Questioning the Holocaust

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Any literature/media online on holocaust revisionism? Obviously I am just getting into researching this and am genuinely trying to be as non-biased as I can but when I go to search for any revisionist content most of it is wiped (seriously the few posts of it that got on r/conspiracy years ago all the links people provide have been wiped from the internet just about)

Any info and links would be appreciated thanks

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[–]Erasmus 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I'm not going to discourage you from your research, but I will say that whenever they've got you talking about the Holocaust, you're losing.

[–]antireddit 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I've always felt this way too.

If Jews bring it up to try to guilt trip or shut down criticism of them. Just tell them it was horrible, as were the 93% of deaths in ww2 that werent Jewish they never seem to mention. I mean the Germans lost 11 million people in ww2(take note wignats). So Germans paid an even greater price than they did, and I aint German anyway.

Both my grandfathers fought with the “allies” in Europe securing their continued existence. They sure as hell didnt wind up doing it to secure mine, as many of the people they supposedly saved have been trying to demographically wipe us out ever since.

[–]AFutureConcern 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

To appropriate a little leftist language:

The Holocaust is a social construct.

Not to say that it didn't happen, or to debate any historical facts of the matter. Just to recognize that the social importance we place upon it compared to other loss of life (you gave the Germans as an example), is socially constructed by Jews who place Holocaust memorials everywhere, create TV shows to this day demonizing the Nazis, and who consider it a core part of their identity as Jews.

[–]antireddit 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well Norm Finkelstein summed up this holocaust as a manufactured religion mentality in his book the Holocaust industry. It's really disturbing. The notion its done to ensure it "never happens again" to any humans seems to be contradicted by their insistence on downplaying other genocides like the Holodomir, Armenian Genocide, Mao's cultural revolution, and Red Terror. They seem more concerned that these other genocides might steal some of their thunder. Does that sound like the actions of someone trying to prevent future genocide? There were way more genocides post war than before. So the only practical effect this obsession has had is advancing Jewish and Israeli interests and shutting down all criticism of either.

One of the biggest practicioners of this holocaust religion are neocons, and they're probably responsible for more civilian deaths than any other group in the last two decades. There's nothing more dangerous than a group that perceives themselves as the ultimate victim, and therefore feels anything they do is justified either as payback, or as doing whatever is necessary to protect themselves. Jews kind of already had that mentality before ww2. So this has just added to their already preexisting misanthropy.

This is one of the reasons everyone should be terrified of their unchecked media power. Nobody should have that kind of power, least of all a group that seems so psychologically damaged, and follow a religion that enshrines them as the most important people in existence and has numerous examples of them committing genocide in their holy books. Its just about the worst combination I can think of.

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's nothing more dangerous than a group that perceives themselves as the ultimate victim, and therefore feels anything they do is justified either as payback, or as doing whatever is necessary to protect themselves.

Neocons use this justification for their actions abroad, progressives do it domestically.

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

― C. S. Lewis

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'd start with Irving though I'm biased given he's one of my heroes. His books are brilliant, insanely well researched and if you're more in a listening mood he's one of the most engaging speakers I've heard. Many of his videos are still on Youtube but the rest presumably can be found elsewhere. I wouldn't even say he's a hard revisionist I just think he's much fairer and balanced about that period than many others.

There's also guys like Faurrisson, Rudolf, Mattogno and others. Go to CODOH or the Institute For Historical Review. They're treasure troves of revisionist material. IHR is a fantastic site.

Personally my first revisionist video was 'One Third Of The Holocaust'. It's very long but I think it's very interesting. https://archive.org/details/OneThirdOfTheHolocaust

[–]MostBasedRedditor[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'll check Irving out, thanks for the suggestions!

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Anytime. Hope you find them interesting.

[–]kokolokoNightcrawler 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I don't like the 6 million number so I say Six Trillion jews died in the holocaust... Can't arrest me for being a Holocaust denier supplier !

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Codoh, Institute for Historical Review and Holocaust Handbooks. The Daily Shoah has been digging into fact checking the holocaust recently too (Strike and Mike too) there's some good videos on their bitchute channel. The 'holocaust of 38 AD' and the Auschwitz tours are particularly good.

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    [–]MostBasedRedditor[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Thank you so much for all the info on this, it is much appreciated

    [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Just listen to TRS everyday. They talk about it at least 25% of episodes

    https://therightstuffbiz.libsyn.com/

    Mondays episode they had Germar Rudolf on. He authored one of the most scientific reports on the alleged gas chambers in Aushwitz. Predictable results that aligned with Leuchter

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Love the guy but could have done without the sperging over his pink shorts incident.

    [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    German. What can you do

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    https://archive.org/details/PastorStevenAndersonDidTheHolocaustReallyHappen

    https://archive.org/details/DavidColeInAuschwitzFullDocumentary

    [–]MostBasedRedditor[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    ty

    [–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    As someone else wrote, if they get you talking about the Holocaust, you have lost. As Le Pen declared, the Holocaust is but a detail in history, especially when over 100 million people were killed in the 20th Century.

    The numbers are likely inflated. There are some anomalies such as death toll at Auschwitz being revised from 3.5 to 1.5. million, but it really does not matter. You can counter the Holicaust through other points that are not such non-starter conversation renders with most.

    [–]MostBasedRedditor[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I'm not researching this for any debate or conversation I'm likely to have in the future

    [–]Questionablethe Dumpster Arsonist · 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    The two angles I never see questioned are as follows:

    1. People other than Jews died in the holocaust, blacks, Muslims, gays, handicapped, the mentally ill or deficient. Anyone the Nazi's deemed undesirable, Why aren't they ever discussed? It seems there is an agenda to play martyr.

    2. If the majority of the Jews marched peacefully into the gas chambers like obedient sheep. Then who the fuck are those people in Israel? Doesn't that mean that all the kind hearted peaceful people died? Doesn't that mean that the actual Jews were mostly extinguished? Isn't it more likely to survive a war if you are a coward? So who are they?

    Bonus question:

    Whats the difference between a 'master Race' and 'Gods chosen people'?

    [–]MostBasedRedditor[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Yeah honestly it's like Mike Enoch said, you can look into the research of chemical testing and records and do a deep dive for hours (which I plan to do) but just the basic shit like "how did 3 guards manage to get hundreds into a cramped room with no resistance, and why revisionism is illegal in so many places to begin with

    [–]Questionablethe Dumpster Arsonist · 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I think you may have replied to the wrong comment. My statements where a little off topic, and more questioning the narrative of the holocaust and not the logistics.

    My assertion are as follows. People other than the Jews died in the gas chambers in addition to the Jews who did peacefully submit. These other undesirables are never mentioned as it discredits the antisemitic message that Israel pushes. Which leaves the questions, If the majority of the Jews did die in the gas chambers, who are the majority of Israeli citizens? Are not Gods chosen people just a Master race? How did they survive the camps, or avoid the camps entirely, did they sell out their fellow peaceful Jews? Is this how they declared themselves as having divine right as Gods chosen people? By selling out Gods actual chosen people?