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[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's "propaganda" to ask whether the procedure has been shown to be effective for any given person? I feel like you might need to look up the word "propaganda."

Yes, of course there are multiple metrics that are relevant. Yes, of course immediate, medium, and long-term effects are all important.

No, "suicide rates" are not the only relevant metric. For example, hypothetically, ten years of improvement followed by an abrupt suicide is not an objectively better outcome than twenty years of misery followed by a natural death.

Doctors need to treat patients, not statistics. What works for one patient may not work for another. If we ran our whole medical system by withholding all autonomy from doctors and forcing them to follow rigid laws based on how politicians interpret statistics, it would undoubtedly cause nothing but widespread misery.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's "propaganda" to ask whether the procedure has been shown to be effective for any given person? I feel like you might need to look up the word "propaganda."

It is propaganda to reframe the question that way. I already explained why reframing it that way is illogical, and why it is done. The intention is to control people's opinions by confusing them, that makes it propaganda.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, "suicide rates" are not the only relevant metric.

It is when everyone in any position of power is lying at every opportunity. When the truth is censored. When everything that can be corrupted is corrupted.