Why do Arabs and Indians have such a positive image of Hitler? Anyone knowledgeable on eastern affairs care to explain why Arabs seem to view Hitler in a positive light?

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Anyone knowledgeable on eastern affairs care to explain why Arabs seem to view Hitler in a positive light? As far as I know, Hitler had little to do with Arabs.

To illustrate, take a look at this arabic video on Hitler. Some of the top comments are as follows:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE0zlENHzN4

'History is written by the victor'

'Why do you follow the method of media disinformation and bias for this report and work to demonize Hitler and his Minister of Information, as if the countries that Hitler fought were angelic and oppressed.. Please follow neutrality in your videos because your method indicates that you are more victims of media misinformation than the German people in the time of Joseph Goebbels'

'No matter how you distort the facts, Hitler and the Nazi Party remain the best of what modern history has done.'

'The West hates Hitler because killing Jews, why do we Arabs Hate Hitler? Shouldn't we respect Hitler?'

'Your bias is clear, we respect Hitler for what he did.'

This realization that much of the world views the likes of Churchill, the Rothschilds and America as the antagonists is quite the shock, when in the American mythos, the axis is seen as a satanic entity.

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[–]AidsVictim69 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's principally German opposition to the British empire and support for nationalist anti British movements during that time, although it never really manifested in any material way (and likely would have stopped or even reversed in the event of German victory). The principals of ethnic nationalism are also highly popular in these areas on their own with some political parties like the Syrian Nationalist Party semi-explicitly modeled after the German Nationalist Socialist platform.

[–]Oingo[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Never knew that. Very odd most people in the west would have no realization of this dynamic.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's far more to it than this. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (leader of Palestinian people at the time) spent WW2 inside of Germany. Germany worked with the Arabic liberation movements and were welcomed as liberators when their military men showed up in various Arab countries.

Ba'athism is based on National Socialism, but a pan-Arabic form rather than pan-European. The Syrian Social-Nationalist Party (SSNP) is more of an early NS IE purely German movement. They are purely nationalists for Syrians, whereas Ba'athism represents what Fascism and NS evolved into during the 30s, to be most of a pan-Racial IE entirely European movement.

Post-war SS members and other German veterans continued working with Arab states, particularly Nasser's Egypt and they helped arm the Algerian independence from France.

In India Germany helped Subhas Chandra Bose to liberate India from British rule. As mentioned by others there was an Indian SS legion, there were also muslim ones, mostly made up of Balkan white muslims though, some Arabs did fight on the side of the Axis in the Wehrmacht I think rather than the SS.

The Germans post-war also worked with South American national liberation movements. While the Third Reich was about I'm not sure if they worked with the Irish but they made pro-Irish propaganda (My Life For Ireland).

They were largely seen as anti-capitalist, national liberators around the world. It was only the International Finance (jew controlled) powers that painted them as imperialist maniacs trying to take over the whole world. Ironically the 4 states they fought against Britain, France, America, Soviet Union, all controlled vast empires, basically the entire Earth.

Edit: Just remembered, when I was about 16 I knew some muslim kids, some pakistanis some arabs. They were telling me the holocaust didn't happen but that Hitler was sent by Allah as a punishment for jewish crimes. Funny little story.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hitler for many countries that were part of empires at the time represented a powerful figure of national liberation. NS Germany also had positive relations with Irish Nationalists for the same reason. There's an enemy of my enemy is my friend element, a cynical and/or opportunistic element to the relationship on both sides I think but for many who sought to liberate themselves from empire -- white, brown, blue or otherwise -- Hitler and NS Germany was viewed as on the side of the angels.

It's also important to note as well that despite the common myth the NS racial worldview was much more nuanced and much less black and white -- har de har -- than say the American one was at the time.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

For Arabs it's entirely slave morality. I don't buy for a second that they've ever sided with Hitler's racial views. Arab men are notorious for lusting over blonde women, so they reject his racial ideology. It's all about the Jews. They hate Jews and that's the only reason why they "love" Hitler. They're filled with ressentiment towards Jews - and Israel in particular - because they can't beat them. Arabs are some of the biggest losers on the planet. They can't get anything right. Israel's very existence is like a permanent humiliation for them. They've never tried to build something better in comparison to Israel. They've only tried to destroy Israel, and they've failed miserably every single time. It's utterly pathetic. I have zero sympathy for them. Europeans should stay out of that conflict no matter what.

As far as Indians are concerned, it's probably because Hitler was fighting the British empire. That combined with the whole Aryan mythological aspect of Nazism explains the fascination on both sides. Personally, I'll take Indians over Arabs any day of the week.

By the way, the reason I like Hitler isn't because of his views on Jews. It's mostly because of his positive vision. You can say about the man what you want but he was a visionary.

[–]wormbloat 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

many Arab nations fought under axis banner in the middle east and africa. Not sure about indians

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Indian POWs captured by Germany and Japan were reorganized into the military of the Indian revolutionary movement led by Subash Chandra Bose which never really materialized when the time came. Bose himself had communist sympathies but allied with the Axis as he realized the Soviets wouldn't help him. He wasn't really a fan of National Socialism but wanted a combination of Italian Fascism and Russian Communism in India.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Legion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_National_Army

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

This realization that much of the world views the likes of Churchill, the Rothschilds and America as the antagonists is quite the shock, when in the American mythos, the axis is seen as a satanic entity.

The media has brainwashed people to believe Hitler was the final boss of racism, even though the British and French Empires literally colonized the world's non-white populations, the USA had Jim Crow/Segregation and the Soviet Union was a Slavic ethnostate with strict border controls.

In reality, Hitler was never "racist" and literally his best ally in the war where the Japanese. Which as we all know... were Asian.

Also as pointed out, plenty of non-whites actually fought for the Wehrmacht.

https://files.catbox.moe/ckvbim.jpg

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

the Soviet Union was a Slavic ethnostate with strict border controls.

The Soviet Union can be characterised in many ways, but not as an ethnostate.

In reality, Hitler was never "racist" and literally his best ally in the war where the Japanese. Which as we all know... were Asian.

"The Allies were the real racists" doesn't sound right either.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

"The Allies were the real racists" doesn't sound right either.

Everyone was racist back then.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Yes, but it's just wrong to suggest that the Allies were racist and Hitler was not.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Obviously.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

if hitler was racist why ally with the japanese, a different race

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What a stupid question. A racist is perfectly capable of making serious distinctions between different races. I'm as racist as they come but that doesn't mean that I equate East Asians with sub-Saharan Africans. I - just like Hitler - admire and respect East Asians.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

are you saying the japanese race is better than others? you're racist. heh heh.

[–]negrogreBeing black is anti-white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think it's a perfectly reasonable question to ask what the benefits of allying with East Asians are for proponents of pro-White movements. Admiring them and joining with them are two different things.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

The Soviet Union can be characterised in many ways, but not as an ethnostate.

China and North Korea are modeled after the USSR. Guess how they got to that status and why they lack diversity?

"The Allies were the real racists" doesn't sound right either.

But they were. Even before the war, Olympic athlete Jesse Owens felt treated better in Germany than in the U.S.

[–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Even now, racism is the primary focus of the left, and the explicit platform of the democrat party.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

China and North Korea are modeled after the USSR. Guess how they got to that status and why they lack diversity?

To my knowledge, the USSR was something like 50% Slavic. It was far from an ethnostate. China is also very diverse, although the vast majority of its ethnicities fall under the umbrella term of Han people. North Korean Juche is an entirely different story, it's not purely Marxist.

But they were. Even before the war, Olympic athlete Jesse Owens felt treated better in Germany than in the U.S.

Germany treating a black athlete better does not mean Germany was less racist than the US.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

To my knowledge, the USSR was something like 50% Slavic. It was far from an ethnostate. China is also very diverse, although the vast majority of its ethnicities fall under the umbrella term of Han people. North Korean Juche is an entirely different story, it's not purely Marxist.

I'm going to assume you're a smart person and understand what "diversity" means in this context. Asians surrounded by other Asians, is not the same diversity as Asians surrounded by Blacks, Mexicans, Whites, Jews etc.

And further more, notice how none of the Soviet-inspired governments are trying to flood their own countries with as much random races possible?

Germany treating a black athlete better does not mean Germany was less racist than the US.

Then give your arguments for why you think it's not the case?

Because of the Nuremberg Laws? According to Liberals, racial laws are not bad when other non-whites practice it. Like Native Indians or Jews in Israel. Let alone, those rules were for Germans only. Blacks still lived and worked there, they just had to understand they were like tourists in another country.

If Germany again, just wanted to be racist for the hell of it, why not mass lynch them all like what the U.S had at this time?

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I simply pointed out that he USSR was not an ethnostate. That's all I said.

Then give your arguments for why you think it's not the case?

Would you prefer it if I rephrased myself? Germany treating a black athlete better does not mean Germany was less racialist than the US.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I simply pointed out that he USSR was not an ethnostate. That's all I said.

Then I disagree with your definition of one.

Would you prefer it if I rephrased myself? Germany treating a black athlete better does not mean Germany was less racialist than the US.

I never stated otherwise.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Germans were openly and proudly racist by every definition of the term. Not moralizing that, it's just stating a fact.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

China literally has affirmative action for minorities...

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

They do? So why did they bar Blacks from their Mcdonalds last year? Or putting the Muslims in camps?

I also don't see many (non-Asians) actually immigrating or claiming asylum there.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You realize China is a huge country with multiple ethnicities and tribes right? Designated minorities get affirmative action by law, but that doesn't apply to just any non-Chinese who immigrates. It's more for non-Han ethnicities native to Chinese soil.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action_in_China

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You realize China is a huge country with multiple ethnicities and tribes right?

They all look the same to me. Multiple ethnicities =/= multi races.

Unless they're Indians or Aboriginees but I doubt it.

It's like trying to say the UK is diverse just because there are Irish and Scots living there. They're still just different flavors of White people and they just as much assimilate when asked.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The way China does affirmative action is basically like if the UK gave Irish people an extra boost in test scores and proportional representation in local government in exchange for them not revolting against British rule. China's rule extends well beyond the living space of the Han people, and so they give some concessions to those who are forced to be ruled by outsiders. Koreans, Mongols, Hui Muslims, Uyghur Muslims, Tibetans, Hmong, and various other tribes are among the beneficiaries. I think there might be Ethnic Russians too but not sure.

The Muslims you mentioned actually get those affirmative action benefits, the re-education camps were for those deemed to be at risk for extremism. There used to be a terrorist problem before those camps, especially back in the 90s when the Taliban gave Uyghur militants a safe haven to attack China from.

Blacks on the other hand probably won't get such benefits until a large enough population resides in China legally for enough time, which is unlikely.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

On the Indian side it's largely because he fought the Anglos and is seen as a strong leader that didn't acquiesce to asinine politics and democracy.