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[–]Arapaho_Joe 49 insightful - 4 fun49 insightful - 3 fun50 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

Welcome. As a mostly conservative I stress to people that they aren't just one thing. I'm conservative on some issues, moderate on others, and liberal on a few things.
We are dividing ourselves too much by a political party line and it's wrecking this country.

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    [–]brightlightbellend 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    Don't forget, we now also have the politically incorrect steak; well done.

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      [–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

      I eat vegans. Grass fed is lovely

      [–]GConly 41 insightful - 4 fun41 insightful - 3 fun42 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

      Welcome. I'm basically an old school liberal who got so pissed of with intersectional woke bs and censorship that I've bailed on Reddit.

      The trans thing also pissing me off. They are men, they offend like man, have male brains and male bodies.

      Also massively angry about the transing of confused teens currently going on. Even questioning the medical validity of it will have the woke crowd screeching that you are killing transpeople just by wanting a controlled study on the effects of puberty blockers.

      Expect more of a combination of outright crazy incel, neo Nazi and intelligent balanced discussion here than on Reddit.

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        [–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        the weird woke tranny shit disgusts people and they react going too far sometimes, if not for the censorship and snowflakes acting butthurt, people wouldn't try to trigger them by saying far right based stuff. Also inceldom is rising, women are getting more and more picky, and the fuels a backlash against that too, many vote for Trump just because he is funny and makes fun of feminists. I get matches sometimes, but with fat single moms only, it's frustrating.

        [–]GConly 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        women are getting more and more picky,

        I've been studying sexual behaviour in young people, it's effectively the same in college kids now as it was in the sixties. The only real difference is the age of marriage. And those prone to promiscuity use dating apps more instead of partying to pick up.

        Average at at virginity loss is still 17. Modal number of sex partners is still 2.

        If you want to pull that 80% of men are unattractive out, that's because that number came from still photos (OkCupid) and women give a large part of their ratings of attractiveness to things like speech, movement, status etc that you can't get from stills.

        If you chase up the rest of that OkCupid data, the women messaged the guys pretty fairly. The guys however just all messaged the top 10% of the women.

        In the flesh ratings still skew slightly in women's favour, but not by much. There's a speed dating study that shows the ratings. It's pretty even.

        [–]BigFatRetard 25 insightful - 4 fun25 insightful - 3 fun26 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

        I feel that right in my balls.

        In 2020, not being a massive bigot towards the designated target makes you a Nazi, and Reddit facilitated that.

        If being anti racist, anti sexist, and pro leaving people alone makes me a nazi then seig fucking heil.

        [–]ResearcherofRage 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

        I hate to say it but yeah, I was raised democrat/liberal but after seeing the lies that group spreads and the straight faced irony of calling the right a propaganda machine when the left does the exact same thing has worn me down. I hate to say it but my patriotism is at an all time low and it feels like participation is useless...

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          [–]72ndGender 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

          I agree. Something like an National American Worker's Party. I support some socialism too, actually. So, let's call it the National Socialist American Worker's Party. Thinking a little furthers, the most common ethnic group in the working class is German, so their name should be in it too. Maybe National Socialist German Worker's Party would be the best name...

          Just having some fun with ya. Welcome to the site. I've been here a while, off and on, but I just switch names periodically.

          [–]bobbobbybob 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          I got called a Nazi so much for being a normal 80's Liberal, that I researched Hitler and his ideas and discovered that I think that national socialism is actually a very good form of socialism that avoids many of the pitfalls of marxism. Without the mad warfare, of course. At some point, you need to build communities and grow their identity and connection to the land that sustains them

          [–]Girlwiththeraventat 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

          I came here from Reddit because of woke culture as well. If you don't agree with the hivemind you are a literal Nazi. The left and SJWs use the words Nazi and Hitler so much I feel like they are going to lose their true meaning. I lean left but damn with the identity politics. They just further divide people who should stand together. Now you cant even disagree with anything or you're against "human rights".

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            [–]Shitskinned_Faggot 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            There are only two genders and they cannot be changed, no matter how much some people's airy fairy rainbow dash obsessed brains wish and desire to be one of the 10,574,008 billion pseudo genders.

            [–]BobDolesAneuryism 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            You forgot "racist." Everyone right of center is just sooooooo racist!

            [–]rman 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

            Trans issues are the saddest today if you ask me. Obviously it’s a body dismorphia, but we treat it like it’s totally cool - I live in the sf area (For now - really looking at Oregon lately) and have even hired a Trans person twice (And have known a few more). In all of my journeys getting to know them without exception they have ALL had much deeper psychological problems and celebrating it has only enabled a sick kind of blind spot/excuse for their otherwise cries for help/anti-social behaviors.

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              [–]rman 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

              There are many factors at play beyond the social aspect (Chemical/biological/Trauma/etc) and I definitely don’t think if socially it suddenly became unacceptable it would solve anything in particular, at least immediately - but to condone and encourage the behavior, worst of all call people phobic or hateful who recognize it as a problem/disorder discourages research into treatments/causes and I think that’s a terrible thing. Because let’s be honest here: there’s not a single person who has this condition that isn’t in some kind of pain possibly debilitating due to it - but rather than seek treatment to limit it’s effects they are encouraged to exacerbate their condition with hormone therapy and surgery — there’s other body dismorphias where individuals want amputations because they feel their limb doesn’t belong to them, or worse they are in someone else’s body - and theyre treated as very serious conditions, but somehow this issue has become disassociated and turned into a grotesque inclusivity/acceptance moral high ground and I find that unfortunate. We should be treating these people the same way we treat anyone but it shouldn’t be a hateful endeavor to want to find a cure or treatment for it that doesn’t include gender reassignment surgery. Interestingly enough I see homosexuality as a completely different topic (I don’t think it’s a disorder, at least not anywhere in the same senses I speak to here, in fact think it might be an evolutionary safeguard for population control, but that’s just a theory) but only mention it because it’s often lumped together and I argue they are distinct issues worthy of two separate discussions

              [–]wecandobetter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              old r/LGBdroptheT agrees

              [–]avena_sativa_3 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

              left/right paradigm is antiquated.

              [–]malthuswaswrong 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Security/Liberty is the relevant dichotomy today. I wonder if it's really been that way all along.

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                [–]72ndGender 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

                What's ironic, is I see this exactly the opposite way. I see the left as wanting unlimited power in the hands of the few (politicians, bankers, corporate rulers) while the right wants individual rights, along the lines of libertarian ideals. The left keeps demanding the population be forced into ways of life and to accept ever shrinking constitutional rights, while the right pushes back against this. First, second, fourteenth amendments especially. A little fifth amendment thrown in there. Fourth amendment is both sides though.

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                  [–]bobbobbybob 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  Ah, the 'never tried real socialism' argument.

                  All left-wing ideologies require governments to heavily intervene in normal human interactions. This naturally and inevitably result in power concentration with the few.

                  Animal Farm being a classic analysis.

                  [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                  the culture war is the way they use to try to co-opt leftist stuff, isn't it.

                  [–]72ndGender 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  You make a fair point. And it's also worth bringing up that modern political groups have strayed very far from their roots in the last 20 years. Just look at the difference between a liberal in 2000 and a "liberal" in 2020.

                  [–]kokolokoNightcrawler 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

                  Welcome, you might be offended at some point, but hopefully never bored.

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                        [–]Shitskinned_Faggot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                        Just because you personally think it's edgy doesn't make it any less true unfortunately.

                        [–]theFriendlyDoomer 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                        Did it grow. . . like a little?

                        [–]forgottenpasswordguy 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

                        Your mom commits crimes

                        [–]Shitskinned_Faggot 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                        She does, and she gets away with them cos she's a nog. Jealous much?

                        [–]Cindy 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)


                        [–]wrongthink 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

                        As far as edge goes this is noticeable but still a bit dull. Got anything sharper?

                        [–]Shitskinned_Faggot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                        I prefer to stick to actual provable truths and facts, and what I stated is widely known to be a 100% verifiable fact regardless of how many cucks try to dismiss it, and entirely in their false opinion, for simply being 'edgy'.

                        [–]rman 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                        Lmao I doubt there’s much diversity in saidit so don’t worry about it? - pretty sure this is meant to be funny but damn man (Sarcasm is a difficult read on the Internet) — OP was like “I’m ready to try boxing I’m tired of sumo suit wrestling” and you went at it with a crow bar - even my swastika tattooed uncle only talks like this when he’s drunk - this is some scream into the void type shit

                        [–]KennyLogins 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)


                        What exactly are the issues that make you side leftist? Genuine interest, there will be no gotcha sucker punch.

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                          [–]FuriousPenguin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

                          I know a few companies here that reward longer working members with shares in addition to other benefits. Does this not happen where you are? Or am I understanding incorrectly?

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                            [–]FuriousPenguin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

                            True but if they're shareholders won't they also benefit from the profit?

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                              [–]Yayme 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

                              I'm curious to know your feelings are on privately owned businesses....

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                                [–]bobbobbybob 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

                                I have a business. If I need help, I'd like to be able to offer someone an amount of money in order for providing me with specific uses of their time. I absolutely 100% do not want to offer them a share in ownership of my business, which I have built up over years with sweat and toil.

                                I don't think you've ever owned your own business. Am I right?

                                [–]Yayme 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                Well, you mentioned shareholders, so I thought maybe you only meant public corporations.

                                [–]bobbobbybob 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                                Welcome. Hope you have fun here. I'll happily debate you, and call you names if you engage in leftist hate speech :D

                                I used to be a leftist...

                                [–]Cindy 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                                I'm a lefty but the disparity in content on reddit is a tad disturbing to me. Hundreds of heavily-armed, ex-military black folks walking through the street demanding a black nation? How is this not front page news? Regardless of how you feel about it, it's very important stuff. But not a peep on reddit.

                                [–]forgottenpasswordguy 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

                                I don't blame you and I'm surprised I don't see more people like you. It must be hard to have leftist ideals while actually hanging around the left these days. Sometimes I feel the same hanging with people on the right when they start whining about the BLM protests, you can be skeptical about the numbers of police specifically targeting black people, but a lot of the people marching simply want justice and police accountability-nothing wrong with that.

                                [–]Girlwiththeraventat 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                They have framed police accountability as being only a black issue. Out of the people killed by police every year, black people are the minority. Which is understandable because they are a minority population anyway. But now you have people saying cops hunt black people and every white person is racist. Which is just not true. And those statements turn away people from their cause. Like me. I do think the police system needs an overhaul. But I dont think it's a race issue like the media and BLM are trying to make it.

                                [–]forgottenpasswordguy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                I agree with you on that for the most part.

                                I'm kinda weird in that I like seeing the protests (except for the accompanying people in the middle of the road, and vandalism) and I hope they move us forward, but at the same time I don't like that it has been made into such a racial issue. If they would just leave it at "the thugs that broke into Breonna Taylor's home haven't been charged, cops should fear consequences of suffocating people like George Floyd, stop shooting shoving and gassing peaceful protestors, and Daniel Shaver's murderers haven't seen any justice" that would be ideal.

                                [–]bobbobbybob 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                                BLM was great, until it started to hate. At that point, fuck that racist shit. I've seen too many videos of unprovoked violence towards whites, and calls for murder, to ever support or have any time for BLM.

                                Police have a hard job. It does attract some bad people, but also some very very caring people. It must be soul destroying to work in black communities, clearing up the brains of murdered children (what was it, 14 people killed last weekend, in one city), dead at the hands of mindlessly vicious and uncaring black people.

                                Blacks have an issue in their communities, an issue of insane and destructive behaviours and a lack of regard for any of the tenets of civilisation.

                                Black lives have always mattered. But Black people seem to not care.

                                [–]forgottenpasswordguy 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                Yeah 67 people shot in Chicago and I haven't heard of any protests over that. Can you imagine if the police had 67 unjustified shootings in one city in one weekend?

                                Anyways I try to judge the individuals and not the group (BLM) itself, but if we are to judge the group there is certainly room for improvement. You're not wrong.

                                [–]gravitywitch 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                In no way am I speaking for all Black Americans (we aren’t a monolith), but from witnessing various acts within my particular community and family, a lot of us do care. Especially us Black women. We talk about it a lot (blogs, twitter engagement, amongst friends and family, as well as engagement in schools). But I think that because we are women within our various and diverse communities, we aren’t heard a whole lot (there’s the problem of shutting down women’s voices in various cultures around the world). We do small things to foster care and nurturing within our own communities such as watching out for neighborhood kids, going through with official and unofficial adoptions to make sure kids are growing up in homes with love and an appreciation for education, supporting women (and men) who suffer from physical, mental, and emotional trauma, setting up fundraisers for schools and community organizations, conducting speaking engagements for students about their various choices in life for free (something I, my colleagues, and friends do). We do care, it’s just that our actions are on a small intimate scale.

                                [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                                I deactivated/deleted Reddit today. I just couldn’t deal with it anymore after they banned gender critical.

                                [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

                                I considered myself leftwing too a few years ago. Everyone else went and got crazy, don't think I changed much at all. Welcome.

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                                  [–]bobbobbybob 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                  'the plight of the working class' is an exquisitely marxist phrase, so yes, you are right.

                                  I'm a conservative. I'm also a socialist. I care about my community and the people within it. Care isn't limited to leftists, but the ideology around the wording is

                                  [–]AFutureConcern 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

                                  It doesn't seem like leftism from a materialist, class-analysis point of view. But it's absolutely left-wing in the sense of being an egalitarian, pro-social justice movement. You know that thing where each time communism has been tried, it failed, but the excuse made is that it wasn't "real" communism? Well it's happening again, and it's exactly as leftist and communist as Mao's Cultural Revolution was.

                                  I'd contest the definition of leftist as "sympathiz[ing] with the plight of the working class", not least, because most explicitly right-wing philosophies do exactly that. Libertarians and small-government conservatives claim that free markets increase growth and productivity, which increases living standards for all, including the working class, who have been raised up from agricultural work to now working in service industries with a significantly higher standard of living. Fascists are explicitly pro-working class and see each laboring man as a cell in the great body of the nation, deserving a healthy, happy life which the state should assist in providing.

                                  So what makes libertarianism and fascism right-wing? They accept the natural order - a natural hierarchy where the productive and capable naturally rise above the unproductive and incapable. They accept that the mere existence of hierarchy does not imply unfair "oppression" has taken place, and in fact, equality of outcome itself would be evidence of unfairness where the natural order has been opposed.

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                                    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                                    You're wrong too to be honest. Marxism, which typifies the type of anti-capitalist left-wing that you are referring to, came along a lot later than the birth of the left/right divide. Many would consider it just as much of a bastardisation of the left as the current woke bullshit from the left. Simply put, the left wing stands against the Aristocracy and speaks for the rights of the common man. Marx conflated the aristocracy with the "capitalist class", but originally the common man just wanted to be free to trade their own labour and have the same rights as the aristocracy. "Equal rights" stemmed from this division of aristocracy and ordinary people, and the notion that all men should be equal under the law is the result of the left's first victory. Successive civil rights movements have pushed the envelope further, but they had nothing to do with capitalism aside from the fact the landed gentry inherited wealth which gave them rights their workers did not have. Communism and Marxism are alien to western culture and the history of enlightenment that led to our left/right divide. Applying it here is no different from the clowns that claim Islamic fundamentalists are right wing - they do not share our history and have no conception of the term.

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                                      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                      In a capitalist society, the capitalist class is the aristocracy.

                                      Not at all really. We're talking about people that had the right to vote simply because they owned land (including women in fact). They had rights and liberties the common man did not. No such extra rights are given to "capitalists". The most you could find is corruption of the equal rights we have by money changing hands within the legal system. Aristocracy was also infamous for being hereditary - it just isn't the case that today's billionaires are exclusively from rich families. Especially in tech - Gates, Bezos, Dorsey, etc. These are essentially self made men. There is a lot of social mobility in capitalism when compared to alternative systems.

                                      [–]Chipit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                                      Right-wing politics are characterized by the idea that some people are just supposed to be in charge - that's the natural order of things, after all. Left-wing politics are usually rejections of these ideas.

                                      Wha...? The socialist vanguard leads the people! See, the people are too dumb or deluded to know what's in their best interest. That's why The Smart People[tm] have to seize control and lead the people to where they need to be. Some people, about 10-15%, are incorrigible and are incompatible with the leftist system. They must be liquidated.

                                      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

                                      weird tranny bathroom shit is done on purpose to specifically make people not vote for dems. The rich who run this shit want tax cuts so they prefer repubs to win elections. They don't want leftwing economic policies.

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                                        [–]Cratis 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                        More specifically, it's to divide working people by "identity" while ignoring the importance of class. If poor black people and poor white people hate each other/ blame each other, they aren't going to work together. Thus, you don't see Amazon/ etc. shoving "poor lives matter" propaganda down everyone's throat.

                                        [–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                        that's a good cope for the cognitive dissonance that comes with viewing the results of Marxist indoctrination and intersectionality

                                        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                        yeah they, rulers, throw a lot of things at the wall to prevent people from rising up, and have for centuries, religion, racism, war, weird shit. If you supported bernie you got called antisemitic, cuz he criticized bankers.

                                        [–]AFutureConcern 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                                        I think that people's ultimate motivation is never money. Money is simply a means to an end, and that end is usually driven by religious, spiritual or ideological concerns. Sure there is some element of personal greed (for material goods), but beyond a certain level of wealth the goal is usually (and billionaires will talk about this openly) to "have an impact" and "leave a legacy" on society. For a lot of billionaires the "weird tranny bathroom shit" really is their ideological goal, brought about by a deep-seated faith in total liberalism; a liberation of man from all worldly constraints. For others, it's an indirect, subversive way of destroying the civilization they despise - without a strong foundation of faith & family, Western civilization will eventually collapse - they see this, and wish to hasten the process.

                                        [–]wrongthink 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                        There is a sizable and increasing portion of the population that puts feels before reals and tax cut shit is firmly in the reals camp. Simping for the smallest minority you can find is definitely a feels proposition. I think people just want to live in a fantasy land and if you try to pop their delusional bubble they get extremely aggressive and angry and try to come after you.

                                        After a certain amount of wealth accumulation you stop caring about more on that end and want other forms of affirmation. The sort you can get from being woke to the umpteenth power on social media - which is a toxic brain melting monstrosity.

                                        [–]veruscka8 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                        I don’t have anything witty to say just that I am right there with you. The left is eating itself and it’s why we can’t gain political power.

                                        [–]NorfolkTerrier 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                                        Welcome! We need more people on the left speaking out for ordinary workers. The wealthy have done a good job using social issues to control the lower classes and turn them against each other, but people are waking up (I hope).

                                        [–][deleted]  (3 children)


                                          [–]fisseminister 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                          try tampon baldos reddit...its more sjw than ur mom

                                          [–]Markimus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

                                          When are you going to trim off your remaining liberalism and become a fascist?

                                          [–]wrongthink 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

                                          Isn't the facist impulse to censor and ban all the things you don't like?

                                          [–]Markimus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                                          Every state censors and bans stuff that poses a threat to their power, it's no more fascist than it is liberal or communist. It's just what power does regardless of the state's supposed ideology. Also fascist* (fascio/fasces) not facist.

                                          [–]wrongthink 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                                          The impulse to ban rather than argue against is inherently fascist in my opinion. America has all kinds of people whining about the American system and how we need to pay reparations and not be interventionist and take all the money from rich people and give it to poor people. This is all a threat to the main power mechanisms in America but the whining is permitted anyway.

                                          If you had tried to undermine the Soviet Union with this kind of talk they would have you dissappeared. The Chinese government silences and dissappears such dissenters against the CCP all the time. Look at how people are "voluntarily" self censoring and self silencing in the wake of the "anti terrorism" law that the CCP just forced on Hong Kong.

                                          There is a clear difference in how various governments around the world move against their internal critics. I say that the difference is determined by how fascist the underlying government is.

                                          [–]AFutureConcern 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                                          I think a fascist state would be far less censorious than the international mega-corporations today who decline payment services, ban books from their platforms, kick users off for simply mentioning the names of dissidents, retroactively delete videos that didn't violate terms of service but now do, and even deny dissidents the ability to register domains.

                                          The association of fascism with censorship I think comes from a libertarian standpoint, from which all other forms of government look censorious and authoritarian. But actually, through a strong state, more freedom can be preserved, especially if that state is grounded in the truth, thereby not fearing its revelation. In contrast, a left-libertarian society leads most probably to our current situation with corporations as states-unto-themselves, based on deception (marketing) and therefore fearing the truth, preventing people from seeking it. (See Reddit's decision to shadowban users who post links to, or to outright block links to; they are motivated to censor their competition in our left-liberal/libertarianish society).

                                          [–]Markimus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                          The impulse to ban rather than argue against is inherently fascist in my opinion.

                                          This isn't a matter of opinion, it's a matter of you just having no idea how power is actually working currently.

                                          America has all kinds of people whining about the American system and how we need to pay reparations and not be interventionist and take all the money from rich people and give it to poor people. This is all a threat to the main power mechanisms in America but the whining is permitted anyway.

                                          No it's not. These things are coming from CEOs, education institutes, celebrities, big tech etc. This stuff is coming from people with power, it's not a threat to power at all. The second a Black Lives Matter account made a single tweet about Israel's treatment of Palestinians on twitter they got cancelled. That's what happens when you actually say something about power.

                                          If you had tried to undermine the Soviet Union with this kind of talk they would have you dissappeared. The Chinese government silences and dissappears such dissenters against the CCP all the time. Look at how people are "voluntarily" self censoring and self silencing in the wake of the "anti terrorism" law that the CCP just forced on Hong Kong.

                                          See above, these are people in power that masquerade as subversives. If they were actually subversive they wouldn't be on every billboard, every tv show, every movie, on every song on the radio etc.

                                          There is a clear difference in how various governments around the world move against their internal critics. I say that the difference is determined by how fascist the underlying government is.

                                          There's none, you have just been fooled into thinking the system's propaganda is its 'internal criticism'. Actual dissenters to the regime in the west are deplatformed from social media, banks, doxed and fired, put in prison for being 'terrorists' despite committing no crimes, put in prison for defending themselves against the system's paramilitary (antifa) etc. The west doesn't kill dissidents (sometimes they do) but it does all this suppression, the reason we're on this site is because Reddit suppresses actual political dissent.

                                          You're chasing imaginary fascists who literally have no power instead of the real life people who actually have power. They're capitalists and they're neoliberals. They ruthlessly suppress fascists because fascists are the people who oppose their power. Shit, they even ruthlessly suppress ordinary conservatives and class-focused leftists who aren't into all the woke stuff because they fear these people might become fascists. It's time the ordinary conservatives, the advocates of the working class and the fascist dissidents realise we have a lot more in common with each other than we do with these billionaires and millionaires, and there's hundreds of millions of us. There's probably only a few million people in the entirety of the US who believe in their bullshit, the problem is they've manipulated you into thinking your enemy is the other ordinary people who hate these fuckers who are exploiting and oppressing all of us.

                                          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                                          Wouldn't removing traces of liberalism make a person a moderate?

                                          [–]DestroyerOfSoy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                                          Welcome. Enjoy your stay, but keep in mind that many "leftist" working class issues will tend to cross over with biological and tribal ones "racialism". Expect to see some wild things.

                                          [–][deleted]  (1 child)


                                            [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                            Hello! I am happy to see more ideological variety on SaidIt, and more variety in lefty-type discourse. I like that SaidIt is designed to help us all actually talk to each other.

                                            [–]aryngeous 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                            Same here.

                                            [–]filbs111 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                            Welcome. On reddit people accuse me of being right wing. Looking forward to being accused of being left wing.

                                            [–]not_shadowbanned_yet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

                                            i was worried this place was going to be an echo chamber. good to see you here. what would you say are the main "leftist" issues you subscribe to?

                                            [–][deleted]  (4 children)


                                              [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                                              all wealth is created by labor and that labor is entitled to it

                                              What's the weather like in the 1800s?

                                              It was always and it will always be about resources. Labor is a convenience that is increasingly becoming worthless with automation and exponential population growth.

                                              Most of the cattle was put in the pen for months over the common cold. How do you reconcile that fact with the idea of anyone caring about the value of labor?

                                              I believe companies should be owned by those who actually do the work, instead of people who just professionally own things and watch the money roll in.

                                              Okay own a company and work.

                                              • Comrade we need some equipment and you have to pay yourself and your fellow comrade workers until the profits come in. Who is going to pay for everything?

                                              • Der Kapitalist says he wants a dividend at the end of the year in exchange of providing us that money.

                                              • Damn pig. We'll take his capital by force.

                                              • Can't we just collectivize some stuff at home depot?