George Floyd Body cam Video Shows he was saying "I can't Breath" way before being put on the Ground.

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[–]Edge_Finder 22 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

the county pulled the autopsy report, i have 2 copies on my phone....

https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/Autopsy_2020-3700_Floyd.pdf

he was drugged up... zero issues with neck

he died of excited delirium

yet Kelly Thomas is forrgoteen... aint that some shit

------> actual autopsy report (i did a lot of edits here) https://ibb.co/jRns3Td

here is autopsy report bottom portion is toxicology, yeah he had a lot going on

Excited Delirium

Excited (or agitated) delirium is characterized by agitation, aggression, acute distress and sudden death, often in the pre-hospital care setting. It is typically associated with the use of drugs that alter dopamine processing, hyperthermia, and, most notably, sometimes with death of the affected person in the custody of law enforcement. Subjects typically die from cardiopulmonary arrest, although the cause is debated. Unfortunately an adequate treatment plan has yet to be established, in part due to the fact that most patients die before hospital arrival. While there is still much to be discovered about the pathophysiology and treatment, it is hoped that this extensive review will provide both police and medical personnel with the information necessary to recognize and respond appropriately to excited delirium.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3088378/

oh and Kelly Thomas.... graphic

https://youtu.be/LfJnmkKNMTE

ohhh but just white wid all dat privilege

[–]quickbeam 21 insightful - 3 fun21 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 3 fun -  (118 children)

Is it considered good policing practice to put people who are already telling you they can't breathe onto the ground and putting them in a chokehold for over 8 minutes past the point when they have appeared to lose consciousness? Is that better, somehow?

[–]scrubking[S] 27 insightful - 7 fun27 insightful - 6 fun28 insightful - 7 fun -  (114 children)

It is good policing practice to subdue scumbags who are lying to not get put in the squad car and taken to jail. They gave him every opportunity and he would not stop resisting arrest. I used to blame the cop at first, but now no way. The cop is innocent of all charges.

[–]quickbeam 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (110 children)

There is no justifiable reason for a police officer to murder an unarmed person. None. They managed to bring in almost every white mass shooter no problem, so they can bring in some random guy who wrote a forged check or they are incompetent at best, cruel and murderous at worst.

[–]Carnate 19 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 3 fun -  (59 children)

Police shot and killed twice as many whites as blacks last year.

[–]Tarsius 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (56 children)

Why is that any better? Why is it ok that the police kill so many people at all, regardless of skin color? As I see it, the deal we (the people) are having with the state is, that we give it the monopoly on violence in exchange for getting justice without the need for personal revenge. This seems to generally make society a lot less violent, but in the US you have the state pretty much breaking this deal, by being unjustly violent itself. Riots are only the logical conclusion to this and I am wondering why 'all lives matter' isn't on the side of the rioters. Police defunding looks like a bad idea from my perspective, because as I mentioned above, mending the deal would likely make society far less violent, than breaking it completely. Nevertheless it is only logical that people want to do that because they have lost their trust in the police.

[–]justjoggin 11 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 4 fun -  (50 children)

Why is it ok that the police kill so many people at all,

Straw man. Why is ok that doctors kill 200,000?

This whole thing is a pretend issue. Police are part of living in a civilized society. No other races are collectively complaining. Blacks just don’t fit in. It’s not complicated. That’s why they’re getting booted out of China too.

wondering why 'all lives matter' isn't on the side of the rioters.

You could start with 1350, then move to 1390. They simply don’t fit in.

[–]FediNetizen 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (26 children)

No other races are collectively complaining. Blacks just don’t fit in. It’s not complicated

This is saidit for you I guess.

[–]quickbeam 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

I'm going to keep coming on here and debating because as more people leave reddit we can probably make saidit a more representative forum without this dominance of white supremacist views.

[–]FediNetizen 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

I agree. Just engage with them and don't let this shit drive normal people away.

Though you'll be met with a lot of resistance. I already had one dude get so upset he made a subreddit about what a "race-traitor Marxist cuck" I am. Amusingly, he also spelled my name wrong.

[–]NaughtyUnicorn 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Just engage with them and don't let this shit drive normal people away

There's nothing normal about people who riot because they want the cops to leave criminals alone. You guys think you have the moral high ground, but the truth is most of the people in this country don't agree with you. The silent majority is being censored by places like Reddit.

[–]Dragonerne 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (18 children)

You're going to have actual arguments then

[–]quickbeam 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

I think we'll be okay, but thanks for the concern. :)

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    [–]justjoggin 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Meaning accurate? You stopped short of articulating something meaningful here.

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      [–]lordNikon 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

      Policing techniques wildly vary from one country to another, even between states. US police are viewed as 'brutal' (but the States always gets put on trial, comes with the territory)

      This is an opportunity to reform policing standards, policies, oversight, judgement in the event of misconduct, etc. If you don't take the opportunity now the situation will most likely repeat itself. Looking at the whole situation, large change is needed but it needn't be negative.

      Polishing up a taxpayer service is surely a good thing don't you think?

      Blacks don't fit in

      I find no weight behind this statement. So many in our society are seamlessly integrated so therefore productive and engaged.

      [–]justjoggin 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

      Police are a non issue in America. Again no groups are complaining except blacks and those in their behalf. They don’t work in the first world. 1350 and 1390 say all that needs to be said.

      So many in our society are seamlessly integrated so therefore productive and engaged.

      If whites were 13 percent of the population in Nigeria committing 50 percent of the murders consuming a massively disproportionate share of the welfare I’m sure “productive and engaged” would be how you describe them.

      [–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

      If you don't take the opportunity now the situation will most likely repeat itself. Looking at the whole situation, large change is needed but it needn't be negative.

      Yes, kick them back to Africa and you'll have a better economy and less crime. This is what can be done if we take the opportunity now to make sure the situation does not repeat itself.

      I find no weight behind this statement. So many in our society are seamlessly integrated so therefore productive and engaged.

      Blacks are an economic negative for the US.

      [–]lordNikon 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

      Kick them back to Africa

      I mean, you kinda imported them once, so it's your problem now. I have a feeling that deportation is unlikely but you can burn your hopes on that fire of you need to.

      An economic negative in one country where there are skewed prospects based upon skin tone is the result of some really loopy ideals over time. No one is going anywhere without a full blown civil war that would be nice and bloody, you're better off educating people and bringing them into economic positivity for all. It's an untapped resource! You're capitalists; so capitalise ffs!

      Look, I'm just saying you're not going to get what you want without half the country burning down so work with it or remain a keyboard warrior.

      No disrespect. (This website is actually refreshing discussion after the one sided nature of Reddit)!

      [–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

      I mean, you kinda imported them once, so it's your problem now.

      "kinda imported" = "forcefully enslaved them and brought them over on slaveships" I like your language but what we did forcefully back then can be undone forcefully today.

      I have a feeling that deportation is unlikely

      You start small. Create a unit to send a few back, just a few. Then you slowly expand that unit. It's the "Slippery slope" applied to politics.

      An economic negative in one country where there are skewed prospects based upon skin tone is the result of some really loopy ideals over time. No one is going anywhere without a full blown civil war that would be nice and bloody, you're better off educating people and bringing them into economic positivity for all. It's an untapped resource! You're capitalists; so capitalise ffs!

      No, it will never work. They have low IQ and they want our blood. Seperation is the best solution.

      Look, I'm just saying you're not going to get what you want without half the country burning down so work with it or remain a keyboard warrior.

      No, we just need to start small and slowly expand. No one is going to burn the country down just because we send back say 100 criminal blacks. Then next year it can be 500 and so on. After 50 years things can be truly great.

      [–]NaughtyUnicorn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      It's not just blacks, cops kill white thugs too, but who cares. I love how the whole world is trying to protect criminals. If you don't want to be killed by a cop don't be a law breaking asshole.

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        [–]NaughtyUnicorn 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

        Why is it ok that the police kill so many people at all, regardless of skin color?

        I have no problem with the police killing people who are trying to harm them, and in almost all of the cases where a suspect is killed it's because they were putting the officers in danger. There may have been a few accidents where the officers may have made poor choices, but I don't think that really happens enough to be making this big of a deal out of it. In those rare cases the families should sue and the officers should be punished, but riots? Come on man.

        [–]quickbeam 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Hope you'll join us in protesting police brutality then! I don't support police killing unarmed civilians.

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          [–]yayblueberries 13 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 4 fun -  (18 children)

          And there was no justifiable reason for the entire country to blow up into riots over this one piece of shit junkie but it did.

          I love how you people who claim to be so morally pure only have your morals apply to pieces of shit. Destroying the businesses of people who likely aren't even racist is somehow totally okay though, and this scumbag repeatedly committing crimes is somehow okay as well. I don't feel the tiniest bit bad for Floyd, he was a complete loser.

          [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

          It has nothing to do with him being a junkie. What happened was WRONG. He was a POS? Whatever! All lives matter. When pigs act like pure thugs, THERE IS A PROBLEM.

          They could have tazed the guy to weaken him, then forcibly put him in the back of the vehicle. But no, they had to kill him.

          [–][deleted] 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

          They could have tazed the guy to weaken him

          That would have killed him instantly in his state.

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

          I think so, IF the state of him being so fucked up on drugs as to be incoherent is correctly assessed.

          But what can you do, death comes for us all.

          How is this different, you ask? Well at least it demonstrates AN ATTEMPT at subduing in a non-lethal fasion, instead of absolute thuggery.

          [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

          My god.... are you really trying to assign a murder charge with this imprecise language? What is "thuggery"? Is that a legal term? Why doesn't physically carrying Floyd to the back of the cop car while asking him nicely to cooperate qualify as "non-lethal"? The knee was determined to be no more than 105 lbs of pressure and Floyd was found with no evidence of strangulation.

          You need to realize just how much news media lies and lies and lies some more. It's frankly disgusting and warrants action. Their megalomania in this whole affair with their arbitration of morality and narrative has destroyed lives, killed innocents, and ruined the country further. They really should pay.

          [–]monkeytitz 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

          If they tazed the guy while he was tweaked out his mind, you know damn well you would have rioted over that too, so pick another solution

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          I? I have nothing to do with this. I am no rioter, why would you think this?

          Oh, right, you come from the ultra-polarized mindset where you are either with the "Good riddance, the [n-word] junkie POS criminal is dead! Yay! Good job, Officer! Much respect! Give this man a raise!" or with the BLM & antifa commies.

          News flash: I'm with neither. I side on the side of FACTS and REALITY. And these very rarely align with the extreme, brain-dead polarizations you are used to seeing.

          [–]takeyourjoyjohn 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Tazing someone who is experiencing excited delerium could have killed him, too. Tazing him wasn't an option that would have saved his life.

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          Yeah of course it could have killed him. I am not about "George Floyd is a saint and a martyr". I am about " 'to serve and protect' means NOT going out of your way to kill people."

          [–]slushpilot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

          Like Robert Dziekanski?

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

          Robert Dziekanski

          You know what, yes, why not. He died? Well that's shit luck if a generally non-lethal implement happens to kill one dude. At least then the officers can say, honestly: "we tried subduing him with non-lethal methods". My beef is with the thuggish, shoot-to-kill mentality these pigs display.

          Now I don't know about that Robert Dziekanski incident, so there might have been abuse there too. I mean, it certainly is possible to taze somebody to death, it's just LESS likely to kill him than to kneel on his neck for 8 minutes.

          [–]slushpilot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          Impossible to say without having the medical facts. As a cop in that situation you can't know if he's got a heart condition and is running 200BPM because he's tweaking or psychologically terrified or whatever. The electric shock could provide a much quicker end.

          These officers weren't exactly "shoot first" based on the video, but what they did wrong was fail to reassess the situation the moment Floyd went unconscious & stopped resisting. It's likely the 8 minutes that will get them convicted, not that they kneeled on him in the first place.

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

          Well the guy who killed Floyd came later on. He wasn't one of the two initial officers. So yeah the first 2 are not obviously "shoot-to-kill" but also, is it normal that they point their gun at a dude who is in his car before any sign of potential violence on his part?

          [–]slushpilot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          I agree with that, I don't think drawing your gun should ever be part of the routine or documented protocol. It just sets up a bad interaction where maybe there wasn't one before. Unholster your gun = fill out paperwork to justify why it was deemed necessary.

          [–]quickbeam 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          Do you or do you not believe it is wrong for police to kill unarmed citizens? If the answer is "yes, it's wrong" then it's totally understandable that people are sick of it and protested it.

          In terms of riots/looting: While I understand the motives for these I am actually opposed to both riots and looting. A lot of the rioters/looters were not politically motivated, however, and where I live a lot of the rioters were bored white kids from the suburbs, and some of them politically conservative. The vast majority of protests have been peaceful, well-organized and it's been the police response in most cases which has escalated it.

          And here's another thing - I am more mad at police killing people because they are being paid to help people not kill people. I'm not paying the protesters/rioters/looters and they are often arrested. The police, however, are killing people which is unconstitutional, not what we're paying them to do and cruel. It shouldn't even matter to anyone who cares about the Constitution who is being killed or whether they committed a crime or were on drugs. If you have any belief in democracy or our justice system or other police officers being safe to do their jobs instead of being viewed as enemies, you should also be loudly protesting these police officers.

          I'm not going to dignify your other comments by arguing about them, but the thing is I shouldn't have to prove you wrong on any of them for a person who believes in our Constitution to admit this was wrong.

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            [–]Wahwah 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (26 children)

            It wasn't murder, there was no intent to kill. He expired and that's unfortunate. At worse the officer is guilty of putting excessive force imo, certainly not murder.

            [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (19 children)

            It's murder.

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              [–]FediNetizen 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

              Except that's not true.

              [–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

              It was probably a masonic ritual to end the coco hoax. He was probably well aware of it.

              His children have interesting names.

              • Quincy Mason Floyd
              • Connie Mason

              https://www.wxii12.com/article/my-heart-is-really-touched-george-floyd-s-son-attends-protest-in-texas/32731322

              waaaaat???

              Remember it all started with Kobe "dying in a helicopter crash", and he was another mason.

              Kobe = Covid

              I haven't lost any sleep over the Floyd PsyOp, and we generally see these issues in a similar light.

              I'm very concerned about the ongoing infiltration and civil war stoking that is the result of the PsyOp.

              [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

              Block this user and go about your day. It's been said many times but it bears repeating; there are attempts to seed competing discussions with sock puppet unhinged lunacy so as to delegitimize it.

              [–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

              A) Horrux is my buddy.

              B) Why are you advocating for censorship?

              You don't know, what you don't know?

              The Google Translate Kobe = Covid coincidence is striking.

              Kobe = Covid

              Translate "KOBE" into Hebrew and you get "{HEBREW LETTERS}".

              Copy and paste those exact "{HEBREW LETTERS}" into a Hebrew to English translation and you get "COVID" IN ENGLISH.

              Try it yourself if you don't believe me.

              https://translate.google.com/

              It still works.

              Floyd was "murdered" the day the CDC published the results acknowledging that the death rate was not 3.4%, but was actually 0.26%.

              The inconsistencies of Floyd's death, should not be separated from the relevant events at the time.

              This is the first police killing of a black man that took 8 minutes, and was recorded the entire time.

              Most police do not want to ruin their careers and lives by killing someone for a trivial crime in broad daylight.

              At the same time, other officers kept the public at bay and allowed the "event" to happen, and for "the public" to record it.

              It was not an accident.

              Something unusual is clearly going on.

              [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

              Yes, this has always looked like a planned, ritualized killing IMHO­. It's still murder, though.

              To Degewer: Murder of a scumbag? Sure, well... If you've never sinned, cast your stone. I'm not trying to obfuscate anything. I just feel like police killing people (yes even people with lower morality are human) should be stopped.

              Still, I don't think the dude was a police officer. He has the biceps of a desperate crack and heroin addict. He probably has the strength of a 12-year-old. Some neighbors of the killer came forward and said about him that they didn't know he was in the police, they thought he was a real estate agent.

              Yep, I think completely staged, I agree with you Tom.

              [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

              I mean just LOOK at the guy's arm. Do a lot of cops look like they're starving themselves? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3c/George_Floyd_neck_knelt_on_by_police_officer.png

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                  [–]quickbeam 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

                  You'd have to be the biggest dumb-ass in the world to think that holding someone who can't breathe in a chokehold for over 8 minutes while they slowly lose consciousness wouldn't potentially lead to their death. So he's a cruel murderer or the world's biggest dumbass. I'm thinking the former is much more likely but if it's the latter, he has no business being on the force either.

                  [–]slushpilot 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

                  holding someone who can't breathe in a chokehold for over 8 minutes

                  Except that's not at all what the video shows.

                  We could argue about things like how much weight and where that knee was pressing, but calling that a "chokehold" is disingenuous. We should be clear because there's some discussion of banning chokeholds by police, which I would probably agree with, but that shouldn't mean that you can't hold anyone down on the ground, ever.

                  Also, he said he can't breathe and then he said he wants to lie on the ground. It's probably debatable, but I personally doubt it was the police that prevented him from breathing.

                  [–]kokolokoNightcrawler 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                  They should have had called for medical assistance first, then arrested him after someone checks his vitals and mental state. Dragging a person around who is clearly disturbed by something is inhumane to say the least. Wat do they do to the mentally ill homeless people I wonder.

                  [–]slushpilot 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                  It's armchair speculation at this point to argue about what they "should" have done.

                  They had a guy who was in no condition to be driving, sitting behind the wheel of a car. You can't just let him drive off like that: your only option is to arrest him as the first course of action. Not a lot of good choices available.

                  [–]Overdrive 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                  Generally they are trained to call for medical aid under the right circumstances. If George had stopped and said, "I need an ambulance" I am sure after a few more questions one would have been called.

                  Obviously they are trained to trust their senses. Blood, cuts, weakness, dizzyness, profuse sweating, slurred words, and even more obvious signs of course. George, to me, was not acting in a manner that bespoke a need for immediate medical attention.

                  [–]Wahwah 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                  Standard procedure. Excessive force as I said, that practice is established. Probably his COVID and/or whatever drug he got high on caused his breathlessness. The police only accelerated it by applying excessive force.

                  [–]justjoggin 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                  Let’s see the numbers. Prove police on black murder is disproportionately high with number of overall confrontations as the denominator. You won’t. You can’t. Because it’s fiction.

                  [–]NaughtyUnicorn 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                  George Floyd was not murdered. He died of a drug overdose. I think when he saw the cops coming to arrest him he swallowed whatever stash he had to get rid of the evidence. What we see in that video is a man ODing. The only thing those officers did wrong was they didn't try to revive him. Floyd was a very large man at 6' 4" 223 pounds. That cop was not applying enough pressure to harm a man of that size. His knee is actually more on his shoulder than his neck. He was foaming at the mouth which is a classic symptom of a drug overdose. George also had a bad heart and had Covid. That combined with the massive amounts of drugs in his system is what killed him. Lot's of people fake being sick/hurt when they are being arrested. Those cops had no way of knowing that he was really in distress. If I were on the jury I would not convict those officers.

                  [–]Cratis 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                  "There is no justifiable reason for a police officer to murder an unarmed person."

                  True, but circular, because "murder" means "an unjustifiable, illegal killing." The police who killed Floyd, or were there when he died, haven't been convicted of murder. And, for some reason, the media ran with an edited-down version of the video and the story for months to make everyone think this was clearly a murder by police. It seems like the real story may be something more complex and different--Floyd was high, had a cardiac event when resisting arrest, and died possibly due to the drugs or the combination of the drugs and the police use of force. It certainly hasn't been proven that the cops crushed his neck in a deliberate attempt to kill him. And he wasn't in a "chokehold," as far as I'm aware.

                  [–]monkeytitz 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  Is it common where you’re from to ignore every point the comment that you reply to makes

                  [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                  No. Kneeing somebody in the neck for long is NOT OKAY no matter what. Especially after they stopped struggling. And tell me, there were 4 of them. There was no way to subdue him without killing him? REALLY?

                  [–]NaughtyUnicorn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                  You're assuming they killed him. There's no evidence of that.

                  [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                  Well, yeah, ASSUMING he died. But either way, kneeing somebody in the neck for minutes at a time, is not okay.

                  [–]AFutureConcern 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                  They probably thought he was just lying. He already told them:

                  • He didn't do nothing (he did)
                  • He's not resisting (he was)
                  • He has claustrophobia (he didn't)
                  • He's getting in the car (he wasn't)
                  • He's not a bad guy (he was)

                  Why is it such a stretch to believe that when he says he can't breathe, that he could?

                  [–]slushpilot 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                  I agree with you on one thing: the cops did not assess his breathing and failed in their duty of care once he was unconscious. As soon as he went limp, they should have turned him over and checked him, like the bystanders were telling them to do.

                  But, you could also argue that they did the best they could for what they suspected was a bad drug episode. I'm no expert but I could imagine that what they did was following protocol, and done for good reasons to try and save his life. Something like this seems reasonable:

                  1. Keep him restrained so he's not a danger to himself and people around him, until paramedics can arrive and sedate him. They will need you to have a handle on him when they get there, so don't let go when you already have him in a good position. The sooner he is sedated, the sooner he can be assessed and treated. Minutes count.
                  2. If he's drugged up, keep him down in a position so he doesn't choke on his own vomit.
                  3. Hold his head down, if he's delirious he might just smash his face into the ground. The cop would want to prevent that since it would also protect him from accusations of beating the suspect's face.

                  What bothers me most is that they didn't reassess anything once they observed that he was no longer moving. That's a huge failure, but I don't think it counts as murder: once he was unconscious the guy could've died anyway.

                  Above all, throughout this video you can see how the cops are very patient with him, and you can see that whatever happened was not because of malice or racism. It's sad that he died, but there is some gray area in what happened with regard to the police's intent. Unfortunately I don't think these cops can get a fair trial now with the way the whole situation was framed.

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                    [–][deleted] 17 insightful - 4 fun17 insightful - 3 fun18 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

                    no wonder cops wanted this released and BLM didn't

                    [–]Soloninja 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                    It goes against BLM narrative this whole time. Probably loses so much creditbility in the movement. Now I feel bad for the police

                    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                    sometimes the cops or govt don't want to release video or delete it on accident, that's when I get suspicious. Law should be to just release everything right away that day.

                    [–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 10 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

                    'I can't breathe'

                    'Is that because you're high as shit on Fentanyl?'

                    'YOU RAAACISS!!'

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                      [–]RuckFeddit 9 insightful - 8 fun9 insightful - 7 fun10 insightful - 8 fun -  (1 child)

                      Commit crime, be sent to jail
                      Tell judge you have claustrophobia
                      Be released from jail, charges dropped

                      How has nobody done this?

                      [–]Questionable 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

                      He had enough fentanyl in his system to kill three men. Under ADA... Oh sorry, none of that matters. None of that matters at all! He had overdosed to a degree three times higher than any human had ever survived.

                      [–]Edge_Finder 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                      no he didnt

                      11 ng/mL

                      but he also had metabolites in him 5.6 ng/mL

                      so it kinda debunks the theory that he ate his stash. Mind you Flyond wasnt a little guy.. oh he also had meth in system 19 ng/mL he probably snorted meth with fentanyl in it... and smoked some weed since he had that too

                      he died of excited delirium

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                        [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                        He clearly identified himself as a claustrophobic.

                        State of this comment. They literally pulled him out of the driver's seat of a car.

                        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                        Well. He was at the wheel of his own car, no problem. Then, being put in the back of a large squad car, roughly the same cabin space, he's claustrophobic? I don't buy that, and neither should the officer.

                        [–]GConly 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                        He clearly identified himself as a claustrophobic.

                        He was apparently fine to sit in his own car though.

                        [–]Nwabudike_Morgan 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

                        It really seems the guy was dying from an overdose. The police did a stupid thing, but it was a bad situation. Floyd's name and image is already being removed from murals.

                        Anyone remember the story of Matthew Shepard? The "official" story is that he was tortured and killed as a hate crime by two strangers. A guy wrote a book a few years ago with the story that Shepard was actually a meth dealer, and the guys who killed him were involved with the drug scene. It is a narrative that instantly makes more sense. BUT the version where Shepard's murder was a homophobic hate crime was much better marketing for the LGB movement, and it was leveraged to add "hate crime aggravation" penalties to violent crimes. Also, the killers would have had to admit to being in Shepard's circle of gay friends, which would not be good for them in prison.

                        [–]yayblueberries 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                        In the U.S. if you're gay or black you have some level of immunity to treat other people like total shit, because leftists will just say that when you finally get your due, it was a hate crime.

                        [–]FediNetizen 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                        Getting killed isn't "getting your due".

                        [–]unUSEFULidiot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                        He wasn't "killed." The video very clearly supports the findings of the official autopsy which is that he died of a heart attack brought on by drug use amongst a number of other things

                        [–]FediNetizen 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                        very clearly

                        Keep telling yourself that, bud.

                        [–]unUSEFULidiot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                        Not an argument, brainlet

                        [–]Edge_Finder 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                        It really seems the guy was dying from an overdose.

                        i dont think he did, but died of excited delirium

                        It is a narrative that instantly makes more sense. BUT the version where Shepard's murder was a homophobic hate crime was much better marketing for the LGB movement,

                        Never believe MSM lies

                        the killers would have had to admit to being in Shepard's circle of gay friends, which would not be good for them in prison.

                        in 98 hmmmm maybe, you just do your shit you'd be fine

                        [–][deleted] 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                        Can we address the MASSIVE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM HERE?

                        This motherfucker was about to FUCKING DRIVE!!

                        He had fentynol and meth up his ass and was tweaking out like crazy. And people are mad a gun was pulled on him? People are mad that he wasn't allowed to go on his way?

                        Where the fuck is Mothers Against Drunk Driving? This dude could have easily barreled into school bus stopping or splattered someone's grandparents.

                        [–]Fetus_inhaler 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                        To me, something just did not seem, real to me in some way, I pushed that feeling aside, and now look at this!

                        [–]Zednix 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                        Crazy. He died of being jacked up on drugs and a failing body. It's a damn shame that the cops were not more trained to deal with medical issues.

                        [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                        we won't fix the current system until we have sound money, the usd dollar is corrupt and they can print endless amount of money

                        this is the root of the problem, the black people shooting is a distraction,

                        something is odd about this video, why is a grown man crying saying "dont shoot me"

                        he keeps yelling and is not listening to the officer, is this normal for black americans people?

                        luckily for me, i live in a white neighbourhood and no black people around,

                        But from the videos online that i see, it always seem like black americans cant understand simple commands,

                        they are loud, and always causing a commotion,

                        this is probably because of years of failed eduction and a government that prints endless money and causes endless wars,

                        the previous US administrations do not care about the citizens, as we can see Clinton was raping young girls and lying about sexual relations

                        its a big mess, and the only way to fix it , is to implement a new monetary system

                        money were governments arent able to print endless money, the bankers are the problem

                        now, i say black americans, because black africans from africa are much more civilized

                        there was something wrong with george floyd,

                        was he on drugs? or did he just have a low iq?

                        his death was used against low IQ americans to start a BLM movement,
                        the left leaning americans arent very bright!

                        the USA is big mess!

                        i think bitcoin should be the new world's reserve currency,

                        [–]justjoggin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                        I agree with your take on sound money. But With bitcoin, Don’t processing fees and processing time jump way up the more people there are using it?

                        I remember when it jumped to 18000, it was ridiculous. Pioneering merchants said “f this,” and dropped it. Too much trouble.

                        And what incentive is there to run a worker server when all the mineable bitcoin runs out? I don’t know much about how it works.

                        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                        Yes. You are right. The processing fees and time jumped up when there was a lot of people using it. During 2017 it was an attack on Bitcoin. The big banks hired people to pump and dump shitloads of money into Bitcoin. Their plan was to buy most of it up and dump it. They thought it would go down so low that people would get scared and loose interest. That would be the end of Bitcoin. Turns out. It wasn't.

                        There is hardcore people who know that Bitcoin is the future and will destroy the Banks without ever shooting a bullet. The will not sell just for a pump and dump.

                        Bitcoin is still in high development everyday. Most people use the excuse that Bitcoin is not able to handle the whole world and so it's useless. But since Bitcoin was invented. It has been getting constant upgrades and new features. They added more features such as segwit which is able to send money cheaper and quicker. They even developed a second layer called Lightning.

                        Bitcoin is like the internet. It keeps getting more technical and more features to make it faster and better. It's always innovating.

                        The bankers and governments hate Bitcoin. Because they cannot control it.

                        Now, by running a Bitocin miner, yes the incentive is to make money from transactions. After that, someday in the long long future when all the Bitcoin are mined. The incentive is to verify the transactions, and get a small amount of profit. But profit is vey small.

                        That is perfect. I mean, most people dont like the fact that all people care about if profit profit profit. The incentive will be to keep the Bitcoin system running and helping the world become free of Banking Institutions. It's a very good incentive.

                        Bitcoin has come a long way and will continue to become faster and better. We are the early adopters.
                        It's going to fix many of the problems around the world that the banking institutions caused and continue to produce.

                        Its simply the future. Its hard for people who don't understand computers or money to understand it. But i suggest you start to learn it.

                        Free yourself and opt out of the System. Buy Bitcoin

                        [–]Overdrive 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                        This shit is already getting rug swept on reddit and I get it to a point because you care about the people who get injured or killed, but you have to look at the video.

                        If he hadn't died, this could've been just another episode of COPS. You struggle, you make it worse. That's how it goes. If you're fucked up enough to struggle and end up on the ground, that's on you. EVEN still, cops are trained to handle you as best they can even if you're drugged out and delirious.

                        Are there racist cops? Sure. But that's not this. This looks like another policing accident. This movement sprang from this? They're attacking cops but what about free healthcare and college education? That'd be a universal solution that'd elevate everyone out of poverty. What about ending the drug war? That'd halt the stupid amount of arrests over negligible drug charges. Nope. Stop the police it's the police that needs to go. This movement wants to eradicate racism and punish something that protects them 9 times out of 10. Jesus.

                        [–]scrubking[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                        They're attacking cops but what about free healthcare and college education? That'd be a universal solution that'd elevate everyone out of poverty.

                        No it wouldn't.

                        [–]forgottenpasswordguy 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

                        Next thing y'all will be saying Breonna Taylor and Daniel Shaver deserved what they got and the police didn't do anything wrong there. My wild take is that most police are good, but we do have a problem where bad ones aren't held accountable to the standards they should be. End qualified immunity, end civil asset forfeiture, keep the budgets the same but put more money into training and less into military gear.

                        [–]Hadza 10 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

                        She lived with a drug dealer, what did she expect?

                        y'all

                        [–]quickbeam 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                        Yup. This is a great point. It's a huge disservice to the many cops who are upholding professional standards and acting according to the Constitution to allow terrible cops to continue working. It stains the whole profession and probably makes it a lot harder for the good cops to do their jobs. Granted, I think these good police should speak up and say as much, but I understand there could be significant institutional pressure on them. The "ACAB" people aren't helping either.

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                          [–]kokolokoNightcrawler 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                          RIP dude, cos you had very little of it while you were alive. Teach the police how to recognize genuine medical distress, or care at all. Every time a suspect dies or is injured under their custody, all cops involved should take a 10K pay cut. You'll see then levels of professionalism never witnessed before.

                          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                          Agreed! Enough with the pig-thugs! They need to learn to respect people! "Serve and protect" my ass, more like "self-serve and oppress".

                          And sure, yeah, there are decent people who are cops. But most of them will go along with the thuggery when peer-pressured into it. And that's a huge, huge problem.

                          If you deny that, you are in denial of reality itself. Good luck with the fantasy of your imaginary life.

                          [–]Itbecauseitis 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                          Police should still be held accountable for their actions. We are in dire need of rewriting some of our police policies. This does change things a little, though. They looked like they were trying to work with him. They said we will roll down the windows, etc.

                          Still... If a guy is having a panic attack, and screaming that he can't breathe, putting all/most of your body weight on the nape of his neck probably isn't the best idea.

                          This story keeps getting more interesting, that is for sure.

                          [–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                          Floyd the Landlord?

                          The rent is too damn high.

                          [–]binrobinro 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                          "Muh caint breave" would be more like it.

                          [–]robo1p 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                          I wouldn't want to be anywhere near a major city once the cops are acquitted/given a slap on the wrist.

                          [–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                          He said "I can't breathe" among many other things in the context of a supposed claustrophobic panic attack. It's totally different from the actual "I can't breathe" that he kept repeating for several minutes because Chauvin had his knee on his neck.