We should stop recommending Mein Kampf

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[–]Salos10000 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (44 children)

Why the fuck shouldn't Hitlers role be downplayed?He was a warlord, a mass murderer and imperialist who's actions dampened the views of Nationalism throughout the world. Think about this, say you are a political moderate who is aggravated by the current racial climate, you come to radical right centers and you see Autists promoting Nazi ideology, this scares away the moderate as they have been taught throughout their lives that Nazism and Hitler were the most evil entities in human history.Think of the boiling frog experiment. The men who fought Hitler on the allies would be considered far right neo nazis by todays standards, they are the hero's we need to worship and in particular emphasis how Nationalism is what motivated them to fight.

[–]frodo-baggins 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

This. White advocates should promote 1940s and 1950s Americanism, not genocidal autism.

That may mean separatism at this point. Our demographic fate is sealed if you include California and other states that have been flooded with the 3rd world we need just one small country for White Americans to live in peace. In no way ever does it mean mass murder or LARPing as a Nazi.

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

genocidal autism

Hitler was not genocidal AFAIK, that's the problem with not setting the record straight. If we don't talk about him honestly, i.e. he saw the harm Jews were doing to Germany and wanted them out, then everything WE touch gets painted as genocidal. Jews are poisoning the West, on purpose, and we HAVE to educate people on that. I think Hitler was not at all nice, but he wasn't the cartoon villain he, and we, are painted as.

[–]frodo-baggins 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Optics check buddy.

He's a mass murderer on par with Stalin. We absolutely should disassociate ourselves from him. We have so many better heroes who support our cause, that many normies look up to as well.

Every founding father agreed to citizenship being restricted to "Free White men of good character".

Abraham Lincoln wanted the freed slaves sent back to Africa.

Muhammad Ali, Malcolm X, and other Black icons heavily opposed miscegenation, for the same reasons that we do. If we are all mixed into one monotonous slop, that will destroy every culture, not just ours.

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm for accurate reporting, that is all. Jews lie, any lie to get their way, it's right in their religion.

[–]frodo-baggins 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Do you think the Nazis were innocent? What do you think happened at the concentration camps?

When we have nearly every historical figure agreeing with us wholeheartedly, why do you idolize the most hated?

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What do you think happened at the concentration camps?

A whole lotta starvation and disease. The US had concentration camps too but we had enough supplies to feed the inhabitants. If they were "death camps" there would have been no beds, swimming pools, etc.

why do you idolize the most hated?

Who said I idolized the Nazis? I am for truthful history.

[–]frodo-baggins 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Even if youre right (which Im not convinced of), this is a losing battle for you.

We have to convince White people to love themselves. Defending the people weve been conditioned to hate the most will have the opposite effect.

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    [–]frodo-baggins 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You wont red pill anyone going that route.

    [–]peety 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

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    [–]frodo-baggins 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Replacement is real, you don't have to convince me. There are powerful people who have made the absolute eradication of White people their goal.

    The question is, how do we save ourselves? In order to do so, we need a significant percent of Whites to reject the anti-White indoctrination.

    The best way to do this is to advocate FOR White people, not against any other group. The guy in the UK who flew a White Lives Matter flag in response to a Libyan migrant killing White people is a good example. The people spreading the news about Jessica Whitaker are doing good work as well.

    Before we save our people, we have to convince enough of us that we need to be saved. The mass censorship and control of the media has shut many Whites off from information that they need to see. We need to spread the word about the death of Jessica Whitaker like the death of George Floyd was. (Or the White babies killed by Blacks in a Baltimore day care, or the White senior citizen beaten to death by a Black in the nursing home, or the murder of Duncan Lemp, or any of the other countless murders and attacks against our people that go unreported every day.)

    [–]VarangianRasputin[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (29 children)

    Take your PJW nationalism to The Donald.

    [–]Salos10000 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

    No, my Nationalism is the norm throughout History. Tying ourselves to Nazism is retarded.

    [–]VarangianRasputin[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

    Even if you did try to get away, the Left wouldn't let you. Hitler is a shining example of White Hope. By denying him, we're playing by the lefts rules, which is completely retarded.

    [–]Salos10000 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (26 children)

    No he aimed to massacre millions of whites and actively did. We are not looking to convince the Left, we are looking to rally the right and moderates who would be turned the fuck away by ties to Nazism. What we should be doing is claiming the allied heros as our own since they would be regarded as far right Neo Nazi's be today standards. Hell the Poland Hitler invaded would be considered a fascist regime by them. The Alt Right has tied itself to Nazism for decades and its gotten us nowhere, sticking with it is like ramming your head into a wall expecting it to break.

    [–]VarangianRasputin[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

    No he aimed to massacre millions of whites and actively did.

    Muh Holocaust!

    We are not looking to convince the Left, we are looking to rally the right and moderates who would be turned the fuck away by ties to Nazism.

    Yeah, man, we're not looking to convince the left, or the so called right-wingers who enable them /s (and lets face it, agree with them). WE are the Right. Make no mistake about that.

    What we should be doing is claiming the allied heros as our own since they would be regarded as far right Neo Nazi's be today standards.

    Yeah man, let's claim a bunch of young men brainwashed by Jews into fighting against their own long-term interests, not those nasty evil German men.

    Hell the Poland Hitler invaded would be considered a fascist regime by them.

    Anybody to the left of Emma Goldman is considered Fascist by them. What point are you trying to make, exactly? You expect to beat leftists by playing by their rules? Do you call winning more and more hearts and minds every passing year "Getting Nowhere"? We are reaching the tipping point my friend, what with all these riots going on, the Far-Right is going to surge in the coming year, I'd stake my life on it.

    [–]Salos10000 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

    Not just the holocaust by the entire Labensraum plan.

    Most people here used to be conservatives and moderates, they are the easiest to win over. Trump's appeal to Nationalism campaign in 2016 is an example of this.

    Did the Jews force the Japanese to bomb pearl harbor or Hitler to declare war on the US or invade the USSR or invade Poland?

    Yes but the Left is not the majority of he population, do moderates or conservatives not exist or something? We aren't playing by their rules by distancing ourselves from Nazism, they want us to associate with Nazism so they can justify censorship and condemnation.Subverting and claiming the heros of WW2 who are universally respected across the spectrum is a far bigger subversion of their rules.

    [–]VarangianRasputin[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

    Not just the holocaust by the entire Labensraum plan.

    The Lebensraum plan mostly consisted of areas that were rightful German land, and had large German populations.

    Most people here used to be conservatives and moderates, they are the easiest to win over. Trump's appeal to Nationalism campaign in 2016 is an example of this.

    That's kind of my point. Our ideas are winning more and more over, it's a gradual process of them shifting more and more right as the left oversteps it's boundaries until they find their way to us.

    Did the Jews force the Japanese to bomb pearl harbor

    America had placed many sanctions on Japan preventing them from acquiring many resources they needed. Who runs America, might I ask? Now, of course that was a dumb move by Japan, but you are doing them a disservice by removing that event from it's context.

    Hitler to declare war on the US

    Does the term, 'Tripartite Pact', mean anything to you? His hands were kind of tied.

    invade the USSR

    Hitler was pretty convinced that the USSR was going to invade him at anytime. Whether that's correct or not is a whole other subject.

    invade Poland

    They pressured Britain and France to declare war on Germany over Danzig, an area that was 90% German (The Danzig police-force actually helped the Wehrmacht). Keep in mind Danzig is fucking minuscule.

    Yes but the Left is not the majority of he population, do moderates or conservatives not exist or something?

    What are conservatives conserving, exactly? They're just Liberals under a different name at this point. As I said, we are the Right-Wing.

    We aren't playing by their rules by distancing ourselves from Nazism, they want us to associate with Nazism so they can justify censorship and condemnation.

    They would censor us anyway. You really think they need an excuse? If not the Nazis, then it will be some other monster.

    [–]Salos10000 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Ukraine,Baltics,Belarus,Poland and Russia are all core German territories, sure.

    [–]VarangianRasputin[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Did you even read anything I said about the Lebensraum? Considering Hitler signed over Eastern Poland and the Baltics to the U.S.S.R, I think we can assume he didn't give a shit. He doesn't seem the type to compromise at all, especially when in power. I said DANZIG was a core German territory, which, at the time at least, it was.

    I don't get how you can be on the Far/Alt Right and not defend Hitler to some capacity. I'm not even a die-hard defender of him, I'm just nuanced. You can't fight the Left while also absorbing all of their easily disproved propaganda.

    [–]Salos10000 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

    The US placed sanctions of Japan because of their aggression and atrocities against China. Are you really trying to argue 1930s America was Jewish run?

    No Hitler's hands were not tied, any person with even a slight understanding in History would know that, he chose to declare war on the US.

    Better a defensive war than an offensive one into a large area.

    The league of Nations ran Danzig and it was Poland's only access to the sea. Why should they give it up especially since it was theirs legally under the treaty of Versailles?

    The Neocon are dying out and with common sense and strategic strategy we can get Nationalism and true conservatism back.

    Yes they don't need an excuse but let's make it difficult for them to do that and show them as unjustified. We are not working to win the Left we are working to win over the moderates and conservatives. Tying ourselves to nazism is a losing strategy period because the average citizen knows and have been taught their crimes. Whether you think they are propaganda or not is irrelevant.

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      [–]VarangianRasputin[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      The US placed sanctions of Japan because of their aggression and atrocities against China.

      Yeah, and...?

      Are you really trying to argue 1930s America was Jewish run?

      Are you seriously going to argue it wasn't? I wasn't aware this was disputed.

      No Hitler's hands were not tied

      Tripartite Pact. It's called honouring a deal.

      The league of Nations ran Danzig and it was Poland's only access to the sea. Why should they give it up especially since it was theirs legally under the treaty of Versailles?

      The treaty of Versailles was bullshit, for one. Second, 90%, the Germans, of the population wanted to return to Germany.

      The Neocon are dying out and with common sense and strategic strategy we can get Nationalism and true conservatism back.

      On that we agree.

      [–]asterias 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      No he aimed to massacre millions of whites and actively did. Muh Holocaust!

      I think he refers to Poland, Yugoslavia and the Baltic area.

      (Though the events in Yugoslavia were not directly attributed to Hitler)

      [–]Jacinda 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Hell the Poland Hitler invaded would be considered a fascist regime

      It was literally a fascist regime at the time.

      Edit: I checked my sources and see Wikipedia describes the pre-war Polish government as a "dictatorship without a dictator."

      Wikipedia

      From 1937 the colonels' new political front would be the Camp of National Unity (OZON). In that last period, the Polish government—a "dictatorship without a dictator"—in order to bolster its popular support, paradoxically adopted some of the nationalistic, anti-minority policies that had been opposed by Piłsudski and advocated by his most vocal adversaries, the National Democrats.

      I have a feeling that "anti-minority policies" is a bit of a euphemism.

      [–]somebody112 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Why the fuck shouldn't Hitlers role be downplayed?He was a warlord, a mass murderer and imperialist

      Except he wasn't. Somebody doesn't know their history. He made MANY attempts to avert WW2 all were rebuffed by a bellicose Poland being encouraged by England (and an actual war-monger in the form of Churchill).

      you come to radical right centers and you see Autists promoting Nazi ideology

      No, they aren't promoting Nazi ideology, they're often demonstrating that Nazis didn't just fall out of the sky for no reason (which is the opposite of what you are doing).

      this scares away the moderate as they have been taught throughout their lives that Nazism and Hitler were the most evil entities in human history

      It didn't scare me away, in fact it had the opposite effect, but I think you know this and that's why you're here.

      The men who fought Hitler on the allies would be considered far right neo nazis by todays standards

      Effectively at the start of the war there was no functional difference ideologically between everyday Germans under the Nazis and everyday English under "democracy" and Churchill. The only difference was that the English wanted to destroy Germany for reasons that weren't really clear to them and the Germans didn't want to be destroyed. Eventually it became obvious to Hitler and Germany as a whole they could either wait for the allies to gather strength and destroy them or strike first and then offer peace terms. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID. They blitzkrieged Poland, Czech Republic etc, literally rolled over them then repeatedly made peace entreaties to England to just end the war, asserting that the territorial situation would be restored to pre-war conditions.

      EVERY APPEAL WAS REJECTED BY CHURCHILL.

      [–]peety 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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