Does a young girl who has her boobs removed make her into a boy?

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[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (41 children)

The question of whether it "makes her into a boy" is both semantic and irrelevant.

All that matters is: will it make this person's mental health better, worse, or leave it unchanged.

[–]Jiminy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (33 children)

What if it hurts our mental health to see disgusting caricatures

[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (32 children)

Well then you are quite the sensitive little snowflake.

[–]Jiminy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

Be that as it may. The mental health of the majority trumps the tiny minority

[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Personal freedom is also in the mix. Perhaps it harms your fragile mental health to see fat people in tight pants, but that doesn't necessarily mean there should be a law against fat people wearing tight pants.

[–]Jiminy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

At least tight pants can be removed, won't effect a child for life

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You just completely changed arguments, from "my own mental health can't handle seeing trans people walking down the street" to "gender reassignment affects a child for life."

Of course it affects a child for life. The question is whether the effect will be a positive, negative, or neutral effect on the child's mental health.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

There's two separate good arguments for outlawing that's all that means. When there are lots of good reasons for something but helps an argument.

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Oh, yeah, great arguments. One of them is that you're too much of a pussy to handle seeing trans people, and the other one is that gender reassignment affects people for life just like it's supposed to.

[–]SaltyTexan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What have you to say about all the people who were coerced into transitioning and later regret it? I don't have an issue with trans people, but I think that is a decision that should only be made by an adult and their healthcare provider. I don't think it should ever be an option for anyone under the age of 18.

[–]SaltyTexan 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

There should in fact be a law against fat people wearing yoga pants. The irony in and of itself should be enough. But to see a 500 pound person in Yoga pants is in fact something I wish could be unseen.

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I know this is all, like, said in an amusing tone, but I just want to share an experience...

Back in 2013 or so, I went to Quizno's for a sandwich, and there was a woman standing in line who was obviously in the early stages of chemotherapy. Her hair was coming out in clumps like she had some horrible skin disease and her eyes were sunken and she looked fucking hideous. Like, my stomach actually churned a bit and I left the restaurant to wait for her to leave before I went in and ordered.

Still, as fucking gross as she was, I think it would be kinda awful if the police showed up and cuffed her and said "You're being charged with Too Ugly For Public."

[–]SaltyTexan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

But she doesn't have any control over cancer, you do however have control over not being 500 pounds, and you have a choice in what clothes you wear, not similar at all LOL

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I think that's a pretty teenaged way to look at the world. Stressful life circumstances plus a higher than usual appetite are going to lead to weight gain, where you simply don't have time to worry about whether you're aesthetically pleasing to other people - it's forty-eighth on your priority list.

Very few people with a job and a baby are going to try to jam "count calories and exercise an hour a day" into their lives. It's too much.

[–]SaltyTexan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

No that is a responsible way to look at the world. People can control what they put in their mouths. I being a black gay female has had some stresses in my life. I'm not overweight, yet it runs in my family. I eat healthy and I'm not lazy. You're making excuses for people's lack of self control and laziness. You don't have to count calories, I've never dieted a day in my life. I eat what I want, but I do it in moderation. I also have never set foot in a gym, but I love to go on walks in my free time. I take the stairs when it's an option instead of the elevator. I raised my two younger sisters because my mom was a alcoholic, plus put myself through school to get a good job. It can be done, people just need to stop being lazy is the problem. There is NO good excuse to be fat, aside from a damn medical condition, and I think you know that.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Are you suggesting that we should force people to transition before puberty, so that you don't have to look at someone who is presenting as the opposite sex as they went through puberty as?

That aside, I suspect that you have mis-attributed the cause of your mental problems.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

It's true they can't pass unless they do it before puberty. But ok would you be ok with outlawing it after puberty?

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

It's true they can't pass unless they do it before puberty.

It depends a bit as to why you're transexual. The photo on the original article of Aaron Kimberly looks fine at first glance, and he transitioned at 33. But he looked like a very butch woman.

But ok would you be ok with outlawing it after puberty?

Nope. That would be far beyond what would be an acceptable control of peoples lives by the state.

And for people like Aaron Kimberly, seeing him before he transitioned would melt your little snowflake more than after.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Let's just keep it simple then and outlaw it for all age groups.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Simpler still: don't legislate about medical decisions.

There's already malpractice civil suits for when the doctors are shit.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

That'd complicate things. Sure one can sue a dr for malpractice. Then you have to worry about court costs and corrupt judges. But the teens who got surgeries already ruined their bodies, money will help but it'd be better to have outlawed the unnecessary surgery in the first place.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That is the kind of dismissive argument made by propagandists to appeal to emotion. I don't know if that is your intention or if you just fell for it, but let me explain the flaws.

The entire academic, scientific, and medical systems are corrupted by what is top down enforced ideology. In that corrupt environment you can never accurately guage the reality of subjective outcomes. Every authority figure, every journal, down to search engines is actively suppressing detransitioners and their stories. There is zero opportunity to do any research because the information is all manipulated.

Second, it is the metric to ask how they feel right after, or in 5,10, 15 years? Is the metric to measure how they feel while being influenced by all the corrupt psychologists, doctors, and influencers constantly hammering them with propaganda?

If you ask a child who has been sexually groomed and raped if they enjoyed it they will say yes. It is not until they grow up and understand what happened that it destroys them. Everyone involved with transgenderism is grooming impressionable, undeveloped children into thinking this is what they want. The mental breakdown happens when they grow up and it is too late to take any of it back. Then they feel emense shame and pressure to keep lying because they have invested so much into the lie.

The only true way to measure what the actual effects on mental health is by suicide rates because those are the hardest to manipulate. And the only valid comparison is suicide rates for traditional gender dysphoria treatment, which is non affirming therapy and natural puberty, vs affirming care and surgery. Traditional therapy has a 90% cure rate, resulting in the reduction of suicide to normal levels. Gender affirming care has negligent reduction in suicide rates.

But your argument does not address that at all. It is intended simply to imply that gender affirming care has benefits. You use that argument because it is harder for people to argue against to. It is obvious to everyone except the mentally ill and children how absurd transgender intervention is. But it is not obvious how much harm there is to their psychology. It is not obvious that there is a cure in traditional therapy that is being taken away by Trans pushing propagandists.

And the question of whether the propaganda is true is relevant because that is the promise that is used to groom vulnerable children into agreeing to go along with their own mutilation. We need to dismantle the propaganda to give those children some small reality check so if they are on the fence they have some chance to save themselves.

[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's "propaganda" to ask whether the procedure has been shown to be effective for any given person? I feel like you might need to look up the word "propaganda."

Yes, of course there are multiple metrics that are relevant. Yes, of course immediate, medium, and long-term effects are all important.

No, "suicide rates" are not the only relevant metric. For example, hypothetically, ten years of improvement followed by an abrupt suicide is not an objectively better outcome than twenty years of misery followed by a natural death.

Doctors need to treat patients, not statistics. What works for one patient may not work for another. If we ran our whole medical system by withholding all autonomy from doctors and forcing them to follow rigid laws based on how politicians interpret statistics, it would undoubtedly cause nothing but widespread misery.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's "propaganda" to ask whether the procedure has been shown to be effective for any given person? I feel like you might need to look up the word "propaganda."

It is propaganda to reframe the question that way. I already explained why reframing it that way is illogical, and why it is done. The intention is to control people's opinions by confusing them, that makes it propaganda.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, "suicide rates" are not the only relevant metric.

It is when everyone in any position of power is lying at every opportunity. When the truth is censored. When everything that can be corrupted is corrupted.

[–]bife_de_lomo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's not the only thing that matters.

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

...elaborate?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We do not succumb to the whim of every person with mental health disorders in order to temporarily satisfy an assumed desire. The fact that there is a mental health problem indicates precisely why extreme surgery should not be conducted on a young person. There is no telling what the long term affects are of a procedure like this when they are often too young to understand the consequences.

[–]thomastheglassexpert[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The comment I made to this article on their website was that this idea of a young girl undergoing a mastectomy to remove her boobs is exact like a boy who demands his dick cut off will make him into a girl and is that so? Is it just boobs that makes a girl? Why no not at all. Is a dick all it takes to make a boy or man? Why no it is an indication of the male gender not the dominating feature. Just one of them. I ended my comment stating that ANY doctor who performs this ghastly mutilation needs to have his/her medical license revoked for life and sentenced to a long stretch in prison. Punishment for parents? Is this not the very definition of child abuse?

[–]clownworlddropout 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Gender ideology definitely is homophobic, and heterophobic too. It denies the role of sex in sexual attraction, pretending all our social interactions are based on a veneer of costume and playacting. It's disgusting and reductive.

[–]thomastheglassexpert[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Some fancy university words from you but well received.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Does mastectomy after breast cancer make a woman less of a woman?

[–]thomastheglassexpert[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A reply I would like is boobs is just an indicator as there are grand many types and sizes of boobs. But for girls to think by cutting them off and actually finding a quack who would do that = a real serious felony is what that needs.

[–]DETTYLOVESGRAVY 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I met a girl in california(early 30's) she told me that she had sex the first time when she was five years old.

there are many females that have been sexxed up when they were young and so they grow up to resent men and the obvious solution is to chop off the breasts to punish those men.

[–]detty 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The word is "raped", Ed. She was raped.

[–]DETTYLOVESGRAVY 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The word is "raped", Ed. She was raped.

i heard her words that she spoke to me, she said that she had sex when she was five years old.

she was a hot as fk barbie doll, but crazier than a bag of screws.

she liked to pull up her dress and flash random people walking down the street.

[–]SaltyTexan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You can not change your biology no matter how hard you try or how much you want to. You can only ever change how you view yourself, not how others perceive you. The sooner that group realizes that, the better off everyone will be. I happen to agree with a lot of LGB people that the new trans movement is in fact very homophobic. It's almost like they have been telling people it's better to be trans than it is to be gay.

[–]Saiditaccount1 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If I take a boeing 747 and I rip the wings off does that make it a boat?

If I take a doe and glue antlers onto her head, is it legal to shoot it now?

If I take a dead carcass and put animatronics into it like edgar the bug, is it alive?