Does a young girl who has her boobs removed make her into a boy?

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[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

It's true they can't pass unless they do it before puberty. But ok would you be ok with outlawing it after puberty?

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

It's true they can't pass unless they do it before puberty.

It depends a bit as to why you're transexual. The photo on the original article of Aaron Kimberly looks fine at first glance, and he transitioned at 33. But he looked like a very butch woman.

But ok would you be ok with outlawing it after puberty?

Nope. That would be far beyond what would be an acceptable control of peoples lives by the state.

And for people like Aaron Kimberly, seeing him before he transitioned would melt your little snowflake more than after.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Let's just keep it simple then and outlaw it for all age groups.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Simpler still: don't legislate about medical decisions.

There's already malpractice civil suits for when the doctors are shit.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

That'd complicate things. Sure one can sue a dr for malpractice. Then you have to worry about court costs and corrupt judges. But the teens who got surgeries already ruined their bodies, money will help but it'd be better to have outlawed the unnecessary surgery in the first place.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The people who got surgeries are overwhelmingly satisfied with the results of you do long term follow up studies.

The surgery is much less unnecessary than all the other cosmetic surgery that goes on thousands of times more often.

The Most Common Plastic Surgery Procedures for Teenagers

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

That's subjective, can't read their minds, they're likely afraid to speak out about their regret. That's a good point about cosmetic surgery. Depending on the risks involved that should be outlawed too. We see people dying sometimes from breast implant surgery, unnecessary. Most agree to outlaw that for children.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That's subjective, can't read their minds,

That's right. You have to ask them.

they're likely afraid to speak out about their regret.

Marking your regret and satisfaction on a 5 point scale doesn't make people afraid.

Depending on the risks involved that should be outlawed too.

The risks of regret are certainly much higher. We should start outlawing other cosmetic surgery first, and leave the ones like gender reassignment that have such overwhelmingly positive outcomes at least until after we've stopped doing the questionable ones.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ok glad we agree

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Cool. Pleased you've changed your position.