The Stats on Covid-vaccine Injury and Death Don’t Add Up

Horrux · 2021-03-06T19:55:46+00:00

I'm sure that, like every other cause of death, many deaths from the vaccine will be attributed to COVID itself, along with a fake reasoning of "if only they could have gotten the shot earlier"...

madcow-5 · 2021-03-05T20:19:04+00:00

I gave out a buck this morning for the first time in forever. I've never been approached in the town I live in now, the guy was begging hard and mentioning the cold, so I gave him a buck.

When I lived in a bigger city where you're asked for money multiple times a day, I never gave out money. It's also easier to just keep walking in a busy city and not acknowledge them, as opposed to this morning at a gas station with no one else around the guy's sort of following and walking up to me in the parking lot. At that point, half of it's less sympathy and more giving a buck to end this interaction.

jet199 · 2021-03-05T07:54:17+00:00

Well food banks are usually evangelical Christian recruiting centres.

Bigs · 2021-03-05T04:12:25+00:00

If a woman actually lost custody of her kids to the father in the Western world then she's a truly terrible mother, because the courts are so heavily biased against men that only the worst of the worst mothers ever lose custody. So aim your grievance at her.

Regarding masks, sure they're a joke and just for show and social custom, doing jack shit to protect anyone from a virus. Her willingness to flout social custom and rules is likely just another symptom of all-round bad behavior, even if we can agree the rule is a stupid one. Far too many women take the view "Rules don't apply to me, because I have a vagina".

That they are often correct in the Western world today is a major part of why the Western world is so cucked and fucked now.

RIP.

Bigs · 2021-03-05T04:07:44+00:00

You didn't read the article? This is about contact time with estranged parents.

socks · 2021-03-05T03:17:18+00:00

Well - I do feel sorry for the kid wearing a mask outside, especially while on his own. Indeed there are obvious overreactions (and underreactions). It seems odd to me, however, that the management of the pandemic (even for those who don't see it as such) in the US has been so bad (and badly managed in the UK, Spain, Italy &c). Is it all a PSYOP? If it is, they (GovCorp?) really suck at it. The only official PSYOPs I know about are verified military PSYOPs. I often worry about the spread of disinforamtion by propaganda news corporations such as Sinclair, which I would argue is definitely a PSYOP (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvtNyOzGogc), and it's worked.

Earendil · 2021-03-05T02:37:50+00:00

Socks, there is no psychobabble in what that canned bot is saying there. I saw a kid playing outside, alone, climbing a tree, all the while wearing a mask. This is the new normal. I remember the very first week every major company had commercials talking about the new normal. Don't ever try to obfuscate this one issue. They are forcing healthy people to wear masks, and children are being raised by the left/right rabble to think and expect that this is right and proper.

I understand that some people want to wear masks to try and protect themselves, and I understand a sick person wearing a mask if they ever need to go in public (if they so desire), but I will never ever in a million years understand your (and the GovCorps) incessant need to try and force healthy people into wearing a mask (or two!). Edit: it is obviously a psychological operation at this point.

socks · 2021-03-04T23:14:50+00:00

Just for the record not a single child with asthma has been killed by covid.

You don't know this. The ongoing studies indicate that asthma patients suffer more from COVID19. Data about the causes of death is still in development. It's strange that you can make your comment with such confidence when you could not possibly have the evidence to support it.

This is about enforcing compliance. It's a control technique. Forcing people to do things that are obviously unnecessary is a way to break their spirit and make them more obedient.

Again - there is no reliable evidence for this. It's a kind of psychobabble.

bjam27 · 2021-03-04T23:06:13+00:00

Idiotic comment. Just temporarily removing children from their parents life, something that is irreplaceable.

bjam27 · 2021-03-04T23:02:14+00:00

Look up the statistics, Americans are the only people dumb enough to donate to charity, Europeans gave that shit up centuries ago.

Canbot · 2021-03-04T22:42:00+00:00

Just for the record not a single child with asthma has been killed by covid.

This is about enforcing compliance. It's a control technique. Forcing people to do things that are obviously unnecessary is a way to break their spirit and make them more obedient.

Popper · 2021-03-04T17:17:01+00:00

fair enuff you can waste your money if you want

jamesK_3rd · 2021-03-04T16:24:06+00:00

I still give them money. If you're living in the street, by choice or not, sometimes you want a beer.

RightousBob · 2021-03-04T15:35:57+00:00

Saidit is frontier land compared to the state controlled social platforms of twatter and faceslap and that is why you are here, to sway opinion and to try to mold this site into what the others have become, echo chambers of controlled groupthink. I'm sure saidit is not your only haunt just like I'm certain that this is not your only account. You are a weak sauce shill, consult your flow charts lackey.

RightousBob · 2021-03-04T15:20:09+00:00

My grievance is with the state not the parents.

Popper · 2021-03-04T14:56:13+00:00

yeah that's kind of like how if a homeless person is out begging don't give them money, now if you want to be kind and help them out give them some food, they will often refuse it tho since no one really goes hungry in america, food is cheap, plenty of programs, but they want money for drugs and alcohol.

Bigs · 2021-03-04T14:26:46+00:00

Virtually ALL divorces (and less formal splits among parents) are instigated by the woman, not least because they know damn well that most of the time they will get the kids, the house, the allthemoney and the "child" support.

This RARE FUCKING OCCASION that a woman pulls a family apart and SHE loses custody or contact, now it's a tragedy? Now it's so sad to see? Now it's "destruction of the family"?

Your passion is great, but try aiming it where it's deserved.

socks · 2021-03-04T14:23:40+00:00

Bob - what would motivate anyone to be a 'shill' on Saidit, arguing with 10 people?

Regarding vaccines, masks, social distancing, COVID19, &c, I hope you appreciate that 99% of the planet appreciates that these are important. It's not just my opinion. And - most importantly - I do not have to come to Saidit to discuss them. Reasonable information about them is ubiquitous. I know one anti-vax person, a cousin, whom I like but will never convince regarding vaccines or medical history. The evidence she kindly sends me is entirely developed with disinformaiton and misinformation. Think about the of the sources used by anti-vaxers and those used by the 99% of the world. The latter is science, for former isn't. Now think about the unhinged, angry post you've sent me, and the many others. Remove me from this conversation and you will still be angry with 99% of the world regarding vaccines. Is that necessary? Do you have information that they don't? No, you don't. And you don't have to take out your anger on strangers at Saidit. There are much deeper issues here that you will want to consider, but you don't have to listen to me regarding them. Best wishes.

Akali · 2021-03-04T14:19:35+00:00

When you give money, it never reach destination.

The only foundations which aren't scams are the foodbanks because you aren't giving money.

Popper · 2021-03-04T14:14:22+00:00

I'm against masks but I'd support them for kids if they were able to keep them from talking

Popper · 2021-03-04T14:13:13+00:00

never donate to charities. don't donate to politicians either, like how Trump the supposed billionaire is begging for small donations from the middle class.

RightousBob · 2021-03-04T14:04:05+00:00

I truly hope that you are nothing more than the sponsored partisan/pharma shill that you've exposed yourself to be. Because if you happen to be a parent yourself ( which I doubt you are, given how repulsive and unattractive you are ) you are truly a horrible human being for this comment and all you do to support the destruction of families under the guise of health and safety. This case is proof positive that COVID is nothing more than an excuse for increased tyranny and state sponsored oppression. Masks are virtue signaling and nothing more, (and you know it) and Covid is NOT a mortal threat to 99.9% of the population (and that is plain to see in state reported statistics). Yet here you are cheering the destruction of a family at the hands of the state. You are the worst kind of scum! If you are, or ever become a parent, I hope your child grows up to read your vile and uneducated views and promptly disowns your ass. You are a soulless coward, and I am disgusted to share the same planet with you.

Airbus320 · 2021-03-04T10:02:52+00:00

I am proud for not wearing it when I am in public transport and in shops. Kids don't run away when you don't look like a creepy clown

socks · 2021-03-04T09:05:02+00:00

Moreover - this appears to be only about one incredibly selfish person, who is such a selfish asshole that she had difficulty wearing masks in order to avoid this court case, which is meant to protect her son, who has asthma (and thus getting COVID19 could kill him): "she finally signed an agreement to get limited time with her 14-year old son who has asthma but still must wear a mask during visits."

jet199 · 2021-03-04T08:47:22+00:00

This is how charities are.

socks · 2021-03-04T08:41:01+00:00

And sexist - as is typical of former Fox critic, Roger Friedman, and his Showbiz411 rag. Anyone on Saidit concerned with who controls Hollywood and and the news media might want to think about why Roger located this groups Form 990, in order to write this article.

Moreover, he's not linked to the Foundations Form 990, a PDF of which is here (cached):

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjsudbKnJbvAhVRPcAKHbbPDRYQFjACegQIAxAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Ftimesupfoundation.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2020%2F12%2F2019-990-TIMES-UP-Foundation.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0fxpqUIUGNPz7C38yqZ-Of

As with many foundations, operating costs are often 75% of the budget, if not more. Friedman could be outraged by all foundatations that do this, but chose instead Times Up.

The salaries are impressive but not unusual in that 990 form, especially for fund-raising professionals living in LA. That's the market, and it's not the significant portion of the budget Friedman suggests it is. They also do a lot of advertising and promotion, which is a major part of the budget.

Perhaps someone else can look at that PDF (or search: times up form 990) and offer insights about it.

SubliminalCriminal · 2021-03-04T07:41:10+00:00

This is some racist bullshit.

Bigs · 2021-03-04T07:22:14+00:00

Nah, that comment was before mine, just saying "put the dammed brats into cages where they belong."

SaidOverRed · 2021-03-04T07:16:40+00:00

Oof truth hurts.

I see "2 comments" before replying. If one of the terfs (I unfortunately had to block) found your statement offensive, please let me know so I can at least lol as clownworld eats itself.

SaidOverRed · 2021-03-04T07:12:27+00:00

Just like they planned. But let's not fight over the crumbs because that's 19k more than hollywood's favorite men's (straight / white) charity.

Bigs · 2021-03-04T06:29:53+00:00

There's no "ripping away", just temporarily stopping shared contact - something men have had to fight for, for decades and at huge expense, just to have taken away for the flimsiest of "reasons".

But now it's problem, when it happens to women?

Cry me a river?

SubliminalCriminal · 2021-03-04T05:16:23+00:00

put the dammed brats into cages where they belong.

Node · 2021-03-01T01:48:30+00:00

Why did you remove the screen from your chimney?

Tom_Bombadil · 2021-02-28T14:51:08+00:00

Republicans could promote stimulus like Democrats promote masks.

1 mask isn't enough... 4 mask is better!

$10,000 stimulus isn't enough... $40,000! Is better!

Hyper inflation is happening; regardless.

It's coming, and the party is almost over. Give the middle class the last dance.

We got to rip that bandaid off. Might as well do it on our schedule, instead of the banks.

jet199 · 2021-02-25T21:48:34+00:00

That's the power of prayer.

(Repeat x 100)

bjam27 · 2021-02-25T19:51:21+00:00

Laws don't apply to left wing celebs.

Touchngo · 2021-02-25T17:35:40+00:00

Do you realize that his BAC was only .02? Not even close to legally drunk. I'm not defending him, just pointing that pesky fact out that most people are not aware of.

JasonCarswell · 2021-02-22T09:40:26+00:00

I'd say obviously not. You've linked to his user page with only 2 comments and a post.

socks · 2021-02-22T08:07:51+00:00

Was this one of /u/diogenesjunior's last comments?

baskon3 · 2021-02-21T10:59:34+00:00

The head of Telebiz, Behzad Bawa, is a Pakistani national, who apparently leads the team of spammers; they use a wide variety of fake names that usually sound “American” like “Bob Marlin” or “Mike Jones” that sound obviously fake to many receiving the emails. (In one example, an email was sent by a Gmail account mahindrosingdhoni81882@gmail.com but the FROM name was overwritten with the alias “Mike Jones”.)

The emails, which are very carefully crafted to avoid mentioning any “real” names or companies, seem to always come from @gmail.com accounts; the senders “test” initial interest by sending generic sales inquiries that offer a variety of phone services including voicemail, and if legitimate interest is shown by a target, the company (at least in the author’s experience) will soon receive a phone call from an American woman named “Kelly” who is following up on the sales conversation; in this author’s experience, “Kelly” wasn’t aware that the emails I had received were from “ConnexaPhone” and instead told me she was calling me back from “Dial Answer Connect*” instead. Other victims of this scam, revealed by CyberWyoming, have been told the company contacting them is either “InnaCall”, “Amiasa Telecom”, or “ConnexaWay”. (In fact, the only way we made the connection to Telebiz is because an attentive business owner in Wyoming was able to get one of the spammers to admit the connection.)

Earendil · 2021-02-20T14:07:33+00:00

I do not mean that these people are force-users. Sweet Xihaon.

Xihaon · 2021-02-20T07:05:24+00:00

There are people who work with things. There are people who work with the source of things. But unless they establish a link between the mind and the flow of force, they aren't force users. Therefore, not Sith.

bjam27 · 2021-02-20T04:34:11+00:00

Idiotic

thoughtcriminal · 2021-02-20T02:23:19+00:00

1 and 2 are pretty poor arguments imo.

*invents lightbulb* Did you know we've never used electricity to provide light before?

*invents digital camera* Did you know it usually takes complicated equipment, specialized chemicals, and hours of professional work to develop a photo?

3 and 4 are fair arguments. 5 just depends on how much you already trust vaccines and whether or not you have a co-morbidity. The original death rate was actually higher, but we've gotten much better at conventional treatment as we've learned more about the virus.

Earendil · 2021-02-20T00:21:32+00:00

Sith exist, they just don't call themselves Sith. I think they simply call themselves "president", "rabbi", "CEO" and other such terms.

Earendil · 2021-02-20T00:18:58+00:00

I agree.

BulbusBeanQueen · 2021-02-19T22:37:30+00:00

OK but i still need 50k to get the gorilla glue out of my ass hairs

jet199 · 2021-02-19T22:18:32+00:00

Evidence A

https://twitter.com/infidollity/status/1362796625735819264?s=19

Xihaon · 2021-02-19T22:10:44+00:00

Indeed. I also know that Sith don't exist.

There are times when masks are useful, there are times when they are harmful. People should be allowed to act based on their situation. A world where everyone is expected to participate in blindly punishing pro or anti maskers, because a licensed fool from a far away place has told them to, wouldn't be a nice place to live.

Earendil · 2021-02-19T21:25:07+00:00

Oh, Star Wars philosophy huh?

You know you just said an absolute, right?

madcow-5 · 2021-02-19T21:23:25+00:00

Everyone I know with elderly parents says their parents want to be able to live their lives.

It's 20-40 year old Karens and basic BLM white chicks (aka young Karens) driving all this.

Xihaon · 2021-02-19T20:48:26+00:00

Are you a pro-masker or not

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

Earendil · 2021-02-19T20:22:40+00:00

Are you a pro-masker or not? You are being so confusing, Xihaon.

jet199 · 2021-02-19T20:22:09+00:00

Literally just this week a transwoman pretended to be missing and did a fundraiser to find themself.

http://imgur.com/a/lNgtReQ

Xihaon · 2021-02-19T18:58:56+00:00

If you know someone who is planning on getting vaccinated against Covid19, ask them these five questions.

The granny loves your, yet you refuse to wear a mask and receive injections? Which radicalizator has touched you?

What. Are. You. On. About.

Your arguments won't persuade vaxxers.

Earendil · 2021-02-19T17:54:34+00:00

Dude. What are you on about. My grandmother loves me and I love her, and we both want liberty over safety. We don't want to impose our beliefs on anyone, unlike the pandemic supporters, who wish to taze and lock us up for the sake of "granny" EVEN THOUGH MY GRANNY IS ON MY SIDE.

What. Are. You. On. About.

Xihaon · 2021-02-19T17:49:19+00:00

Don't you mean new grannies?

No.

If you asked that question sarcastically, then put an /s there.

No.

If not, then what the fuck are you on about.

In a dispute about vaccination, lockdowns and masks, otherwise reasonable people use the granny as an argument. Your counterargument gets dismissed. Because it can't prove love. Probably.

Liberty over safety? When have we ever tried that?

The paradox of tolerance? If you don't implement a form of fascism with a fancy progressive name, the enemy will implement fascism with its old scary name. The horror!

Earendil · 2021-02-19T17:25:10+00:00

"You need better answers. Or new friends."

Don't you mean new grannies? I am against the masks, dude. If you asked that question sarcastically, then put an /s there. If not, then what the fuck are you on about. "I've seen your answer tried before." What answer? Liberty over safety? When have we ever tried that?

Xihaon · 2021-02-19T17:21:17+00:00

This question is used to justify masks, vaccinations and lockdowns. I've seen your answer tried before, it didn't work. You would need a better answer. Or new friends.

Earendil · 2021-02-19T15:47:17+00:00

My grannies want you guys to shut the fuck up and let us live our lives. They are tougher than you are, apparently.

Xihaon · 2021-02-19T12:39:59+00:00

Why do you hate the granny?

dissidentrhetoric · 2021-02-19T10:50:36+00:00

They allow fake BLM to raise money but they question her...

HugodeCrevellier · 2021-02-19T09:31:56+00:00

You know you live in an idiocracy when you can get funded for being a moron.

jet199 · 2021-02-19T08:58:17+00:00

How is this different to 90% of go fund mes?

hennaojichan · 2021-02-19T08:08:30+00:00

If it has Foundation in its title, you know it is corrupt.

specialsauces · 2021-02-19T07:08:36+00:00

I COPIED THE WEBPAGE TO HERE:

Many of us have friends or family who plan on getting the vaccine. Maybe they truly believe they are in danger. Maybe they think it’s better safe than sorry. Maybe they just want to be able to go to the pub again.

If you know someone who is planning on getting vaccinated against Covid19, ask them these five questions. Make sure they understand exactly what they’re asking for.

1) Did you know that we have NEVER successfully vaccinated against ANY coronavirus?

No successful vaccine against a coronavirus has ever been developed.

Scientists have been trying to develop a SARS and MERS vaccine for years, with nothing to show for it. In fact, some of the failed SARS vaccines actually caused hypersensitivity to the SARS virus. Meaning that vaccinated mice could potentially get the disease more severely than unvaccinated mice.

2) Did you know it usually takes 5-10 years to fully develop a vaccine?

Vaccine development is a slow, laborious process. Usually, from development through testing and finally being approved for public use takes many years. The various vaccines for Covid have all been developed and approved in less than a year.

While the media are quick to offer a TON of “explainer” guides, which cite “foresight, hard work and luck” as the reasons we got a Covid vaccine so quickly “without cutting corners”, they all leave out key information.

Namely, that none of the vaccines have yet been subject to proper trials. Many of them skipped early-stage trials entirely, and the late stage human trials have either not been peer reviewed, have not released their data, will not finish until 2023 or were abandoned after “severe adverse effects”.

3) Did you know that the Covid “vaccine” is based on new technology, which has never been approved for use on humans before?

While traditional vaccines work by exposing the body to a weakened strain of the microorganism responsible for causing the disease, these new Covid vaccines are mRNA vaccines.

mRNA (messenger ribonucleic acid) vaccines theoretically work by injecting viral mRNA into the body, where it replicates inside your cells and encourages your body to recognise, and make antigens for, the “spike proteins” of the virus. They have been the subject of research since the 1990s, but before 2020 no mRNA vaccine was ever approved for use.

4) Did you know that the pharmaceutical companies can’t be sued if the vaccine hurts or kills someone?

Back in the Spring of 2020 many governments around the world granted vaccine manufacturers immunity to civil liability, either by invoking existing legislation or writing new laws.

The USA’s Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act (PREP) grants immunity until at least 2024.

The EU’s product licensing law does the same, and there are reports of confidential liability clauses in the contracts the EU signed with vaccine manufacturers.

The UK went even further, granting permanent legal indemnity to the government, and any employees thereof, for any harm done when a patient is being treated for Covid19 or “suspected Covid19”.

5) Did you know 99.8% of people survive Covid19?

The case-fatality ratio of Sars-Cov-2 infection has been a bone of contention for months, but it is certainly much lower than all the initial models predicted.

It was originally massively inflated, with the WHO using a figure of 3.4%.

Subsequent studies have found it to be much lower, in some cases even lower than 0.1%. A report published in October in the WHO’s own research bulletin finding a CFR of 0.23% “or possibly considerably lower”.

Meaning, even according to the WHO, at least 99.77% of people infected with the virus will survive.

*

Ask your friends these questions. Give them detailed answers.

It is a rushed and untested vaccine, made using unprecedented technology, with no legal recourse should it do you harm, to treat a virus 99.8% of people will survive.

So the question that really matters is: Do you really want, or need, to take that risk?

spinell · 2021-02-19T06:35:48+00:00

So now she has paps following her around and a t shirt line with art of her face on it?

carn0ld03 · 2021-02-19T05:25:56+00:00

It's not just laundering, but funneling as well. It's like the scenes in "Breaking Bad" where Saul launders and funnels Walt's ill gotten gains to his family through hundreds of other people "donating" to Walt's son's crowdfunding account. Organized crime families can just pay forgettable dullards like Ms. Brown to be low risk short term bagmen. If done smartly, none of those morons ever know enough about their operation to be a threat and if they demand more you quietly move on down your list of dumb dumbs while cutting that one off.

specialsauces · 2021-02-19T05:05:21+00:00

tumbling bitcoins is a new form of laundering money.. when you have "stolen" bitcoins, for example, you can move them into a tumbler where they are intermingled with other bitcoins and then they are moved to another address transferring odd amounts to camoflauge the source of the coins.

Tarrock · 2021-02-19T03:39:12+00:00

I always hated those sitcoms and cartoons that did the "2 charters stuck permanently together with glue" episode for that exact same reason.

ReeferMadness · 2021-02-19T01:40:23+00:00

No glue will permanently stick to your skin because your skin sheds. She had to go to the hospital because it was stuck to her hair, and her hair was stuck to her head.

specialsauces · 2021-02-19T01:11:02+00:00

have you ever used gorilla glue? i have. i have used it several times..

if she were to put gorilla glue in her hair, the only way to remove it would also remove her scalp or at least a large portion of it..

she would be hospital bound for a while, i think..

i could be wrong, but i dont think so, that gorilla glue aint no joke.

oooooooooooooooooooo · 2021-02-19T00:47:54+00:00

instead of using gofundme or other similar site, why not just give out a bitcoin address?

like seriously, fuck gofundme.

whistlepig · 2021-02-19T00:44:10+00:00

I don't know about that.... The money you need to clean is typically cash. If you can transfer it through the credit card system or normal banking methods then wouldn't it already be considered "clean"?

carn0ld03 · 2021-02-18T22:59:00+00:00

A lot of money could be laundered through gofundme.

ReeferMadness · 2021-02-18T22:00:04+00:00

You know, I wouldn't call it a stunt if she is just trying to profit from the situation. But that shit tier story was blasted everywhere. If she and some friends are responsible for spamming that shit everywhere then that is absolutley fraud.

magnora7 · 2021-02-09T21:49:48+00:00

I can understand that. It's not worth setting yourself on fire to keep others warm.

I just think a lot of the people who have bought in to this ideology just simply don't realize the long-term consequences, so I consider them victims in a way, but you're right you can't keep throwing pearls before swine and expect good results so it's good to spend your energy where it's actually useful.

bobbobbybob · 2021-02-09T21:43:03+00:00

I used to be liberal. I then noticed that thoughtless altruism was a long term negative. It is harmful to self to care about people who are actively working to harm you.

Therefore, I no longer care about those who have worked through the marxist indoctrination in universities. I care about people 'in general', so will put energy into derailing that marxist agenda, but the people who support it? They have made their bed.

It is not vindicitive. I just chose to love those who work towards a world that I prefer, and ignore those who do not.

Let them starve. Let them see the long term result of the choices they have made. Let their fellow marxists help them out.

As jesus said, if you have a spare cloak, share it. I don't have spares, because people like them have destroyed the abundant, safe and loving world.

If there is a war, it is because they have been actively pursuing it for decades with their endless hate of all others. As the Buddhists said about islam "one cannot lie down with a rabid dog"

magnora7 · 2021-02-09T20:51:17+00:00

I don't think such a feeling really is working to improve society, but rather is out of vindictiveness.

Compounding layers of vindictiveness is how wars are fomented.

proc0 · 2021-02-09T15:28:52+00:00

Of course not, but I really doubt anything will happpen. There were some interest freeze last year, that helped me catch up.

bobbobbybob · 2021-02-09T05:57:02+00:00

in my other comment, I note that most of those in crippling debt are liberal arts students, as they can't get jobs, and I no longer care about them, as their education is poison resulting in toxic mobs of hate spewing leftists. Let them starve

C3P0 · 2021-02-09T03:06:23+00:00

Since I paid all my debts like a responsible citizen, is the bailout going to give me some of that money back.

hennaojichan · 2021-02-09T02:41:37+00:00

The order of comments got scrambled so he is not talking to me. I'm no socialist. Toot sweet.

proc0 · 2021-02-09T01:01:06+00:00

The Federal Reserve can simply create more money.

Ok but do you understand the repercusions of that? Money is literally work someone did at some point and now it's in "symbolic" form. Without someone putting in the work, it's a piece of paper or just a number on a computer. When money is printed, what it's doing is devaluing the currency because no one made a product or a service for that money that is now circulating. The currency decreases value, and everything goes up in price. So in the end everyone is paying for it through inflation.

But if instead some of the money went to the people instead of just billionare-owned corporations, then it would be mostly spent anyway

We're talking about forgiving debt, which isn't money in someone's pocket. UBI or w/e is a different topic, and I may have different views there.

If large companies can't keep up, and repeatedly go bankrupt, they should fail.

Yeah we can agree to this, maybe also we could start by removing government guarantee of student loans would be a good first step. Notice how many kinds of businsesses fail over and over again, like game companies, restaurants, etc., except for public schools, they can't fail YET they operate like a business becauses students are a large part of their funding. Zero repercutions and guaranteed money is a really bad combination. Whether or not we forgive student debt is not as important as fixing public schools moving forward.

magnora7 · 2021-02-08T23:34:19+00:00

Yeah, I just mean the taxpayers would pay, otherwise I guess some large institutions would have to fail.

Neither of those needs to happen. The Federal Reserve can simply create more money. Like the trillions they created in 2020 out of thin air to bail out the corporations (which then creates inflation, which diminishes the value of everyone's money). But if instead some of the money went to the people instead of just billionare-owned corporations, then it would be mostly spent anyway toward those same companies when the people buy things, and would incentivize better business-driven behavior by the companies as well. So everyone would benefit.

If large companies can't keep up, and repeatedly go bankrupt, they should fail. To keep bailing them out has created this house of cards that is becoming increasingly fragile, and a huge pool of money that only exists at the top tiers of the economy, separating the upper and lower classes even more than ever before.

proc0 · 2021-02-08T21:07:55+00:00

Yeah, I just mean the taxpayers would pay, otherwise I guess some large institutions would have to fail. I don't know about the technical terms but cancelation sounds to me like either returning a product or in the absence of it the loss is on the lenders, not the taxpayers. Therefore at least universities should be completely re-structured if such a price is to have any value in the future.

magnora7 · 2021-02-08T21:07:15+00:00

I agree with that, the inflation of college costs is insane. But at the same time it just reflects the supply-demand of the student loans being given out. If they'll give out $100k loans to go to college, then suddenly college is $100k.

I think the best thing to do long-term would be to shut down the predatory student loan industry, that would naturally result in the cost of college going down.

magnora7 · 2021-02-08T21:05:26+00:00

Rich white people don't have student debt, they paid in cash.

It would help a lot of middle-class people of all colors though

bjam27 · 2021-02-08T19:32:31+00:00

Canceling student loan debt is the single best thing that could happen to rich white people.

madcow-5 · 2021-02-08T18:51:10+00:00

I think the right course of action is to crack down on colleges that charge exorbitant prices, especially if they have any ties whatsoever to companies giving the loans, and stop subsidizing the loans.

This forces the system to change, without giving a massive f you to people who did the right thing and paid their way.

magnora7 · 2021-02-08T18:35:45+00:00

I'd be in the same position, but I still think it's a good thing to help people out of debt slavery if we want to improve society and reduce the power of billionaires. Many were tricked in to going to college that ended up not helping their job opportunities at all and now they are trapped. Maybe 1/2 forgiveness would be a good compromise.

madcow-5 · 2021-02-08T17:34:21+00:00

But what about the people who paid for it?

My parents sank over $100k into my college, the expectation being that you pay for your kids to go to college. Do they get that back if my schoolmates don’t have to pay their loans?

Comatoast · 2021-02-08T16:46:36+00:00

I don't get why more people don't go to community college for this reason. Tuition and fees are financial slaughter on those universities. I humbly ask people to look at the cost of tuition for those shitty online schools that are advertised everywhere too. It's blasphemous what they expect.

magnora7 · 2021-02-08T16:38:29+00:00

This too, but I still think it's reasonable to help out those who were scammed previously

magnora7 · 2021-02-08T16:37:33+00:00

Unless all the teachers, university staff, book makers, etc., all return their money they received by students who got their loans, there is no "cancelling" this debt.

I mean that's how all debt cancellation works. The debt owed is eliminated but the things bought with it don't go anywhere

magnora7 · 2021-02-08T16:37:01+00:00

Yes, that's why getting them out of debt, and out of wage slavery, is the best way to disempower the billionaires

tootie · 2021-02-08T12:22:29+00:00

Killer argument. Like all mindless socialists you have nothing because your positions aren't based on logic, just emotion.

bobbobbybob · 2021-02-08T06:42:08+00:00

just remember, most of that student debt that is still unpaid belongs to liberal arts students.

Can't say I care.

bobbobbybob · 2021-02-08T06:41:33+00:00

if the students were out of debt, they wouldn't need wage slave themselves to the billionaires.

proc0 · 2021-02-08T06:32:56+00:00

Unless all the teachers, university staff, book makers, etc., all return their money they received by students who got their loans, there is no "cancelling" this debt. We could instead say "bailout", and bailout students, however it would only incentivize another wave of predatory loans and useless careers. Now if we say, let's bailout all students, and abolish all public University funding (privatize all higher ed.), then that makes sense to me.

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