Is the Pfizer COVID vaccine safe?

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[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (33 children)

As of May 2nd, 1.16 Billion vaccines have been shot, or 7.6% of the world's population is fully vaccinated.

I know this sounds like a lazy argument, but just look at the raw data. Do you see more vaccinated people dying, or those with actual Covid?

Source:

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/

Edit: And even if Vaccines were secretly some bioweapon, what other choice do we got against a virus? You can look at India right now and they're getting destroyed by new variants everyday. If Covid is a rain of bullets that never end, a vaccine is your own personal shield or body armor. And any type of protection is better than walking around completely exposed and defenseless.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/india-s-coronavirus-death-toll-hits-new-record-1.5410833

https://globalnews.ca/news/7828802/india-covid-numbers-national-lockdown/

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

what other choice do we got against a virus?

Viruses have been around longer than humans have and been with us for all of history. You don't need a vaccine for a novel flu if you are a healthy, non-elderly person. It isn't Black Death II

None of this has made any sense since the start. Maybe the vaccines do exactly what they are supposed to do - but what does it say about our society that we freak out over a virus with a 99.98% survival rate such that we 'lock down' the economy and destroy the livelihoods of millions of people to save a couple million old, obese, or otherwise infirm people? This is either pure hysteria or otherwise a work of some kind by the elites, I don't see any reason to buy into or trust any of it

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

It's not about being healthy. It only takes one person to literally infect the entire world and the fallout has been people of all ages dying when they shouldn't have to.

That's why it's a terrible idea to shrug this pandemic off. Covid's death count is still going, and hospital's can only accept so many patients.

If we want this madness to end, then vaccines are the only option. Again, it's like giving everyone their own personal shield and the bullets get deflected instead of coming back.

[–]sylla94 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

you're such a gay faggot

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    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    No matter how much you want to rationalize it, Covid-19 has more cons than pros.

    For example, even if you don't get sick, it's your tax dollars that still has to pay for all the ambulances and hospitals needed to save people.

    Or when schools get infected, they're forced to close down, leaving hundreds of kids stranded at home. And that's if they're lucky. A lot of parents can't even afford daycare or a babysitter, so that's a ton of stress they don't already need in their busy lives.

    It's only when we take the virus seriously, can life go back to normal.

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      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Every country that tried "herd immunity" ended up with record deaths in the beginning. It was never worth it.

      If you want to see examples of how to save your economy & population, then look at Taiwan, Australia and New Zealand. They enforced strict lockdowns and border restrictions and today are 99% virus free.

      Vietnam is also another example. They have 100 million people yet even their government knew the virus was a threat and took action. To this day, they only had 35 deaths. It doesn't have to an extreme scenario of throwing away lives and losing money.

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        [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        It is possible that there were different Covid strains, namely one being Asian, and the other European. This is where the difference in mortality comes from.

        Regardless of which strain is more deadly, it's hard to deny WHY closing borders and enforcing strict limits on body movement wouldn't result in a safer society.

        The virus never swam across water and landed on each nation's shores. It all came from infected passengers who back then, failed to quarantine once they got off the plane and spread it to the rest of the country.

        [–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

        Do you see more vaccinated people dying, or those with actual Covid?

        Covid death data is extremely unreliable. The waters have been muddied and it will be impossible to have clarity of data beause of this.

        [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

        Not true at all. Certain countries like South Korea & Israel made it a priority to keep a digital record of all Covid cases in the country. In third world countries, it's definitely harder to do this because of poverty, but we can still tell when they have a high death rate, when bodies are piling up outside of hospitals.

        Iran, at the start of 2020, was already proof that even when they tried to hide the numbers, the truth later came out and the virus was doing more damage than predicted.

        [–]Nombre27 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

        Not true at all.

        Yes it is. How does your brain conflate "keeping digital records of covid cases" with "keeping accurate data"? Were comprehensive autopsies performed on all of those digital records where a death occurred to conclusively determined the mechanism of death? Do you not see the problem here?

        [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

        Were comprehensive autopsies performed on all of those digital records where a death occurred to conclusively determined the mechanism of death? Do you not see the problem here?

        No, because we have famous people who contracted the disease, tested positive, but died shortly later.

        If you're asking for an audit on this information, perhaps call your local hospital and ask them if anyone who died recently also tested positive? Seems like the fastest way to know.

        [–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

        No, because we have famous people who contracted the disease, tested positive, but died shortly later.

        Okay, so you simply trust data simply due to it's existence and source. I don't think I have anything else to say to you.

        [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

        Okay, so you simply trust data simply due to it's existence and source.

        I actually have a little bit of experience with this. I turned down a job offer a few months ago to work for a local crematorium. They explicitly told me in the interview I would have to be touching bodies of deceased Covid patients. Unless you want me to call them for you and ask if they lied in the interview, I have strong reasons to believe that yes, anyone who did test positive but died later are part of that death toll.

        [–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

        Again you're conflating what I'm saying. I accept that they are part of that death toll as they have been tagged.

        Do you actually think that having a job interview at a crematorium validates death data?

        I don't accept the assumption that simply tagging them is adequate evidence of cause of death.

        Did you watch the CTV clip where they edited out the fact that ~99% of deaths were in long-term care homes?

        See here, 2 min mark

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfttOB2cy50 YouTube

        and stealth edit ~3:38

        https://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=2070509

        [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

        I don't accept the assumption that simply tagging them is adequate evidence of cause of death.

        Then look at actual positive test rates and see if there is a correlation to the amount of dead patients that hospitals were reporting. For example, New York's worst reporting periods were the months of April 2020 & January 2021. But the summertime saw cases dropping or nearly flatlining.

        [–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

        The numbers aren't reliable.

        Example

        https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/01/11/amid-coronavirus-flu-cases-record-low/4127197001/

        During the 2019 flu season from Sept. 29 to Dec. 28, the CDC reported more than 65,000 cases of influenza nationwide. During the same period this flu season, the agency reported 1,016 cases.

        That is one miracle. Flu infections drop to 1.5% of the typical. Does this not set off an alarm in your head about the reliability of the data?