What are the arguments for segregation?

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[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (38 children)

We are truly hopeless. No, you don't defend against tyranny with tyranny. You don't defend against prejudice with prejudice. You don't defend against injustice with injustice. You don't defend against evil with evil. Are people now incapable of seeing people as anything more than assets of a group? If you, in response to anti-white SJWs, respond by hating blacks, will this not only trigger them further and push them to even more extremity against whites? And will it not only feed into their narrative about those who don't bow to them, that we're all a bunch of white supremacists? How does this solve anything, and not make things even worse than they already were? Do not fight evil with evil, but overcome evil with good.

[–]EuropeanAwakening14 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

Advocating for my racial interests doesn't mean that I hate anyone or I'm a supremacist. Yawn. You don't even know what we believe. Go back to the drawing board and try again, bud. They already hate you for being White, dumbass. They literally celebrate when there are less White people. Less White people to them = less White supremacy. White people existing is White supremacy. How are there still people as naive as you after the past 10 years is beyond me.

You're just a liberal. You have a really strange attachment to 1960s era liberal.platitudes about racial equality and it's kind of weird because the system abandoned that rhetoric decades ago.

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

Yeah, so both of you are idiots who think our lives should revolve around race and social classes instead of treating people like people.

This was the conservative position and still sort of is on this issue. But more and more people are abandoning it for an excuse to fight.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

We don't want to fight. We just want self determination. Africa for africans, Europe for Europeans, Asia for asians, etc

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Why is that necessary, to separate and exclude people for no reason?

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

You can have your multiethnic society too. We just don't want to live in it

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

If we can have our multiethnic society, then why are you trying to take over the United States of America and other multiethnic societies?

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

am I? I live in Denmark

I just want my home country for my own people. It is not too much to ask. You can make your own multiethnic country. Don't invade ours.

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

There is a huge faction trying to take over the United States. And a lot of people are forced to play along with it because they "need" this to stop the radical left.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You can just make your own multiethnic state or nation. the US was founded as a white only union. Why do you have to invade what we, whites, have created?

[–]EuropeanAwakening14 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Why is race "no reason" to you?

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you have a reason that's yours to explain. You don't get to have your position presumed and the burden of proof always on everyone else.

[–]EuropeanAwakening14 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

This doesn't address anything that's been said. You're just calling everything evil and saying we want to kill all your precious blacks and fags. Literal nonsense responses.

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Yeah, people being individuals with God-given rights, and authoritarian governments and discrimination and persecution and torture being wrong. What utter nonsense.

[–]KimiORabu[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It is utter nonsense. People don't have "god-given" rights. And authoritarianism isn't "wrong" in and of itself. We decide whether or not something is wrong

You decided it's wrong. I decided it isn't. Both libertarianism and authoritarianism are synonymous with breach of "right" to liberty. You "force" yourself on authoritarians, not letting them do what they want to do. Authoritarians "force" themselves on you, not letting you do what you want to do. I would go as far as to say libertarianism is authoritarian. Own up to it

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

People have God-given rights. And if not, it's simply common sense. We don't want to be harmed, so let's not harm each other if possible.

[–]KimiORabu[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's not common sense. It's an opinion. And who said I don't want to be "harmed"? People make me want to bang my head against a wall and cut myself, which I do, and I still get in useless "discussions" with them

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fine, you don't want to be forcibly harmed by others.

[–]EuropeanAwakening14 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Who is talking about torturing people? Who said people can't be individuals? You're just spewing nonsense liberal slop.

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you're seeing everyone in social categories, you aren't seeing individuals.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Yes. I think you are correct, BUT we have passed the time to be civil. Like the other end is nuts.

You are male, right?

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

The solution isn't to become nuts ourselves.

I am male unfortunately, why?

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Liberal? Democratic? Progressive?

The left has gone nuts. Political prosecutions, letting murders roam the streets, etc.

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

And you think becoming the exact same way is going to solve anything?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

That’s like saying the civil war was one side becoming the exact same way.

Unfortunately, the left are violent lunatics. And it takes violence to stop it.

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Even if that's true, it doesn't justify adopting a literal mirror of their ideology.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I’m not, they need to be stopped. They allow violence in the streets, and they are maiming children.

I disagree with your laziefare type of approach.

They need to be stopped.

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Not at the expense of every innocent person. Not at the expense of literally human rights, which is what we were trying to stop them from taking away.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

If you support child genital mutilation, are you innocent?