Return of the alt right? Elon Musk looks to take over Twitter

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[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Less censorship on social media doesn't mean a rise in quality right wing dissent, it means more ascension of the retard right, Trumpism, Aanon, etc.

Twitter has been extremely destructive force to democracy due to its ascension of mob discourse. It is what has mainstreamed the increasingly insane ideology that represents mainstream liberalism. Right wing follows a similar trajectory but in a different direction. However the decay of the liberal mainstream by becoming a reflection of the social media leftwing mob is more destructive because liberals are the custodians of modern culture. When they go off the rails so does society.

The chaos that this increasingly mob driven stupid democratic culture creates many would consider good for the hopes of "collapse" but the right isn't responding to this with new ideology that will rescue society from the mob and establish a heathy civil society. It responds with its own mob driven chaos(represented most clearly on Jan. 6 2020). Thus without a true dissent force the decay or collapse of current system just leads to a power vacuums that gets taken by military dictatorship which will likely be bought out and controlled by the globalist elite because there is no organized dissent force with leaders to take advantage of the situation.

Maybe I have gone off topic but long story short I don't care about twitter. Whether it is filled with leftists or rightists I think its influence is negative. I have seen how much of the clown world today is a direct result of our real society being integrated with this social media town hall. Any ideal future nation would see the negative effects of integrating the culture with a mob driven mass social media site and make sure to ban it and never allow the re-creation of any site similar.

It would have actually been much better for him to take over youtube as the freedom of the Right on there would have a much more positive influence than the inherently stupid discourse that dominates twitter.

[–]shilldetector 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

When radicalcentrist agrees with every thing you said, it's time to rethink things.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yah but just because u/radicalfag says he agrees, doesn't mean he actually agrees. He's play pretend liking a shrewd observation because he sees that as way to "fit in" after being called out by you for his bullshit.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

No, I agree with him 100%. Elon should have bought Youtube instead.

Twitter is just a collection of posts you can find on any message board/blog etc. Youtube is actual video history that makes it impossible to replace.

[–]shilldetector 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Twitter can link to alternative video channels, so it's at least potentially more valuable than youtube, and Musk would never have been able to buy youtube even if he wanted to(he probably did).

[–]Erasmus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

the right isn't responding to this with new ideology that will rescue society from the mob and establish a healthy civil society.

What would this look like, in your opinion?

I basically agree that, ironically, a site that excludes the extremes and presents itself as a moderate liberal site is actually better for us than a site that supports absolute free speech or is overtly oriented to the right. I think of all traffic the old /r/DebateAltRight subreddit got, and how the rules that constrained discourse there actually elevated it to one of the best pro-White sites on the Web. So effective they had to ban it completely.

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well to go in depth would take a longer post than I feel like writing so I will give the shorter answer.

To truly "rescue" society I think would involve a much more radical shift in world outlook and politics than is realistic right now so I will give some realistic aspects of the modern right that can be improved.

I would describe the modern liberal/left as anti cultural. They are a cultural force but are completely destructive. However the mainstream right is a non cultural force therefore they cannot combat this cultural destruction because they have nothing to replace it with. Therefore there needs to be rise in academic/intellectual quality of what represents the mainstream dissent and just as important there needs to be the rise of a new artistic culture which the lame modern conservatives will never be able to do.

There must also be a rejection of the conservative cult of anti state and anti authority, that character of the mainstream right makes it worthless. In an American context even civic nationalism would be a step in the right direction but even that doesn't exist. A rejection of mass immigration culture and formation of a true national community is essential. Mainstream right still worships the free market and pretends the threat of the Left has something to do with economics. Conservatives show a completely lack of interest in combating the modern globalist financial and economic system. Any national movement needs to seek to have a nationalist economic policy.

Positive trends on these issues are shown from the far right community but still a very small minority compared to widespread nonsense that represents the mainstream right.

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I would like to raise two points that you haven't addressed. First, some guys like Keith, for example, have done really well on Twitter despite what you claim to be the low quality of the platform, so we know that it is possible to succeed there. Second, even if Twitter is not a good platform for influencing mainstream discourse - which I actually think it is - there is still the fact that it allows people to organise and communicate, to form connections. In my experience, Twitter had the most diverse and dynamic right wing subculture, although of course there were plenty of grifters.

Any ideal future nation would see the negative effects of integrating the culture with a mob driven mass social media site and make sure to ban it and never allow the re-creation of any site similar.

Maybe that is true, but that would be quite long term. The conditions are very different today.

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Keith on twitter is a perfect example of how twitter inherently encourages a dumbing down of commentary. He would often go multiple days doing nothing but engaging in dumb twitter drama with people like "Mark Brahmin". The rest of the time it would mostly be posting memes and an occasional hot take. Nothing of value compared to his youtube channel.

I am not against the right getting back on twitter, I just don't think it will have much of a positive influence. I will say that I would prefer Trump remained banned because of how much I hate Trump hysteria(both pro and anti) and want him to fade away.

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I disagree. There was a lot of good information on Keith's Twitter, not to mention the other advantages of the platform.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nobody watches his videos I'm sure, they're too long and monotone. For one Keith video I can watch one Star Trek episode instead.

[–]DisgustResponse 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Man, some of you will turn anything into a blackpill.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Agreed. We should take this as a win. I don't think Elon is on our side but this will, in theory, allow more debate on a very large platform. That helps us.

I guess too many of us are eternal doomers and can't imagine ever having things really go our way. That's why I try to focus on fixing things more locally in my physical space and I try not to stress out about internet discourse.

[–]MythOfPrivilege 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If this results in a person being able to publicly post "It's okay to be white" without being banned, then it's a massive win. That's all it would take. Any reversal of the censorship would start a trend of it unraveling everywhere. If we can come out of this being able to say things like "White people exist as a group and have their own interests" it would be revolutionary.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Dooming causes inaction and depression. I strongly believe that dooming was spread intentionally in alt right spheres with nefarious aims in mind.

We aren't eternal doomers. Take the golden pill. Society has already fallen, we are the greats who are rebuilding in the ashes of civilisation.

Cheers and good on you for fixing things more locally, I'm doing the same and with good results

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you, I agree with everything you said.

[–]shilldetector 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It would have actually been much better for him to take over youtube as the freedom of the Right on there would have a much more positive influence than the inherently stupid discourse that dominates twitter.

You honestly think the Jews that controlled google would have sold Musk Youtube, one of their crown jewels? Of course not. Twitter was the only social media they didn't have total control over. Google and Youtube are obviously more important, but you are underestimating the potential of twitter, especially if it's the only semi free speech platform left. Twitter isnt all about 280 character snippets. It is a hub that can link to other media, thereby circumventing google to an extent. You also have to understand that attention spans are getting shorter and shorter, so 280 characters is about as much as many zoomer brains can handle before they lose interest.

Of course Jewish power will now try to destroy twitter and Musk, starting with advertisers and possibly resulting in politicians owned by them legislating explicit anti free speech laws that will target Musk and others. They're already working on both right now.