Does a young girl who has her boobs removed make her into a boy?

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[–]Jiminy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (33 children)

What if it hurts our mental health to see disgusting caricatures

[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (32 children)

Well then you are quite the sensitive little snowflake.

[–]Jiminy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

Be that as it may. The mental health of the majority trumps the tiny minority

[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Personal freedom is also in the mix. Perhaps it harms your fragile mental health to see fat people in tight pants, but that doesn't necessarily mean there should be a law against fat people wearing tight pants.

[–]Jiminy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

At least tight pants can be removed, won't effect a child for life

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You just completely changed arguments, from "my own mental health can't handle seeing trans people walking down the street" to "gender reassignment affects a child for life."

Of course it affects a child for life. The question is whether the effect will be a positive, negative, or neutral effect on the child's mental health.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

There's two separate good arguments for outlawing that's all that means. When there are lots of good reasons for something but helps an argument.

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Oh, yeah, great arguments. One of them is that you're too much of a pussy to handle seeing trans people, and the other one is that gender reassignment affects people for life just like it's supposed to.

[–]SaltyTexan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What have you to say about all the people who were coerced into transitioning and later regret it? I don't have an issue with trans people, but I think that is a decision that should only be made by an adult and their healthcare provider. I don't think it should ever be an option for anyone under the age of 18.

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If someone was coerced into transitioning, that's terrible and the doctor should lose their license and be sued into oblivion. Coercing someone into surgery is unconscionable.

I don't think it should ever be an option for anyone under the age of 18.

I think different people are different.

There are people out there who start to question their gender in high school. They think "Well, I was into ponies and princesses when I was a little girl, but now I've met my friend Knox, and Knox is non-binary, and I think I identify with them more than I've ever identified with anyone, and now I'm thinking I'm non-binary too, and maybe I should get on testosterone or get top surgery."

This person should absolutely not be given any medical treatment before the age of 18. They should express themselves solely with fashion and just see if their brain sorts it all out. There's a very strong chance that any medical option would be something they'd regret and that would scar them for life.

But there are also people out there who never questioned their gender. There are people who were four years old when they started saying "I'm not a boy, I'm a girl," and six years old when they started saying "I don't WANT this weiner, it makes me feel like a boy and I HATE feeling like a boy." People whose parents were not even supportive, let alone coercive, but who were so horrified by their bodies that they honestly didn't care about that.

That's rarer than the first case, but it is out there. Severe lifelong gender dysphoria. And in that rare case, prepubescent intervention could very well be the only thing that can give the patient any chance of a happy life.

I think it's important that doctors decide on a case-by-case basis and that doctors have adequate oversight to ensure they're motivated solely by the well-being of the patient and not by either financial or ideological concerns.

I do not think that politicians should say "All people are basically the same, so here's the way doctors must universally practice medicine." These politicians have no idea what they're talking about. They have no medical training. They're basically saying "What's a few ruined lives to me if it nets me a few thousand votes?"

[–]SaltyTexan 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

There should in fact be a law against fat people wearing yoga pants. The irony in and of itself should be enough. But to see a 500 pound person in Yoga pants is in fact something I wish could be unseen.

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I know this is all, like, said in an amusing tone, but I just want to share an experience...

Back in 2013 or so, I went to Quizno's for a sandwich, and there was a woman standing in line who was obviously in the early stages of chemotherapy. Her hair was coming out in clumps like she had some horrible skin disease and her eyes were sunken and she looked fucking hideous. Like, my stomach actually churned a bit and I left the restaurant to wait for her to leave before I went in and ordered.

Still, as fucking gross as she was, I think it would be kinda awful if the police showed up and cuffed her and said "You're being charged with Too Ugly For Public."

[–]SaltyTexan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

But she doesn't have any control over cancer, you do however have control over not being 500 pounds, and you have a choice in what clothes you wear, not similar at all LOL

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I think that's a pretty teenaged way to look at the world. Stressful life circumstances plus a higher than usual appetite are going to lead to weight gain, where you simply don't have time to worry about whether you're aesthetically pleasing to other people - it's forty-eighth on your priority list.

Very few people with a job and a baby are going to try to jam "count calories and exercise an hour a day" into their lives. It's too much.

[–]SaltyTexan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

No that is a responsible way to look at the world. People can control what they put in their mouths. I being a black gay female has had some stresses in my life. I'm not overweight, yet it runs in my family. I eat healthy and I'm not lazy. You're making excuses for people's lack of self control and laziness. You don't have to count calories, I've never dieted a day in my life. I eat what I want, but I do it in moderation. I also have never set foot in a gym, but I love to go on walks in my free time. I take the stairs when it's an option instead of the elevator. I raised my two younger sisters because my mom was a alcoholic, plus put myself through school to get a good job. It can be done, people just need to stop being lazy is the problem. There is NO good excuse to be fat, aside from a damn medical condition, and I think you know that.

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

People can control lots of things. Anyone can abstain from porn and masturbation; anyone can work fourteen-hour days to maximize their earning potential; anyone can learn to play the guitar; anyone can learn a second and third language. Anyone can abstain from all dangerous activities; anyone can choose never to waste time on the Internet.

I'm guessing you don't do all those things, though. I'm guessing some of those things aren't your priorities, or that an aescetic life wouldn't feel like one worth living to you.

You might protest that you don't have the responsibility to do all those things, which would suggest that you think the only actual responsibility people have is to look pleasant to you when they're out in public.

...which is a pretty regressive way for a black gay female to look at the world ;)

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Are you suggesting that we should force people to transition before puberty, so that you don't have to look at someone who is presenting as the opposite sex as they went through puberty as?

That aside, I suspect that you have mis-attributed the cause of your mental problems.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

It's true they can't pass unless they do it before puberty. But ok would you be ok with outlawing it after puberty?

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

It's true they can't pass unless they do it before puberty.

It depends a bit as to why you're transexual. The photo on the original article of Aaron Kimberly looks fine at first glance, and he transitioned at 33. But he looked like a very butch woman.

But ok would you be ok with outlawing it after puberty?

Nope. That would be far beyond what would be an acceptable control of peoples lives by the state.

And for people like Aaron Kimberly, seeing him before he transitioned would melt your little snowflake more than after.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Let's just keep it simple then and outlaw it for all age groups.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Simpler still: don't legislate about medical decisions.

There's already malpractice civil suits for when the doctors are shit.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

That'd complicate things. Sure one can sue a dr for malpractice. Then you have to worry about court costs and corrupt judges. But the teens who got surgeries already ruined their bodies, money will help but it'd be better to have outlawed the unnecessary surgery in the first place.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The people who got surgeries are overwhelmingly satisfied with the results of you do long term follow up studies.

The surgery is much less unnecessary than all the other cosmetic surgery that goes on thousands of times more often.

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