all 32 comments

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Less censorship on social media doesn't mean a rise in quality right wing dissent, it means more ascension of the retard right, Trumpism, Aanon, etc.

Twitter has been extremely destructive force to democracy due to its ascension of mob discourse. It is what has mainstreamed the increasingly insane ideology that represents mainstream liberalism. Right wing follows a similar trajectory but in a different direction. However the decay of the liberal mainstream by becoming a reflection of the social media leftwing mob is more destructive because liberals are the custodians of modern culture. When they go off the rails so does society.

The chaos that this increasingly mob driven stupid democratic culture creates many would consider good for the hopes of "collapse" but the right isn't responding to this with new ideology that will rescue society from the mob and establish a heathy civil society. It responds with its own mob driven chaos(represented most clearly on Jan. 6 2020). Thus without a true dissent force the decay or collapse of current system just leads to a power vacuums that gets taken by military dictatorship which will likely be bought out and controlled by the globalist elite because there is no organized dissent force with leaders to take advantage of the situation.

Maybe I have gone off topic but long story short I don't care about twitter. Whether it is filled with leftists or rightists I think its influence is negative. I have seen how much of the clown world today is a direct result of our real society being integrated with this social media town hall. Any ideal future nation would see the negative effects of integrating the culture with a mob driven mass social media site and make sure to ban it and never allow the re-creation of any site similar.

It would have actually been much better for him to take over youtube as the freedom of the Right on there would have a much more positive influence than the inherently stupid discourse that dominates twitter.

[–]shilldetector 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

When radicalcentrist agrees with every thing you said, it's time to rethink things.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yah but just because u/radicalfag says he agrees, doesn't mean he actually agrees. He's play pretend liking a shrewd observation because he sees that as way to "fit in" after being called out by you for his bullshit.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

No, I agree with him 100%. Elon should have bought Youtube instead.

Twitter is just a collection of posts you can find on any message board/blog etc. Youtube is actual video history that makes it impossible to replace.

[–]shilldetector 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Twitter can link to alternative video channels, so it's at least potentially more valuable than youtube, and Musk would never have been able to buy youtube even if he wanted to(he probably did).

[–]Erasmus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

the right isn't responding to this with new ideology that will rescue society from the mob and establish a healthy civil society.

What would this look like, in your opinion?

I basically agree that, ironically, a site that excludes the extremes and presents itself as a moderate liberal site is actually better for us than a site that supports absolute free speech or is overtly oriented to the right. I think of all traffic the old /r/DebateAltRight subreddit got, and how the rules that constrained discourse there actually elevated it to one of the best pro-White sites on the Web. So effective they had to ban it completely.

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well to go in depth would take a longer post than I feel like writing so I will give the shorter answer.

To truly "rescue" society I think would involve a much more radical shift in world outlook and politics than is realistic right now so I will give some realistic aspects of the modern right that can be improved.

I would describe the modern liberal/left as anti cultural. They are a cultural force but are completely destructive. However the mainstream right is a non cultural force therefore they cannot combat this cultural destruction because they have nothing to replace it with. Therefore there needs to be rise in academic/intellectual quality of what represents the mainstream dissent and just as important there needs to be the rise of a new artistic culture which the lame modern conservatives will never be able to do.

There must also be a rejection of the conservative cult of anti state and anti authority, that character of the mainstream right makes it worthless. In an American context even civic nationalism would be a step in the right direction but even that doesn't exist. A rejection of mass immigration culture and formation of a true national community is essential. Mainstream right still worships the free market and pretends the threat of the Left has something to do with economics. Conservatives show a completely lack of interest in combating the modern globalist financial and economic system. Any national movement needs to seek to have a nationalist economic policy.

Positive trends on these issues are shown from the far right community but still a very small minority compared to widespread nonsense that represents the mainstream right.

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I would like to raise two points that you haven't addressed. First, some guys like Keith, for example, have done really well on Twitter despite what you claim to be the low quality of the platform, so we know that it is possible to succeed there. Second, even if Twitter is not a good platform for influencing mainstream discourse - which I actually think it is - there is still the fact that it allows people to organise and communicate, to form connections. In my experience, Twitter had the most diverse and dynamic right wing subculture, although of course there were plenty of grifters.

Any ideal future nation would see the negative effects of integrating the culture with a mob driven mass social media site and make sure to ban it and never allow the re-creation of any site similar.

Maybe that is true, but that would be quite long term. The conditions are very different today.

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Keith on twitter is a perfect example of how twitter inherently encourages a dumbing down of commentary. He would often go multiple days doing nothing but engaging in dumb twitter drama with people like "Mark Brahmin". The rest of the time it would mostly be posting memes and an occasional hot take. Nothing of value compared to his youtube channel.

I am not against the right getting back on twitter, I just don't think it will have much of a positive influence. I will say that I would prefer Trump remained banned because of how much I hate Trump hysteria(both pro and anti) and want him to fade away.

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I disagree. There was a lot of good information on Keith's Twitter, not to mention the other advantages of the platform.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nobody watches his videos I'm sure, they're too long and monotone. For one Keith video I can watch one Star Trek episode instead.

[–]DisgustResponse 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Man, some of you will turn anything into a blackpill.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Agreed. We should take this as a win. I don't think Elon is on our side but this will, in theory, allow more debate on a very large platform. That helps us.

I guess too many of us are eternal doomers and can't imagine ever having things really go our way. That's why I try to focus on fixing things more locally in my physical space and I try not to stress out about internet discourse.

[–]MythOfPrivilege 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If this results in a person being able to publicly post "It's okay to be white" without being banned, then it's a massive win. That's all it would take. Any reversal of the censorship would start a trend of it unraveling everywhere. If we can come out of this being able to say things like "White people exist as a group and have their own interests" it would be revolutionary.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Dooming causes inaction and depression. I strongly believe that dooming was spread intentionally in alt right spheres with nefarious aims in mind.

We aren't eternal doomers. Take the golden pill. Society has already fallen, we are the greats who are rebuilding in the ashes of civilisation.

Cheers and good on you for fixing things more locally, I'm doing the same and with good results

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you, I agree with everything you said.

[–]shilldetector 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It would have actually been much better for him to take over youtube as the freedom of the Right on there would have a much more positive influence than the inherently stupid discourse that dominates twitter.

You honestly think the Jews that controlled google would have sold Musk Youtube, one of their crown jewels? Of course not. Twitter was the only social media they didn't have total control over. Google and Youtube are obviously more important, but you are underestimating the potential of twitter, especially if it's the only semi free speech platform left. Twitter isnt all about 280 character snippets. It is a hub that can link to other media, thereby circumventing google to an extent. You also have to understand that attention spans are getting shorter and shorter, so 280 characters is about as much as many zoomer brains can handle before they lose interest.

Of course Jewish power will now try to destroy twitter and Musk, starting with advertisers and possibly resulting in politicians owned by them legislating explicit anti free speech laws that will target Musk and others. They're already working on both right now.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Can you imagine when big alt right accounts with millions of followers aren't being silenced

No, please stop. This isn't going to happen. Twitter-by-Musk isn't going to allow hate facts, race realism, JQ, or any other racist momentum. Musk is bringing back my pillow guy and Donald Trump so he can dupe people into going to federal prison for him again.

How in the fuck is anyone being duped by this bullshit? You will soon be able to argue with your friends about ivermectin again. Knock yourself out.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Twitter-by-Musk isn't going to allow hate facts, race realism, JQ, or any other racist momentum

Source?

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

isn't going to allow hate facts, race realism, JQ, or any other racist momentum

I predict it will but it will probably mandate that they come from 'verified' accounts which means Musk will make anonymity go away (and many of us might just walk right into that trap). That's a potential problem for dissidents.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

probably mandate that they come from 'verified' accounts

He's already stated there will be human verification to prevent bots, which will obviously serve more than one purpose.

But i suspect this is more of scam to bring back retard right trumpist rhetoric than a trap for dissidents, but to your point it might serve both purposes.

I don't see how twitter can possibly allow hate facts again without antifa and niggers chimping out over it. I don't see Musk and the board standing up to the woke mob.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't see Musk and the board standing up to the woke mob.

Fair point. We'll have to see how far his 'free speech absolutism' actually goes.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, I am afraid that "freedom of speech" will require giving up on anonymity which means you don't have freedom of speech.

[–]TrabWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I'm real late to this but I just saw Borzoi got banned again and I'm assuming same with most TRS guys.

[–]shilldetector 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Jesus some of this comments. Quit your fuckin whining and take the W. No one is saying Musk is going to save humanity from the J's, but it's a positive step in the right direction. If nothing else it'll be fun watching cucks rage quit twitter.

[–]LGBTQIAIDSAnally Injected Death Sentence 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why is it that the usual Left-liberal types seem to seriously both fear and hate Elon Musk, to the point that so many of them are going on right now about how want to delete their Twitter accounts? Is it just because they've become so radicalized to the extent they can't even stand being reminded of a White (?) male simply succeeding in life, a la their unending ressentiment towards Trump? Over these past few months there's been an insane level of Musk Derangement Syndrome... and the guy isn't even in politics. Imagine the tears if he one day becomes President!?

I bet he's even a Democrat voter, and would only differ in that he's much more libertarian, especially insofar as economics is concerned: he talks about lowering taxes and cutting red tape a lot when asked about his political views. Is it that they prefer the censoriousness of the existing Twitter because they can't really function outside of these massive safe spaces, in places where they're bombarded constantly with 'mansplaining', 'microaggressions', 'triggers' and so forth? That the safe space of Twitter gives a kind of psychological comfort that they feel that Musk is threatening?

I'm not exactly a Twitter user (never made a Tweet) but I do share Dragonerne's enthusiasm simply because, with the DR having been deplatformed along with Trumpism, TERFs and some other groups from the whole surface web, it does look like a potential way to get back on there. Generally, the more groups consisting of those who have been unpersoned that operate in a particular space, the more we are—as one of those groups—able to thrive by blending in with the rest of them. We're on Saidit precisely because a handful of TERFs and 'LGBdroptheT' people also are; we're on .win precisely because thousands of Trumpists also are. The presence of multiple unpersoned groups in a particular space helps to normalize each one of them.

After all, the average shithead tranny moderator out there can't tell the difference between Trumpism and the DR, it's all 'Far-Right' to xem, and so if the former becomes acceptable, the likes of Keith Woods will fit back in just fine.

I obviously agree that a hypothetical DR Twitter account with millions of followers wouldn't last, but it's not as though Keith Woods or anyone else who runs in these circles was anywhere near a million followers when they were banned in the first place.

[–]Richard_Parker 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Black Pigeon Speaks has a pretty good take on this:

https://youtu.be/sb2J9s_202w

[–]MythOfPrivilege 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's nice to see that BPS hasn't been banned from YT. At this point I just go straight to Odysee.

[–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I use Odysee for the Duran when I.wabt it in the background. I like YouTube on mobile bc I can reduce the window size.

[–]shilldetector 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It doesnt matter if tweets themselves are stupid. Twitter serves as a link to other media. It's a way to circumvent Joogle.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He is going to purge the wokes, he won't let the Nazis in. He is trying to get a broader audience, and most people is not willing to deal with constant "Jew bad"

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The la-li-lu-le-lo will stop this!