Slurs and Hipocrisy

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[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 39 insightful - 13 fun39 insightful - 12 fun40 insightful - 13 fun -  (1 child)

sjw language policing is how we become r/lgbt

I will use words like idiot since I am one and am reclaiming the slur

[–]BiHorror 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Okay? I'm not for language policing, but I'm for calling out hipocrisy. As I stated before, I don't care if people use slurs. But you shouldn't complain about one type of slurs and not the rest. I literally stated that I don't care if people use any slurs becuase it removes the power associated to it. You can't whine and complain about "queer" and other slurs when you're completely okay for other types.

I will use words like idiot since I am one and am reclaiming the slur

So you're apart of the disabilities community? Jw. You do also realize we police here too right? Even if it isn't "sjw policing" (how exactly is discussing ableism that? Idk but whatever you say, mate. Considering that SJWs DO use this slurs as well and such).

[–]HelloMomo 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I've written an essay on this here https://moessays.wordpress.com/2020/11/03/bullshit-words-queer/

In short, I don't believe that queer's origins as a slur is the true reason we dislike the word. I think the real reason we dislike the word is its modern usage.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee~=[,,_,,]=^_^= 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Some of us dislike the word queer because we remember a few decades back is was used just like faggot as a very negative slur against gay men. People got beat up and killed for being "queer"

Though its true that spoiled brats "reclaiming" it to give themselves victim points was not helpful in rebranding queer to us older folks, the older hate stuck to it is not gone for those who remember just like a certain n word is not gone for black people.

[–]BiHorror 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Some of us dislike the word queer because we remember a few decades back is was used just like faggot as a very negative slur against gay men. People got beat up and killed for being "queer"

That is understandable for the older generation. I just find it hypocritical to currently be okay with using some slurs and not others. This is also language policing. We can't selectively (we can but it would be hipocrisy) choose what can and can't be said.

I find think that if we are choosing to censor slurs, it should be for all or none. I'm okay with non blacks using the n word (which are you referring to the ga or hard r?), as long as others can use slurs associated with that specific non-black group. Why? Because it would be hypocritical of me to say to these people you can't say the n word but be okay with the slurs of their group being used. It's as I said, either all slurs can be used or none can. Alongside as I stated, I feel that if this occurs, this can actually remove the power/baggage associated with this specific slur and even "change meanings."

[–]BiHorror 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I understand your point on why some wouldn't want to use it (modern usage and it being used as an umbrella) but I'm referring to those who see as the slur.

In your essay, you stated that people use gay as a way to refer to something "shitty," this is similar to other insults with ableist origins are used and/or ableist slurs that people currently recognize being used (ex retard and Autism).

For these things, I find it hypocritical that those don't want to others to use phobic slurs because xyz but are completely find with using other types of slurs. This can even be said about other groups who want to selectively choose what should and shouldn't be used by themselves and others. They want to use insults with ableist origins to disrespect others and/or mental disorders use to negatively describe something. This is what I find hypocritical. How can you (not you specifically) say you're "anti slur" for some but not others as well? It's double standards.

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[–][deleted] 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think in order for something to be a slur, in a colloquial sense, it has to be directed at a specific (often marginalized) group of people and used in a derogatory manner.

Words like dumb, stupid, idiot, etc don't fit that criteria because they can apply to anyone. Fussing over the etymology of a word doesn't really help in this case either. When someone calls a person an ass they aren't literally implying that this person is a donkey. When I call someone a dick I'm not calling them an actual penis. Likewise, calling someone dumb isn't literally implying they they have a mental disorder which renders them unable to speak.

"Queer" is seen as a slur because it's almost exclusively directed toward homosexuals and for the most part, intended to be an insult. If an LGB person wants to reclaim it for themselves and take that derogatory power out of it, that's great. But it's still a slur if used by someone who isn't "queer". And it's not on the same level as the words you claim are ableist. Same goes for words GC has banned because they're directed mainly at women. However, I've seen this change too. People call both men and women sluts and hoes now for example, when a few years ago they were slurs directed mainly at women. For the most part I think these specific words are still slurs, but if we get to a point where they apply to anyone and not just women, they would cease to be slurs in my eyes. That's how I feel about words like dumb and stupid. They were slurs at one point, but they aren't anymore.

I appreciate the intent behind your post, but I think this is a bit of a stretch.

[–]BiHorror 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Okay, I get what you're saying. The thing is (maybe I just sucked at explaining it in my post) is two things: (1) Slurs and (2) the usage of it in the past and such

So while you are right, that when people use insults like dumb, idiot, stupid, etc. wouldn't be using it to refer to that person as having that mental disorder, but it is, depending on how people use it, giving those disorders a negative conntation if that makes sense. For example, idiot was used to refer to those with learning disabilities. While most people don't use it against those who do have a LD, hopefully, the current definition of idiot being "untelligent" is somewhat still connected to that. You're insulting someone with a word that was used for someone who couldn't control or ask for a mental disorder and making it look negative to be/have.

The thing is some people do fuss over past meanings of words and how they were used. Like an example that I have used in reply to others (for context: I'm Afro), the n-word. Despite how people of today are now using it as a way to say "homie" or "buddy," it was still used negatively in the past. Some people use this as an excuse on why others shouldn't say it. So, what would it then be if someone called another the n-word? Would they literally be calling them black or just another way of "buddy"? Maybe the context matters. But that's the thing, we don't make conversations for stuff like this but when it comes to ableist slurs, words with ableist origins, or using mental disorders as to describe someone or something negatively, we're quick to give it a free pass.

And it's not on the same level as the words you claim are ableist.

I see it as this way: if all slurs are supposedly that bad (negative connotations or insults with xyz origins) then they shouldn't be used period. I'm for freedom of speech and I do dislike when people do this whole level of what is considered "oppressive." A slur is a slur. If someone call me a hard r, I would call that racist. If someone called a white person the h- or c word, I call that racist as well! I have seen people use the r-slur or autism as an insult, only some would call that out but would be quick to shut someone else down if they used the n-word for example. These are what I find hypocritical. There have been articles and videos from people who are disabled who would like people to not use these words but it appears it gets swept under the rug due to how normalized it is, and how people don't know of the history behind these words.

However, I've seen this change too. People call both men and women sluts and hoes now for example, when a few years ago they were slurs directed mainly at women. For the most part I think these specific words are still slurs, but if we get to a point where they apply to anyone and not just women, they would cease to be slurs in my eyes. That's how I feel about words like dumb and stupid. They were slurs at one point, but they aren't anymore

I personally agree with you on this 100% and that's what I find sooo frustrating... How can we make these slurs cease to be slurs if we don't allow them too? We did this with most to all ableist slurs (this is what I was trying to get at). The more we try to censor and police those who can and can't say doesn't cease it from being a slur. Not only that, but the people who do want to use it specifically against you and/or your group will find the power in that word to do so. Plus, it is also enforcing language policing as well. Something people dislike a lot but will enforce on others in a heartbeat.

[–]distortedlindsLady Muse 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I’m gonna be honest, where have you seen that here? I for one, have not.

[–]BiHorror 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm talking both on here and in general. We use terms that do have a history of ableist origins, we compare these people (TQ) who are choose to act the way they do. I've seen people use terms like idiot, dumb, stupid, etc. I've seen some tried to use autism as an insult (those are reported and you can see that in the moderation logs).

[–]reluctant_commenter 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

And it's not only LGBDropTheT I've seen this on. I see it on other subs such as GC, where the rules say you cannot use the c-slur but for some odd reason you can use slurs related to making fun of those with learning disabilities or mute?

I totally agree. This is why I have not really joined the GC community even though I have a lot of beliefs overlapping with GC.

Just curious-- do you have any recent examples (for s/lgbdropthet)? I ask because I've seen people say some (e.g. "cunt" or "slut" on occasion, or there was a user going around with a made-up slur about bisexuals a few months ago...), but haven't noticed anything glaring more recently.

I do see people talking disparagingly about mental illness without slurs, and that worries me, I think it's important to both be able to recognize that people are fellow humans worthy of compassion AND be able to express anger at their dumb actions (without shaming them for being mentally ill).

[–]BiHorror 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

I seen recently on Twitter (GC side) They wanted to stop using "bitch" since it was an insult used predominantly towards women... But wanted to go ableist slur like it's nothing.

Just curious-- do you have any recent examples (for s/lgbdropthet)? I ask because I've seen people say some (e.g. "cunt" or "slut" on occasion, or there was a user going around with a made-up slur about bisexuals a few months ago...), but haven't noticed anything glaring more recently.

Ableist or other types? Thankfully I haven't seen any other kinds of slurs (like the ones you mentioned alongside that one user who I'm pretty sure know who you're referring). As for ableist, it depends on how you see it: if we're going by historical and slurs are slurs regardless of "reclaim" or "not meaning what it used to," then yeah. I have seen people used slurs such as nuts, stupid, idiot, etc. I think there was one user (got banned and called out for it too) who said hysterical/hysteria.

Not only what you mentioned, but also important to recognize that people who act like pos shouldn't automatically be seen as having a mental illness. It's just them being an ass.

[–]CuntWorshiperWomenholic full time | vagina fetishist part-time 21 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

I think you losing it a bit.

B**** isn’t simply a “insult used predominantly towards women”. B**** is a misogynistic slur used in sex-based discrimination. B**** isn’t unisex. When b**** is used towards men is used to insult them by comparing them to females, not because B**** can be anyone regardless of sex.

I think is very reasonable that, in a feminist forum, women banned misogynistic slurs. You must likely won’t see the t-word in trans forums (although they love misogynistic slurs). You won’t see f-homophobic-word on here, unless it’s being called out, or pointed out. People pick their fights, people have priorities which makes sense because if you try to fight all the battles you can’t win any.

I seen recently on Twitter (GC side) They wanted to stop using "bitch" since it was an insult used predominantly towards women... But wanted to go ableist slur like it's nothing.

I see that you genuinely try to be impartial but you’re failing. As people always do, you’re demanding shit and judging women more passionately than you do to anyone else. I have see many times misogynistic slurs being used here. I personally don’t care (I’m not the language police here). It seems like you don’t care too since you didn’t mind mentioning it, although, god forbid someone saying “idiot” right? Sure ableism is much more prevalent and dominant in the world than misogyny.

What I actually find insulting is you comparing silly insults such as ‘idiot’ ‘stupid’ ‘dumb’ ‘hysterical’ that can be used against anyone regardless of sex, age or race to b**** (and maybe other misogynistic slurs worse than b*) and queer or f** which are slurs used against specific demographics that were, and still are, explicitly marginalized for belonging to the demographics they belong to, as if they had the same weight and social meaning.

[–]Rag3 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What I actually find insulting is you comparing silly insults such as ‘idiot’ ‘stupid’ ‘dumb’ ‘hysterical’ that can be used against anyone regardless of sex, age or race to b**** (and maybe other misogynistic slurs worse than b) and queer or f* which are slurs used against specific demographics that were, and still are, explicitly marginalized for belonging to the demographics they belong to, as if they had the same weight and social meaning.

All of this.

[–]BiHorror 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

All of this.

So slurs or insults with negative origins are okay as long as they don't effect you personally... Even if there's those who get affected by multiple times. Alright then. That's nice to know.

[–]Rag3 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Didn’t say that. I want to see examples of those slurs being used in this s/ because I’ve yet to see it. I’d love to know how to correct the usage of these terms as they apply colloquially, today.

Also, don’t assume you know anything about my status, thanks.

[–]reluctant_commenter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

People pick their fights, people have priorities which makes sense because if you try to fight all the battles you can’t win any.

Yup, exactly. I think this is important to consider, because we are NEVER going to be a "perfect" community and that's totally okay. I think we can talk about issues when they arise but it is highly unlikely that we could, for example, root out all disagreement here about slurs.

Someone here once observed that the only thing we all agree on here is that we need to drop the T from LGB. I think we vastly agree on many other things as well but the heterogeneity of perspectives on this sub is actually really huge (and I think that's cool!). Sometimes that means compromising.

[–]Rag3 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Can you write all my comments for me? You phrase things so eloquently. ♥️

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Aw, that's so sweet of you <3 thanks!!! That means a lot. Sometimes I feel like I'm just fumbling for stuff in the dark haha.

[–]BiHorror 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why the fuck are you going off on me and how the fuck am I demanding shit? I just stated that it's hypocritical to be against some forms of slurs but completely okay with others. You do know I'm also a woman right? I've stated here (in the sub) that multiple times. I also been called a bitch and idiot during my life, just as I've been called the n word for being Afro, that's why I'm making this post.

We're trying to call out people for using queer when we also use (and apparently some of even go as far to justify) slurs ourselves. We can't make ourselves look like some victim when we actively do the same in using discriminatory language and condoning it. Those that also have a history of being discriminatory. I've stated I don't care if people use ANY slurs, I just dislike when we try to police the use of some but are okay with others. Misogyny and ableism are both fucking important and should be dealt with. What? Do you think disabled women don't exist? Or even disabled lgb don't exist?

Okay? Apparently other types of discrimination aren't important, I guess? Just fuck them. Ableist slurs, just as slurs against race, sex, sexuality, etc. Are also used against a specific demographic and still are (people use the r-word and Autism like it's nothing). All discrimination is bad. Shit, I can even find you links to phrases that are racial in origin. Would you be okay with the usage of that? Things like peanut gallery, sold down the river, the itis, gyp, etc.? These are things people still use.

I'm the "silly" one for calling out hipocrisy? Alright, mate. Whatever you say.

Since you want to go far on protecting (some) women, there are ableist slurs that are used agaisnt women. I brought up hysteria/hysterical which was a term used against women. The reasoning behind this was that hysteria comes from "womb" and therefore women can get it. Alongside, some even consider "barren" to be sexist/misogynistic. If you want evidence for this, I can provide it too. Especially for hysteria being a misogynistic slur (but apparently to you, it's "insulting" despite the fact of its ties to misogyny and ableism which women in the past had to deal with and the god awful "treatment" for these women). And I have still seen people use "hysterical" to refer to women. Not men, but women.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.medicalnewstoday.com/amp/articles/the-controversy-of-female-hysteria

In the link, you can find some of the so called "treatment" proposed to be done on these women. If you want more evidence, I can provide because I'm willing to be civil.

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[–]reluctant_commenter 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I have seen people used slurs such as nuts, stupid, idiot, etc. I think there was one user (got banned and called out for it too) who said hysterical/hysteria.

Ok... I guess I have trouble seeing these as slurs. I know "idiot" for example does have discriminatory roots, and I think name-calling in general is reductive, trivializes the problem and is not a good way to further discussion. But what do you propose? That people stop using all these words?

I am against people bashing people, e.g. "trans people are so stupid," because it helps nothing and obscures the fact that many people who have fallen for the trans cult are desperate and in need of help. However, I kind of get when people bash actions or ideas, e.g. "That claim is so STUPID!" Does this type of comment bother you as well?

Not only what you mentioned, but also important to recognize that people who act like pos shouldn't automatically be seen as having a mental illness. It's just them being an ass.

People jumping to assumptions is not helpful, I agree, but in many cases there is reason to believe that mental illness is playing a role, and I think it's reasonable to observe, "This person may be mentally ill, here is why I think that..." But not dismiss it like "oh you mentally ill piece of shit" in an insult, which I have seen on here.

[–]BiHorror 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ok... I guess I have trouble seeing these as slurs. I know "idiot" for example does have discriminatory roots, and I think name-calling in general is reductive, trivializes the problem and is not a good way to further discussion. But what do you propose? That people stop using all these words?

I wouldn't say stop using them, that's impossible since it's so normalized and people don't know the history of it, but I just want the hipocrisy of being okay with some slurs but not others to stop. For example, I'm Afro, I've been called the hard r for all that I've been living... I don't have an issue with people (especially white) using the n word, especially when it's not out of malicious intent. Becuase as I said, slur or not, people have the right to say anything they want. I do have an issue with those who want to censor the use of n-word from non-blacks but are completely okay and go as far to justify using mental illness as an insult or other types of slurs.

However, I kind of get when people bash actions or ideas, e.g. "That claim is so STUPID!" Does this type of comment bother you as well?

No, as long as people don't try to censor others from using other types of slurs or things as negatively connotations. It's just that I dislike the hipocrisy of being okay with usage of some slurs and not others as I stated before. You want to use x slurs? Fine, but don't call out others who use yz slurs. Either all slurs shouldn't be used or all can. It shouldn't be selective. That's also language policing and hypocritical.

If you're having trouble with some of the words, I can explain. Nuts was used to describe those with mental disabilities, stupid was used to refer to those in a stupor, and hysteria (not only ableist but misogynistic) was used against women.

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[–]reluctant_commenter 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wouldn't say stop using them, that's impossible since it's so normalized and people don't know the history of it, but I just want the hipocrisy of being okay with some slurs but not others to stop.

I understand why you hold this view, however I think it is unlikely you will be able to get people to agree or to consistently act this way because your view of what is morally wrong seems different than others' (in this comment thread, at least).

Your view:

  • People should be able to say any slur, and stop getting angry or protesting against when other people call them slurs.

Some other people's view:

  • Some slurs are worse than others, and of course the worst ones should not be said; a word like "idiot" whose meaning has fundamentally changed from its usage several centuries ago is not equally harmful as is a word like "cunt" or the f-slur or n-word.

These people are being hypocritical by your standards, but not by their standards, is I guess what I'm trying to say here. If you want to change minds you'd have to get to the root of disagreement and suggest to people that they ought to change their standards to match yours.

If you think of it as variables-- you are treating slurs in a binary way, i.e. slurs/not slur, and all slurs are equally bad. But many people simply don't subscribe to this belief, and that is why many people on this thread don't agree.

I might remove this later but I'll add... I have ADHD. Sometimes words can be worse than slurs, and vice versa. I would be bothered if someone called me the r-slur but not "idiot" because "idiot" is not really about my diagnosis, it is a casually applied insult. However, if someone called me "lazy" I would find that VERY hurtful and it would be harmful because being "lazy" is a major stereotype of people with ADHD. Even though it is not a slur, I would argue that it is far worse than the word "idiot" in that context. Whereas-- unless I am much mistaken-- "idiot" isn't used to stigmatize a group specifically these days, even though it could be used in a targeted way towards someone with a disability just like "clueless" or "confused" or any other put-down. Just my thoughts.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee~=[,,_,,]=^_^= 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

There is nothing recent or strange about feminists wanting misogynistic slurs to be gone.

[–]BiHorror 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

And there is also nothing wrong with the disabled people wanting ableist slurs to be gone either. I cannot expect them to be "for all women" when they can't even stop and think about some of the slurs they use or usage of mental disabilities as negative connotation.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee~=[,,_,,]=^_^= 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

And what are those? Because you are really vague about what slurs you are upset about and you seem to mix up insults and slurs. You also consider idiot a slur while it was a medical term CENTURIES ago and has evolved into just being an insult without any medical connotation or targeting a specific group of people which is what a slur is.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I refrained from commenting on this post but OP is tilting at windmills here and doesn't know what s/he wants.

[–]BiHorror 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How exactly? I just stated that I believe hipocrisy shouldn't be tolerated. If slurs are so bad then none of them should be said. Not some, not two or three, but all. Or all can be said. That's it. I had no problem with people using them, it's just the hipocrisy and act of policing other discriminatory language (but not ableist) that bugs me.

We talk about how TQ+ shouldn't use homo/biphobic slurs but we sit here and use mental disorders as ways to insult them (as i stated to some others, and thank god for moderators existing, you can go to the moderation log and see how some try to use autism as an insult for example if you go through it). You can go outside of this sub, and see people use retard or autism without being called out. But I'm the one who us tilting at windmills? Ugh.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Blah blah blah hypocrisy. Several people have asked you for specific references and you haven't delivered. Also, are you familiar with the etymological fallacy?

[–]BiHorror 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

These are terms that have been used against disabled people as a way to dehumanize and belittle them in the past. They were medical terms but as I said, they then became a way to belittle disabled people. This would be considered slurs. Today, they're considered everyday insults because they "changed" in meaning, the thing is, this "change in meaning" still connects to the original meaning. For example, idiot is used to describe someone who is untelligent, and this is also how it was used in the past. Instead of just creating a new word to do this, they choose a slur. If you like, I can give you evidence on why these are considered slurs.

without any medical connotation or targeting a specific group of people which is what a slur is.

And with this logic, this can be used for other types of slurs. Within time, they can "change meaning" as well. The thing is, people don't allow it to and that's what I find hypocritical about this. How can we be okay with xyz (which, not even using idiot, but I have seen people use autism and retard, which are slurs still and not called out for it. Just on here from time to time or another sub but on other websites and off the internet. Not only this but people using disabilities to describe something in negative connotation) but say "stop! You can't say that" to others. It's either all can be used or none can.

Either all slurs are okay or none are. Anything can be used as an insult or none can. If we are selective, we are also being just as language policing and hypocritical.

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[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I've noticed thelchat sometimes people censor the r-word, but still use it. Sometimes the bisexuals that are mad at the lesbians on thelchat use asp** in a derogatory way. (encyclopedia dramatica uses asp** in that manner too, to make fun of level 1 ASD folks.) I think q***r is a slur tbh. I also agree with you on people being hypocrites on using slurs too.

[–]reluctant_commenter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What is the l chat? Is that another website?

I also think queer is a slur and some people are hypocritical.

Sometimes the bisexuals that are mad at the lesbians on thelchat use asp** in a derogatory way

Just curious, why would they associate that with lesbians? Are there a lot of lesbians on the l chat who have autism spectrum disorder?

edit: Who are these people hahaha https://thelchat.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=55891&sid=68f7a67d4cde25aeb75e71173415f94c

[–]diapason 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I think we may have just spotted the rare femcel lol

[–]reluctant_commenter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, no kidding!!! A whole different world than our little community here... although I have seen one or two individuals around saidit who are like this. Yikes.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's a few lesbian autistic people on there, including myself, but it's a small minority. Hell, even lolcow.farm has some autistic people that post on the /ot and /g sections.

[–]BiHorror 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sounds like YouTube, despite how much they claim to be "anti discrimination" lol.

I see it as a slur too, especially the way it was used historical wise, I wouldn't use it myself but I wouldn't stop others (LGB) using it. Especially with my stance on this. I just believe that if people are gonna be using x slurs, then it should be fair to use others. Either all are bad or none are. A slur is a slur. I remember once I got into it with someone (another non-white but also non-black) about the usage of the n word and hipocrisy of how some people wouldn't let that slide but would let the r-tard slur slide (which you would think they wouldn't... Sike).

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't think I've ever seen someone use aspie as an insult, usually just autistic. And hasn't that been reclaimed anyway by the autistic community? I'm an aspie myself (even though the term is defunct due to the reclassification in DSM-V), although I barely have much to do with the community since it's been flooded with attention seeking self-diagnosers.

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Well Encyclopedia Dramatica uses it, but that's the reason why I'm not fond of the word. I don't care for that word of the q-slur, but we have the right for free speech, so if anybody doesn't mind those they can use it ig.

[–]jjdub7TERF (Trans Exterminating Reactionary Fascist) 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"Retarded" is a descriptor meaning backwards or inefficient. It's application to those with Down syndrome was as a euphemism, but the word existed in plain lexicon beforehand.

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I understand that, but I've noticed people overuse the word tbh. My twin sister has been diagnosed with her low iq "mental retardation" I understand if it's used in that purpose tho. People think autistic people are that word, and I just get irritated because my twin sister and I aren't stupid.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think people should be able to use any slurs they want, for me, I believe that's the way of how you make a slur powerless.

This is my opinion too. I don't think "queer" should be forbidden & saying it isn't a hate crime. It may be cringy and it certainly seems to stand for complete nonsense these days, but I don't think that an idiot calling themselves "queer" is some kind of homophobic attack. Nor do I find it particularly offensive when, say, FTMs call themselves the f-word. I honestly find it more disrespectful that they pretend to be men, then that they use "homophobic language." Denying reality is a lot bigger than using a no-no word.

Also this sub doesn't seem to have issue with gay male spaces that abuse the fuck out of the f-word and "sissy" and say all kinds of horrible things about gay men, so, I'm gonna take a wild guess and say people don't dislike "queer" because it's a bad word, but because it's associated with nonsensical bullshit.

However, I don't think words like stupid, idiot, dumb etc are "ableist slurs." Unless everything is a "slur", but, I personally don't believe in "slurs" except for a few very strong ones. Hell, I'm even fine with "retard" because it's so comical & nobody uses "retarded" as a serious medical term anymore, anyone with half a brain knows that it's not acceptable nor accurate to refer to people with cognitive impairment that way.

And before you ask, yes, I am "neurodiverse" or whatever the PC term for fucked in the head is these days.

Honestly, calling myself retarded and (insert bad word for gay that automod will block) is weirdly theraputic. Laughing at myself helps.

[–]fuck_reddit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Imo a lot of the "slurs" that are mentioned re: disabled people are rather... weak... It comes across as idiotic language policing. To be a slur, it has to predominantly be targeted at a group or be a direct comparison to that group, and I just don't see that. Maybe I'm alone, but I don't think of disable people when I say "stupid," "dumb," "idiot," "melancholic," "choleric," etc. What I do think of, is people from my life that are stupid, dumb, idiotic, melancholic, or choleric and aren't disabled. I personally don't use the word retarded to describe people. It just comes across to me as rather vulgar. In general, everyone can say it or no one can, otherwise you create an aristocracy of speech, that is, people who have privileges and rights to certain words. I'm appalled by such an idea...