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[–]FoxySDTWhite Nationalist 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I will bite a little

A misogynist is one who hates women. (Definition of misogyny)

This is actually not true. Here is definition of misogynist from Cambridge dictionary:

a man who hates women or believes that men are much better than women

So by this logic, even if some men loved their mothers they can still think they are worse than men. Therefore an example misogynist society is the one where men believe they are better than women.

[–]PeddaKondappa[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This looks like an attempt at redefining the meaning of words. The word "misogyny" has a very clear and unambiguous meaning, derived from two Greek roots: misos referring to hatred, and gyné referring to woman. Together, these two elements make a word simply indicating hatred of women. See Merriam-Webster as an example.

Expanding the definition of "misogyny" to include any belief that men are superior to women is problematic, because a belief that Y is superior to X does not imply that X is an object of hatred. For example, it is a biological fact that the average human adult male is much stronger and more physically capable than the average human adult female (it's not even close). However, it does not follow that the men who acknowledge the fact of male biological superiority must be haters of women. On the contrary, traditional patriarchal societies expected men to defend their women and children, and lay down their lives if necessary to protect them. So if you expand the definition of "misogyny" in such a way, you conflate two things which are actually separate: the hatred of women, and the belief that men are superior to women. This conflation is a consequence of the liberal worldview, where all fundamental hierarchies and inequalities are seen as oppressive. In the liberal worldview, if Group Y maintains that they are intrinsically superior to Group X in some way, then that indicates Group Y must hate and oppress Group X. The liberal mind cannot conceive otherwise.

[–]AFutureConcern 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is a redefinition - but you're doing the same thing when you claim in (1) that a misogynist is one who hates all women. According to your definition, a man who proclaims that he hates all women except his mother would not count as a misogynist. The reality is that the word has never been used in such a restrictive sense.

Misogyny is an example of a social construct that has been weaponized by feminist agitators in order to degrade society. The word was used in media to describe everyday phenomena such as men using discipline on their wives to keep them in line. The implied subtext, because of the supposed meaning of the word, is that such men "hate women". The reality is that such men probably didn't hate their wives. Once the accepted social norm is that slapping a woman is only something "misogynists" do, good men avoid doing it, and the definition of "misogyny" concept-creeps its way leftward, such that today, even believing that some psychological differences between men and women are natural, even if supported by evidence, can get you accused of "misogyny" and fired (as happened to James Damore).

You are correct that there is no such thing as misogyny - in its restrictive form, as you note, it doesn't exist because men don't unilaterally hate women. In its general form, its definition is free-flowing and like a puddle of water will fill whatever shape society is in. Since it has utility to women to accuse men of "misogyny", no matter how women are treated, the least compliant men will always get accused of it.

[–]SeasideLimbs 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So by this logic, even if some men loved their mothers they can still think they are worse than men. Therefore an example misogynist society is the one where men believe they are better than women.

That's not quite true according to the dictionary though, is it? It says, quote, "a man who hates women or believes that men are much better than women." Meaning, a man who thinks men are just somewhat better than women isn't a misogynist, right?

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Let me introduce you to the Sambia tribe in Papua New Guinea. https://www.ipce.info/library/web-article/sambia-tribe-papua-new-guinea

Also lots of men hate their mothers. A large about of the woke movement is based on adults still living at home pissed off at their parents having house rules.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Is that a real tribe or some sodomite researcher’s fantasy?

[–]Salos10000 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

Just a curious question. Are you an Indian user on r/debatefascism who said the following 'The Holocaust happened,was justified and should have been completed'.

[–]PeddaKondappa[S] 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (14 children)

Yes.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

'The Holocaust happened,was justified and should have been completed'.

The holocaust didn't happen. Extreme genocide is never justified (only a jewish mind could entertain such extreme anti human ideas). Jews should have been removed from Europe and Hitler is a chad for attempting and almost succeeding at doing that. Hitler's a hero for executing 500k Jewish Marxist treasonous spys, subversives, provocateurs and combatants. Not because they are Jewish but because they declared war on his people.

[–]Salos10000 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I remember you from years ago, that is fucked up and I can remember none of the users on that sub countering your argument.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

and I can remember none of the users on that sub countering your argument.

Reddit won't allow holocaust discussion. Nice little trick you just played there though. If the users would have attempted to engage the provocative poster the sub would have been banned for 'holocaust debate'.

[–]Salos10000 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

saidit would have banned this sub?

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Just a curious question. Are you an Indian user on r/debatefascism

You referenced a reddit sub.

[–]Salos10000 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You were attacking me for asking if he was the same user, I'm asking does saidit allow discussion of that event?

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You were attacking me for asking if he was the same user,

I didn't attack you at all

I'm asking does saidit allow discussion of that event?

Yes.

[–]PeddaKondappa[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I'm surprised you remember what I said years ago. I am no longer quite as edgy today as I was back then.

[–]Hadza 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This nigga is 100% a fed concern troll that records all we say, duh

[–]Salos10000 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I remember your ideal nation would be a confederation in Southern India. I also remember you were some kind of communist and hated capitalism. I also vaguely recall you saying homosexuals should be showered in Zyclon B.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

homosexuals should be showered in Zyclon B.

Only if they have a lice infestation.

[–]PeddaKondappa[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All of that is true, except I am not a communist. Simply hating capitalism does not make you a commie.

[–]Minedwe 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. This leftist idea that somehow society is geared against women when, in fact, biologically and in many ways politically, we still hold them on a pedestal is ridiculous. They even say positive traditional ideas like it being cowardly and weak of a man to hit a woman is somehow "misogynist" when it is, in fact, the exact opposite.

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Whether you want to label certain societies misogynistic or not there exists distinct differences between various cultures and their views and treatment of women. Distinctions between Germanic cultures and that of the Near East is not just a product of Enlightenment. The differences are not just feminist or not feminist. The widespread rape and harassment of women which is seen by Middle Eastern and North African immigrations is behavior that also occurs in their home countries is a perfect sign of these differences and we Europeans who seek to combat feminism don't need to be taking cues from such cultures.

[–]PeddaKondappa[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There is no "widespread rape and harassment of women" in countries like Iran, and men who commit such acts are executed, unlike in North European countries where they walk free (which incentivizes such behavior).

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You are right in regards to Iran and the same could be said of Iranian diaspora who are rarely involved in such behaviors in the West.

[–]cybitch 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

Who cares? A good society for women is one I, as a woman, want to live in, changing the definition of words does nothing to change the fact I wouldn't ever go anywhere near primitive, violence-filled shitholes like middle eastern or african countries. It's no coincidence the countries where people are happiest and where people want to go are ones where women are treated as equals. Noone wants to live in Iran as opposed to Sweden, even if you call it a woman-loving society it won't change the fact the women there are miserable, raising another violent, miserable generation of dumbass jihadis blowing themselves and each other up for their dumbass reasons. Most western women(aka women who have known freedom) would rather hang themselves than live in that mess, whether the males there love their mommies or not.

[–]PeddaKondappa[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Most western women(aka women who have known freedom) would rather hang themselves than live in that mess

It's funny you would say that, since suicide rates in the West are higher than in most other places, and anti-depressant use among women in their 40s and older (i.e. those who have hit the wall) is sky-high. In America, for example, an astounding 23% of women in their 40s and 50s were on anti-depressants according to a 2011 report, and that number has probably increased considerably in the time since then. This is your liberal feminist utopia.

Also, immigration patterns have almost nothing to do with "freedom." Countries like Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and United Arab Emirates receive some of the heaviest immigration on earth despite being highly authoritarian countries, simply because there are economic opportunities available in those countries due to oil. Most of those immigrants are from Third World countries, but there are a good number of Western expats in these countries as well.

[–]cybitch 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Women in the west have better access to mental health care and diagnosis. Anyway, I'm not going to argue about what makes women happy with a male. You clearly have zero insight and this is all just an exercise in pointless arguing for fun for you, you've never had anyone argue your personal freedom needs to be taken away. Maybe someday we'll get radical feminists arguing that males should all be kept in cages because they're too violent to move around freely, and only taken out for mating purposes and maybe you'll have some inkling of an understanding about what it's like to be reduced to your genitals by people who claim to have good intentions. And don't you dare call those ideas misandrist, we love our daddies so we can't possibly be advocating for you to be caged out of anything but our care for you.

[–]PeddaKondappa[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

If a radical feminist argues that men should be kept in cages, I would not be offended at all. I would just laugh my ass off.

[–]cybitch 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

If there was a long history of men being kept in cages in every single society on the planet and many societies that currently kept them in cages you might find it a bit less funny.

[–]EuropeanAwakening 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Men literally make up 90% of the people kept in cages in the US, cyBITCH.

[–]cybitch 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

And MORE than 90% of the violent crime rate.

[–]EuropeanAwakening 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

And women account for 3/4 of all non-reciprocal domestic violence, but are vastly underrepresented in arrests according due to the Duluth Model of Domestic violence, put into practice by feminist Jews. The point is, men already dealt with in society by jailing them when they commit crimes, while women actually do receive less harsh sentencing due to the Women are Wonderful Effect.

[–]cybitch 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

All your moronic talking points are pathetic, you misogynist sack of shit. I'd address them but you're unworthy of being spoken to like a human being as you're a vile piece of shit excusing the violent nature of males. Most males who get killed get killed by other males. Most males who get raped get raped by other males. That should happen to you, then when he gets away scot free and other males don't give two fucks about your well being you can cry about how it's all women's fault like the imbecile you are, then you can go and fight in a war for the benefit of other males and die in the name of males who don't even know who you are, all the while scapegoating women because you're too much of a pussy to squeak a word out against another male because they punch back.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Women like you make me reconsider my opposition to islam.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wow I actually had you pegged as slightly reasonable -- for a woman at least -- now after that comment you're beneath contempt.

Shame.

[–]roguecanine 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

you've never had anyone argue your personal freedom needs to be taken away. Maybe someday we'll get radical feminists arguing that males should all be kept in cages because they're too violent to move around freely, and only taken out for mating purposes

Have you watched Rick and Morty? It has a pretty neat episode about a planet ruled by women where males are even more aggressive than human males and are kept separated from women - they are given fuck dolls to harvest their sperm and that's their only purpose.

As just as such a turn of events would have been, it's obvious from replies to your comments that males don't expect anything like that to ever happen to them - precisely because they have the physical strength and aggresiveness to defend themselves. That's why they are not shy to impose that tyrany on women - might makes right, after all.

I think the nature played a cruel joke with human species. Our greater intelligence more often than not means not greater compassion, but rather greater ability to rationalize cruelty, which they do. Case in point - Islam made art out of rationalizing why women should be enslaved and treated worse than animals. If only our species was one of those where females are bigger in size and strength... Then the world would have had a shot at being just. Somehow I don't thing those stronger females would have kept males enslaved - most women are too good for such an action.

PS I think I saw you mention /r/blackpillfeminism in one of your comments. I've been a fellow subscriber too. I've only discovered it recently and was sad to watch it go. That sub helped me to accept the unfortunate truths of this world and wasn't violent at all - after all, violence and anger is the refuge of those who can't accept the world as it is and still think it can be changed.

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    [–]cybitch 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Is that supposed to be an insult lol. Look at the non feminists in the middle east and what their lives are like, used as bangmaids and not able to get a bank account or anything because you just know they'd escape from their slavekeeper husbands in a second would they be able to. Get raped, get put to death, wow, what a lovely life the people who don't hate men get to have.

    [–]EuropeanAwakening 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Your silly hysterics over how women are treated has never been the case in European societies, so just shut the fuck up. Anyone could easily make the argument that men have historically been used by the male and female elites of the West as cannon fodder and workhorses to get things done, forced to work brutal, unforgiving jobs for the advancement of society and to provide for women. We live in a gynocracy, the chief concern of society is to fulfill the desires, wants, and needs of women, especially non-White women.

    [–]roguecanine 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    and not able to get a bank account or anything because you just know they'd escape from their slavekeeper husbands in a second would they be able to

    Yeah it's so funny. If your country is so good and women are all for it being that way, one'd think you wouldn't need to keep women there by force. I sometimes wonder what the world would have been like if people could choose their sex before birth. I'd expect 90% of the world to be male then. And islamic countries to be 100% male. It'd be funny to watch them getting all hysteric due to no one wanting to be born as a woman there.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    That must be why there are 2 to 4 times as many MTFs as there are FTMs - cause it's just so tough to be a woman!

    [–]roguecanine 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It's a fetish to them - some people enjoy being tied up and beaten by a whip; doesn't mean there'd be many volunteers to be born as slaves in ancient Egypt. Besides (if you buy into the whole dysphoria leftspeak) a dysphoria is considered a mental health problem, which is not exactly a recipe for sound decision making. And 'transitioning' would only take one so far. Men in dresses are still male - with the physical strength that comes with it as well as ability to go back being considered a man by society - should shit really hit the fan. Less FtM to me indicates that women are less likely to be unhinged enough to destroy their bodies in a doomed attempt to change their biological sex; not to mention do they rarely have perverted sexual fetishes that would urge them to abandon all reason.

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    So you want to live in countries where whites are a large majority and white ideals form the society?

    [–]cybitch 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Basically yeah. I already live in one anyway. It's not that I have anything inherently against multiculturalism or people from other races. But from what I've seen of America it doesn't seem like the whole melting pot approach is actually functional. It serves to only improve things for the rich, by providing them with endless cheap labor and keeping people in conflict with each other.

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The idea that what characterized the relationship between men and women historically was exploitation and dominance and not symbiosis is one of the most pernicious myths ever created. It's a blood libel against men and it's not only ridiculous on its face it's an insult to any intelligent person -- yet most intelligent people I know wholeheartedly believe it.

    Turning the sexes against each other was, I think, the greatest trick the devil ever pulled. Nothing is more certain to destroy a society than animosity and resentment between men and women.

    [–]72ndGender 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Society was created to protect and serve women. By its very nature, society is misandrist, and not misogynist.

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      [–]72ndGender 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      If the goal is to take away from men, to give to women, then it's deliberately discriminatory towards men. Hundreds of millions of men gave their lives to keep civilization intact. The laws and efforts of every civilization it to punish men and protect women. Let nature sort itself out, and we will see equality. Not that I would want that...

      [–]E11vendoors 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      You can love an individual while simultaneously hating the group they belong to as a whole. It's comfortable to organize things into binary categories, but people are much more complicated than that.

      [–]EuropeanAwakening 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      No. Basic logic. If you hate all women, you can not love your mother. You must, therefore, hate her because she is a woman.

      [–]E11vendoors 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      It's shallow logic and removes the complexity of human behaviour. By your logic it's mandatory to like all cookies or you don't like cookies at all.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Interesting assessment, I believe you posted this before on Reddit. The assertion of traditional complementarian societies being misogynist is indeed flawed as they usually are gynocentric in their own right and uphold women's roles whatever that maybe as something admirable rather than to disdain, this is far from misogyny. It is mostly based on re-defining and re-interpreting of these terms by post-modern ideologies, as we also see with racism, into new meanings, as well as the belief that not abiding by egalitarianism through social regulations on women's behaviour is misogyny because they believe any such restriction is based around dislike of women (even if such standards are as harshly applied to men).

      However, for arguments sake in a theoretical sense, could not adoration for mothers be viewed as something separate from general perception of women due to the role of maternal bond, its nurturing nature and the usual lack of sexual feelings? Thus, while they may display misogynist tendencies they can nullify their own mother from this as they do not regard her truly as a "female" psychologically.

      [–]PeddaKondappa[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      However, for arguments sake in a theoretical sense, could not adoration for mothers be viewed as something separate from general perception of women due to the role of maternal bond, its nurturing nature and the usual lack of sexual feelings? Thus, while they may display misogynist tendencies they can nullify their own mother from this as they do not regard her truly as a "female" psychologically.

      Most healthy males should be able to respect other women who are mothers, as they as they can see their own mother reflected in them and understand the importance she holds for her children. That's why most "misogynistic" behavior is directed towards young women who, instead of becoming mothers and living healthy lives, chose to engage in dissolute behavior. In comparison, very little "misogynistic" behavior is directed towards traditional elderly women. However, hating a woman who is an immodest slut should not be termed as "misogynistic", just as hating a man who gets drunk and beats his wife and kids should not be termed as "misandrist." In both cases, the reason these people are hated is because they deviate from proper social roles, not because of their sex.

      Speaking of the maternal bond and its importance in getting men to empathize with women, in Shia Islamic (and especially Iranian) tradition there are many songs which commemorate females who were martyred or persecuted for their faith, and these songs frequently evoke maternal themes. Here is one of my favorite examples, which I find very emotional: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxA-nz7pvCk

      According to Western liberals, the men in this video are all "misogynists" because they probably support modesty laws.

      [–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Nice basic algorithm.

      Would be great to create more of these for countering the many stupid arguments we come across.

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        [–]PeddaKondappa[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        What if I say, "I hate most spiders, but I love some spiders, namely all red ones"? The reason for this is, I like the color red and this is more important to me than spiderness. In this scenario, I could hate all defining properties of spiders, but still make an exception for red spiders.

        I would say that since red spiders are still a subset of spiders, anyone who truly loves red spiders cannot truly hate spiders. It could be that you are neutral or apathetic towards spider-ness, with your love of red spiders deriving entirely from their property of redness, but you don't truly hate spider-ness. If you did, then you would hate red spiders due to them being unambiguous spiders.

        This actually reminds me of accusations of racism and "white supremacy" levied by leftists against their opponents, and the standard responses given against such accusations. When the typical everyday white man is accused of racism or "white supremacy", how does he respond? A typical response is to say something like, "I don't hate blacks, in fact some of my best friends are black." Leftists often mock such a response, but this is actually a perfectly logical thing to say when accused of being a "white supremacist" or hating blacks. If someone truly hated blacks, would he have any close black friends? Of course not. Even if that white man dislikes most black people, and only likes a few blacks who meet certain criteria (like speaking proper English, or knowing how to play jazz music), that alone is sufficient to show that he does not truly hate blacks.