Is the Pfizer COVID vaccine safe?

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[–]Nombre27 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

Not true at all.

Yes it is. How does your brain conflate "keeping digital records of covid cases" with "keeping accurate data"? Were comprehensive autopsies performed on all of those digital records where a death occurred to conclusively determined the mechanism of death? Do you not see the problem here?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

Were comprehensive autopsies performed on all of those digital records where a death occurred to conclusively determined the mechanism of death? Do you not see the problem here?

No, because we have famous people who contracted the disease, tested positive, but died shortly later.

If you're asking for an audit on this information, perhaps call your local hospital and ask them if anyone who died recently also tested positive? Seems like the fastest way to know.

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

No, because we have famous people who contracted the disease, tested positive, but died shortly later.

Okay, so you simply trust data simply due to it's existence and source. I don't think I have anything else to say to you.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Okay, so you simply trust data simply due to it's existence and source.

I actually have a little bit of experience with this. I turned down a job offer a few months ago to work for a local crematorium. They explicitly told me in the interview I would have to be touching bodies of deceased Covid patients. Unless you want me to call them for you and ask if they lied in the interview, I have strong reasons to believe that yes, anyone who did test positive but died later are part of that death toll.

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Again you're conflating what I'm saying. I accept that they are part of that death toll as they have been tagged.

Do you actually think that having a job interview at a crematorium validates death data?

I don't accept the assumption that simply tagging them is adequate evidence of cause of death.

Did you watch the CTV clip where they edited out the fact that ~99% of deaths were in long-term care homes?

See here, 2 min mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfttOB2cy50 YouTube

and stealth edit ~3:38

https://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=2070509

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

I don't accept the assumption that simply tagging them is adequate evidence of cause of death.

Then look at actual positive test rates and see if there is a correlation to the amount of dead patients that hospitals were reporting. For example, New York's worst reporting periods were the months of April 2020 & January 2021. But the summertime saw cases dropping or nearly flatlining.

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

The numbers aren't reliable.

Example

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/01/11/amid-coronavirus-flu-cases-record-low/4127197001/

During the 2019 flu season from Sept. 29 to Dec. 28, the CDC reported more than 65,000 cases of influenza nationwide. During the same period this flu season, the agency reported 1,016 cases.

That is one miracle. Flu infections drop to 1.5% of the typical. Does this not set off an alarm in your head about the reliability of the data?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

That is one miracle. Flu infections drop to 1.5% of the typical. Does this not set off an alarm in your head about the reliability of the data?

More people had begun wearing masks and practiced social distancing.

This phenomenon can already be observed in Asian countries, where the practice of masks was already the norm before Covid. It also matches their Covid numbers. Japan, South Korea, Taiwan etc all started off with the lowest cases in the world.

Edit: The name your of news link also gives it away. "COVID-19 is more contagious and 'less forgiving".

The numbers aren't reliable.

We still have dead bodies to look at. Did New York report more Covid deaths in the summer, or in the Winter/Spring?

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

More people had begun wearing masks and practiced social distancing.

Those are not the explanatory variables.

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20210419/p2a/00m/0na/014000c

While it is reported that at least 10 million people catch the seasonal flu every year in Japan, the number of influenza patients this year remains at an estimated 14,000, marking the the first time that an outbreak has not been recorded since annual research on flu cases was launched in 1987.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

The second paragraph does.

Although there had been fears last autumn of a double-outbreak of the coronavirus and influenza, it appears that rigorous enforcement of anti-coronavirus measures, including wearing masks and washing hands, proved effective in curbing infections.