iran is... by turtleduck23 in LGBDropTheT

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Clymer nicely demonstrating they have been promoted above their ability in the human rights arena.

Even the most pro trans activist should be able to understand there's nothing progressive or praise worthy about Iran.

Mind you Clymer isn't the first to do this. I believe Pink News have form also.

'Working with Stonewall is no longer compatible with NHS values' by millicentfawcett in LGBDropTheT

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A cracking article by a lesbian woman who is a former NHS Chief Exec. She pulls no punches with this one and it's great to see it in a publication like the HSJ.

Gender critical beliefs are now protected by equality law in the UK. by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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I did wonder if he was gay, he seems very clued up about the LGB/T aspect. Then again it's his job to be as part of Maya's legal team so I don't know. Brilliant write up either way.

Gender critical beliefs are now protected by equality law in the UK. by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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Exactly. I don't agree with the TWAW crew but I wouldn't try to get them fired for believing it.

Gender critical beliefs are now protected by equality law in the UK. by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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This is a must read from one of Maya's legal team. As well as asking what next for women he also tackles what could be a way forward for the LGB. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/forstater-judgment-what-next-peter-daly

Trans groups go to war with Charity Commission over LGB Alliance by millicentfawcett in LGBDropTheT

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Yes Green is a woman obvs, not a man. Sorry, that was a rubbish sentence composition upon reading it back. :-)

Trans groups go to war with Charity Commission over LGB Alliance by millicentfawcett in LGBDropTheT

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Jolyon Maugham the tax barrister (and occasional fox killer) at the centre of this along with Green is a straight man.

Trans groups go to war with Charity Commission over LGB Alliance by millicentfawcett in LGBDropTheT

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Further article from The Times on this. Seems to have been reported on widely today. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2db3626e-c3b1-11eb-8601-6a2ece3e4634?shareToken=d7d4fc16d949353cafd4cdbef3fa5b8b