Wtf is with all the antisemitism here?

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[–]zyxzevn🐈‍⬛ 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (84 children)

This is only the last few days.
People from debate_alt_right who claim that everything is j's fault.

[–]Canbot 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

You are right, there is always someone blaming everything on jews. Just like there is always someone blaming everything on white people, or "racism" which really means "racist white people" which is the same thing.

Sometimes they are right.

[–]zyxzevn🐈‍⬛ 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

It is a logical fallacy to blame a group based on genetics or whatever.
It is the bad people or criminals within a group, that we don't like.

I notice that different cultures have different ways in which the criminals function. In Japan we have the Yakuza, who still control some of the politics in the nation. In Italy we have the Mafia, who let sometimes explode a car with a detective in it. Then we have drugs-triads, international weapon dealers, etc. I think many Jewish criminals have specialized in banking and white-washing of money. Each criminal organization also has different ways of covering up their criminal activities.

I think that we see different organized criminals working together in the US. And all need to white-wash their money.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

It is a logical fallacy to blame a group based on genetics or whatever.

Hmm, maybe to blame an individual within that group, sure. J Peterson described it best on the subject of men - it's not correct so say that all men are more violent than any woman, but if you were to pick a man at random from a crowd, the chances are he will be more violent than a woman picked at random. And if you were to go further and find all the most violent people in a group, it's almost certain they would all be men. The same principles apply to race, why shouldn't it?

[–]Tom_BombadilBombadildo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The same principles apply to race, why shouldn't it?

Because racial difference aren't gender differences.

Generally males don't claim to be persecuted.

Should ethnic groups who claim to be persecuted be considered ethnic females?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Because racial difference aren't gender differences.

There are verifiable differences between races though.

[–]Tom_BombadilBombadildo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

There are verifiable differences between races though.

There are also verifiable differences between close siblings.

The argument is nonsense.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

We're talking about groups not individuals. But even with siblings, you would be able to say one is more likely to behave in one way that the other based on those differences. I'm not even sure what your issue is, this is straightforward yet you take objection to it.

[–]Tom_BombadilBombadildo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You're being selective when it suits your narrative.

It simply isn't true.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Honestly mate, you seem incredibly stupid.

[–]screwballeclipsed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

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[–]Canbot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Let's suppose that when you look at the data you find that an overwhelming majority of the criminals have a common attribute. Do you have to pretend that it doesn't exist if that attribute happens to be that they belong to a certain group? What if that takes away your ability to reduce that crime? Is losing the ability to stop that crime worth it?

[–]screwballeclipsed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

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[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

How do you know when someone is simply looking at the data and drawing the correct conclusion, and when they are just "blaming a whole race"? Doesn't there have to be room for people to say "the shoplifting in this store is 90% of the time committed by a young black male"? Why is it that this statement, no matter how factual, is automatically labeled racist? Are the people who do that not ignorant? Are they not disingenuous in their argument? Are they not building a wall that prevents anything from being done about the problem? The first step to solving any problem is to acknowledge what the problem is. Nothing can ever be fixed when bullshitters are allowed to scuttle every conversation with blanket accusations of racism.

[–]screwballeclipsed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

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[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I draw a distinction between having an honest conversation about what the problem is and focusing on a particular group. I don't know what the solution should be but having a policy that only applies to one race is wrong. It is a difficult problem and should be discussed, but we should not throw the innocent black people under the bus.

[–]SaidOverRed 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But the troubling part is that the anti-jew lobby, or whatever you want to call them, don't go around accusing Jews of drive-by shootings, at least not directly. So they aren't completely out of touch with reality and can't be dismissed like they were simply crazy. They just see things differently. Maybe they are wrong like "everyone" says, but that's not a good enough reason to not engage peacefully and with civility, I think.

[–]Tallest_Skil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is a logical fallacy to blame a group based on genetics or whatever.

No. It isn’t. If the genetic expression of a series of genes predilects a group to physical violence against other groups, it’s not a logical fallacy to say that they will be more physically violent.

It is the bad people or criminals within a group, that we don't like.

And sometimes that’s the entire group. It is a logical fallacy to say that an entire group cannot be criminals.

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    [–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    "all" is never true, that is why people deny facts by saying something like "it's not all" as if that were a valid argument. But generalities are never claiming "all" just "majority". Not all high speed car crashes are deadly. But if you attack someone who says that car crashes are deadly so we should have speed limits and seat belts with "are you saying all car crashes are deadly?" you might just be brainwashed by the anti safety lobby.

    [–]Tallest_Skil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    "all" is never true

    So “all jews are jews” is never true. Got it. You’re clinically insane.

    that is why people deny facts

    Like you are, right now.

    you might just be brainwashed by the anti safety lobby.

    And if you say that jews as a group aren’t definitionally a threat to the survival of western civilization, you might just be brainwashed by the anti-white lobby.

    [–]fuck_dat_shit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

    Whataboutism spongebob me boy!

    Are we all going compare everything to Reddit forever, or make the website our own?

    [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

    Why is it that 99% of the time when someone uses the word "whataboutism" they don't understand what it means? There is no whataboutism here. Perhaps you could try to make a coherent argument instead of throwing out a word you don't understand as if that were an argument.

    [–]fuck_dat_shit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    There is always someone blaming everything on jews. Just like there is always someone blaming everything on white people

    I don't really understand how much more clear cut I can make an argument for "whataboutism"

    And again, why are you comparing to reddit? I haven't seen much white hate on the site, but there's quite a bit of salt and peppered anti-semitism here. No skin in the game there, just calling as I see.

    [–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    Whataboutism: Essentially a reversal of accusation, arguing that an opponent is guilty of an offense just as egregious or worse

    Merrian-Webster

    I am not accusing anyone of anything, least of all to deflect an accusation. I am pointing out that it is human nature to blame a boogiman group. It is of course far more prevalent to come across baseless accusations against white people, so much so that it is not even noticed. That Jews are being blamed for things is not anything out of the ordinary, except that it blames Jews instead of white people. It is the exact same formula, based on the exact same logic, with the exact same lack of supporting evidence.

    I in no way said it doesn't happen.

    I in no way said it is ok because someone else does it or something else that is bad.

    I in no way tried to change the topic.

    I merely pointed out that this is not a special characteristic of saidit. It is the status quo everywhere humans go, it just happens to take on a slightly different form from most other places.

    [–]Tallest_Skil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    That Jews are being blamed for things is not anything out of the ordinary, except that it blames Jews instead of white people.

    One is true, and one is false. That’s where you’re hung up.

    with the exact same lack of supporting evidence.

    OH BOY, FILTHY GOY, YOU WANT TO SAY THAT AGAIN? State something you believe; I’ll prove it wrong.

    [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    One is true, and one is false. That’s where you’re hung up.

    They are both equally false. You are a racist.

    [–]Tallest_Skil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Nope, sorry, cry harder about being wrong. One is true. One is false.

    you are a racist

    Yes, and? Why do you support the genocide of my people?

    [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    He accuses others of what he does.

    [–]screwballeclipsed 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (43 children)

    i don't understand why alt right blames everything on them

    [–]Canbot 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Why not ask them? That is the point of free speech. When someone says something dubious just challenge them on it.

    [–]screwballeclipsed 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

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    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    /s/debatealtright

    though you may get more interesting answers on a general sub, I've seen people here with a variety of thoughts on Jewish people as a whole or on specific Jewish groups. you could always crosspost.

    [–]screwballeclipsed 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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    [–][deleted] 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

    BLM, Nation of Islam, and even subsets of Marxism have the same prejudice against Jews. It has to do with over-representation spurring mistrust among other things.

    [–]screwballeclipsed 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

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    [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    My point being that this sort of hatred for the men at the top of the food chain is pretty mundane and expected stuff. You also see this with Tanzanians' hatred of Indians and Turkish hatred of Armenians. Jews are extremely over-represented at the top of Western civilization.

    [–]screwballeclipsed 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

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    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Jews are shape shifters and projectors. They fired up their media outlets and told everyone whites were too powerful when in fact jews have the most wealth disproportionate wealth at of any group. It is ironic is it not? The same ethnic scape goating that jews complained about under hitler is the same thing they are doing in the white western nations.

    [–]Tallest_Skil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Marxism prejudice against jews

    Imagine being so brainwashed that you think LITERAL JEWISH PUPPETS, FOLLOWING AN IDEOLOGY THAT IS LITERALLY JUST “THE TALMUD, BUT SECULARIZED” WHICH WAS CREATED BY A JEW, are prejudiced against jews.

    [–]grocerymannn 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    why don't you ask them

    [–]screwballeclipsed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    there's a sub, or do i ask someone in particular?

    why do you think?

    [–]grocerymannn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Ask the sub, "why do you guys hate jews?"

    [–]screwballeclipsed 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

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    [–]grocerymannn 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    https://www.saidit.net/s/debatealtright

    [–]screwballeclipsed 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    oh, i seenow, the /s/ can't believe i didn't figure that out

    [–]zyxzevn🐈‍⬛ 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    I don't know what the different people think exactly. Before the 2nd world war this was really extreme, and some of the far right has inherited those ideas.

    But in the modern day there is a revival due to the weird political situation in the US. In the US, many dual citizens (with Israel) have a a lot of important positions in politics, business and media. And I think this is a bad situation when just one small group has far more power than others.

    I think it has more to do with belonging to a corrupt elite-group, instead of belonging to a certain religion. You can see that from the orthodox Jews, who are often speaking against those power grabs. And also many dual-citizens are speaking out. They see some of the Israel politics as extremely racist.

    [–]screwballeclipsed 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    i've read about the dual citizen thing on other sites, but the concept of being loyal to two different countries doesn't make sense. i haven't researched any of the examples i have seen, but it seems that the dual citizens are favoring one country predominately over the other.

    [–]zyxzevn🐈‍⬛ 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Operation Blue - "funny" video
    http://www.bitchute.com/video/SIN-RT2l5PA/

    [–]screwballeclipsed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    haha that's funny

    [–]jet199Instigatrix 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Isn't it really stupid to sign your kids up for dual citizenship with Israel because they have to do military service and the government can hold them in the country until they've done it.

    [–]magnora7 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Ultra-orthodox are exempt from military service though, so there are loopholes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exemption_from_military_service_in_Israel

    Also apparently includes all expatriates. So there's a lot of exemptions

    [–]Grateful 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    A lot of Dems are not friendly to Jewish people. Omar, DeBlasio, Farrakahn.

    [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Omar is isil Likudniks would say.

    [–]Dragonerne 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Do you like reddit?
    Who owns the majority shares of reddit?

    [–]Chipit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    British Labour party has had a huge issue with it. It ain't just the right, and don't pretend that it ever was.

    Just means that the media you consume doesn't report it.

    [–]screwballeclipsed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

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    [–]Chipit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    Yes? It's been all over the news? Did you ever hear of Jeremy Corbyn and Momentum?

    How about this one? https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/labour-shadow-minister-reed-deletes-desmond-tory-puppet-master-tweet-1.501335

    A Labour shadow cabinet minister has been accused of using an "unacceptable trope’’ after claiming that property developer Richard Desmond was "the puppet master to the entire Tory cabinet.’’

    Conservative MP Andrew Percy, who is Jewish, said: “Alluding to Jews as puppet-masters is an age old antisemitic trope and for a Shadow Cabinet member to use this trope is totally unacceptable."

    This happened yesterday. It wasn't some nobody, it was a top Labour official with a shadow cabinet post.

    I guess you watch censored news. A pity. Hopefully Saidit will broaden your horizons.

    [–]screwballeclipsed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

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    [–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    What, like the internet isn't censored? Google censors their search index and Google News. Not to mention Facebook/Youtube/Twitter, which are all heavily censored.

    If you haven't heard of Labour's issues, then come on. They're not new, they've been around for years. Here's al-Guardian coming out and admitting it in 2011: http://www.thecommentator.com/article/624/the_guardian_acknowledges_a_degree_of_anti_semitism

    [–]screwballeclipsed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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    [–]bjam27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Not as much as the Leftwaffe

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      [–]SaidOverRed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      Right-leaning fascists. So, not actually straight-line conservatives but sympathetic to them.

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        [–]SaidOverRed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        What kind of a question is that? Everyone is religious to a point. That's like saying 'philosophical people' or 'mathematical people'. Yes, people know what the concept of numbers are (some debate about Brazilian native tribes aside), and people understand various philosophical sets even when they forget their naming conventions. Those who think they are 'not religious' just haven't bothered to exercise that part of their personhood yet. But fine, if you must have an oversimplified answer: "Yes."

        [–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        They are not sympathetic to conservatives.

        [–]oneinchterror 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Ask them yourself: /s/DebateAltRight

        [–]Tallest_Skil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        I don’t understand why you think the ✡alt-right✡ exists as anything other than a jewish puppet group, given that all its leaders are either homosexual jews, jews, or homosexuals. I’m not sure what you even think traditionalist ideology is, given that you’ve apparently never seen it and can only contextualize reality through the lens of communist propaganda (hence why you think the alt-right is actually “right wing”… and why you think “left” and “right” are the only dimensions of ideology).

        Please, though, ask anything you like, whatsoever, about the jews. I will prove everything that I say. I’m a Jacksonian Salamancan, which means I’m an ethnonationalist who supports limited franchise, specie-backed currency, and the death penalty for usury. That’s just a frame of reference for the “furthest left” social ideology that is healthy for a nation to hold.

        [–]screwballeclipsed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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        [–]jet199Instigatrix 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

        The funny thing is they don't even make it seem like the Jews are bad or deficient. They make it seem like the Jews are super smart, successful, loyal, resilient, etc. They sound like great people. The way antisemites describe Jewish people it would make total sense they are at the top and they themselves just look like bitter whiners.

        [–]Dragonerne 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

        Discrimination, nepotism and racism. Great attributes.

        I wonder what would happen if whites did the same?

        [–]jet199Instigatrix 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

        Err, the British, French, Spanish and all the other empires. American hegemony.

        It's already happened, you don't have to wonder.

        [–]Dragonerne 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Exactly

        [–]Lostcarkeys 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Drop the nepotism and we would have an awesome country. Much healthier, freer and more stable than our current one (USA).

        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

        No jews practice ingroup preferences and promote other jews to position of power and ignore the goys.

        [–]jet199Instigatrix 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        Almost everyone does this.

        I knew one manger in a bank who was obsessed with golf so would only employ traders who played golf. This obviously meant he only gave jobs to men of a very particular background, a much smaller group than a race or religion.

        If you want meritocracy strict anti racist, anti classist, etc policies is the only way to get there. Those policies bring their own problems though.

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Everyone does this but what you dont realize is when whites do it, the jewish funded legal system drains the hell out of these corporations when one minority tm complains to the government about discrimination! While the courts would never ever think about prosecuting a jew ran buisness.