Is the Pfizer COVID vaccine safe?

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[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

I don't accept the assumption that simply tagging them is adequate evidence of cause of death.

Then look at actual positive test rates and see if there is a correlation to the amount of dead patients that hospitals were reporting. For example, New York's worst reporting periods were the months of April 2020 & January 2021. But the summertime saw cases dropping or nearly flatlining.

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

The numbers aren't reliable.

Example

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/01/11/amid-coronavirus-flu-cases-record-low/4127197001/

During the 2019 flu season from Sept. 29 to Dec. 28, the CDC reported more than 65,000 cases of influenza nationwide. During the same period this flu season, the agency reported 1,016 cases.

That is one miracle. Flu infections drop to 1.5% of the typical. Does this not set off an alarm in your head about the reliability of the data?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

That is one miracle. Flu infections drop to 1.5% of the typical. Does this not set off an alarm in your head about the reliability of the data?

More people had begun wearing masks and practiced social distancing.

This phenomenon can already be observed in Asian countries, where the practice of masks was already the norm before Covid. It also matches their Covid numbers. Japan, South Korea, Taiwan etc all started off with the lowest cases in the world.

Edit: The name your of news link also gives it away. "COVID-19 is more contagious and 'less forgiving".

The numbers aren't reliable.

We still have dead bodies to look at. Did New York report more Covid deaths in the summer, or in the Winter/Spring?

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

More people had begun wearing masks and practiced social distancing.

Those are not the explanatory variables.

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20210419/p2a/00m/0na/014000c

While it is reported that at least 10 million people catch the seasonal flu every year in Japan, the number of influenza patients this year remains at an estimated 14,000, marking the the first time that an outbreak has not been recorded since annual research on flu cases was launched in 1987.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

The second paragraph does.

Although there had been fears last autumn of a double-outbreak of the coronavirus and influenza, it appears that rigorous enforcement of anti-coronavirus measures, including wearing masks and washing hands, proved effective in curbing infections.

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

So Japan gets a negligible amount of flu infections but those same policies just aren't effective against covid? Please explain.

https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/jp

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Japan actually has their own problems right now:

  1. They're still pushing for the Olympics despite many experts saying it's not a good idea. We already see the stupidity in action, when the Olympic torch staff just got sick.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/six-tokyo-olympic-torch-staffers-diagnosed-with-covid-19-1.5411736

  1. Literal Boomer politicians who are too stuck in their ways to take the crisis more seriously. For example, Japanese work culture encourages people to go Offices in person instead of shifting to remote or work from home policies.

  2. Vaccination resistance and or widespread roll out issues

  3. They've somehow imported the more contagious variants from Brazil/UK/South Africa

But by sheer worldwide ranking, Japan is still much better in the pandemic compared to other hard hit Asian countries like the Philippines or India.

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Please answer the question. Again, how come the social distancing and mask policies have supposedly been effective against influenza but not covid?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Because there are new variants that are more contagious.

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

That data isn't for new variants though. It's to date. Please try again.