We should stop recommending Mein Kampf

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[–]Salos10000 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (26 children)

No he aimed to massacre millions of whites and actively did. We are not looking to convince the Left, we are looking to rally the right and moderates who would be turned the fuck away by ties to Nazism. What we should be doing is claiming the allied heros as our own since they would be regarded as far right Neo Nazi's be today standards. Hell the Poland Hitler invaded would be considered a fascist regime by them. The Alt Right has tied itself to Nazism for decades and its gotten us nowhere, sticking with it is like ramming your head into a wall expecting it to break.

[–]VarangianRasputin[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

No he aimed to massacre millions of whites and actively did.

Muh Holocaust!

We are not looking to convince the Left, we are looking to rally the right and moderates who would be turned the fuck away by ties to Nazism.

Yeah, man, we're not looking to convince the left, or the so called right-wingers who enable them /s (and lets face it, agree with them). WE are the Right. Make no mistake about that.

What we should be doing is claiming the allied heros as our own since they would be regarded as far right Neo Nazi's be today standards.

Yeah man, let's claim a bunch of young men brainwashed by Jews into fighting against their own long-term interests, not those nasty evil German men.

Hell the Poland Hitler invaded would be considered a fascist regime by them.

Anybody to the left of Emma Goldman is considered Fascist by them. What point are you trying to make, exactly? You expect to beat leftists by playing by their rules? Do you call winning more and more hearts and minds every passing year "Getting Nowhere"? We are reaching the tipping point my friend, what with all these riots going on, the Far-Right is going to surge in the coming year, I'd stake my life on it.

[–]Salos10000 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

Not just the holocaust by the entire Labensraum plan.

Most people here used to be conservatives and moderates, they are the easiest to win over. Trump's appeal to Nationalism campaign in 2016 is an example of this.

Did the Jews force the Japanese to bomb pearl harbor or Hitler to declare war on the US or invade the USSR or invade Poland?

Yes but the Left is not the majority of he population, do moderates or conservatives not exist or something? We aren't playing by their rules by distancing ourselves from Nazism, they want us to associate with Nazism so they can justify censorship and condemnation.Subverting and claiming the heros of WW2 who are universally respected across the spectrum is a far bigger subversion of their rules.

[–]VarangianRasputin[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

Not just the holocaust by the entire Labensraum plan.

The Lebensraum plan mostly consisted of areas that were rightful German land, and had large German populations.

Most people here used to be conservatives and moderates, they are the easiest to win over. Trump's appeal to Nationalism campaign in 2016 is an example of this.

That's kind of my point. Our ideas are winning more and more over, it's a gradual process of them shifting more and more right as the left oversteps it's boundaries until they find their way to us.

Did the Jews force the Japanese to bomb pearl harbor

America had placed many sanctions on Japan preventing them from acquiring many resources they needed. Who runs America, might I ask? Now, of course that was a dumb move by Japan, but you are doing them a disservice by removing that event from it's context.

Hitler to declare war on the US

Does the term, 'Tripartite Pact', mean anything to you? His hands were kind of tied.

invade the USSR

Hitler was pretty convinced that the USSR was going to invade him at anytime. Whether that's correct or not is a whole other subject.

invade Poland

They pressured Britain and France to declare war on Germany over Danzig, an area that was 90% German (The Danzig police-force actually helped the Wehrmacht). Keep in mind Danzig is fucking minuscule.

Yes but the Left is not the majority of he population, do moderates or conservatives not exist or something?

What are conservatives conserving, exactly? They're just Liberals under a different name at this point. As I said, we are the Right-Wing.

We aren't playing by their rules by distancing ourselves from Nazism, they want us to associate with Nazism so they can justify censorship and condemnation.

They would censor us anyway. You really think they need an excuse? If not the Nazis, then it will be some other monster.

[–]Salos10000 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Ukraine,Baltics,Belarus,Poland and Russia are all core German territories, sure.

[–]VarangianRasputin[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Did you even read anything I said about the Lebensraum? Considering Hitler signed over Eastern Poland and the Baltics to the U.S.S.R, I think we can assume he didn't give a shit. He doesn't seem the type to compromise at all, especially when in power. I said DANZIG was a core German territory, which, at the time at least, it was.

I don't get how you can be on the Far/Alt Right and not defend Hitler to some capacity. I'm not even a die-hard defender of him, I'm just nuanced. You can't fight the Left while also absorbing all of their easily disproved propaganda.

[–]Salos10000 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You said the land Hitler wanted in Labensraum was core German territory, that was basically all Eastern European land, this was explicitly stated in Mein Kampf. Slav's were seen as subhuman by them, another objective fact. He signed over the Baltics and east poland for strategic reasons, a two front war with the Soviets and the French and British would have been disastrous as it was.

I am far right just like the men who fought Hitler. The US was a 90 percent white nationalist country at the name, fighting for their people against Japanese and German aggression. Even if you disagree, you have to realize that tying ourselves to those ideologies is a massively damaging move that harms us ten times more than it helps. The average person knows of the Nazi's crimes which can be easily proven, it turns moderates and conservatives away from our movement. Again think of the frog boiling experiment.

[–]Salos10000 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

The US placed sanctions of Japan because of their aggression and atrocities against China. Are you really trying to argue 1930s America was Jewish run?

No Hitler's hands were not tied, any person with even a slight understanding in History would know that, he chose to declare war on the US.

Better a defensive war than an offensive one into a large area.

The league of Nations ran Danzig and it was Poland's only access to the sea. Why should they give it up especially since it was theirs legally under the treaty of Versailles?

The Neocon are dying out and with common sense and strategic strategy we can get Nationalism and true conservatism back.

Yes they don't need an excuse but let's make it difficult for them to do that and show them as unjustified. We are not working to win the Left we are working to win over the moderates and conservatives. Tying ourselves to nazism is a losing strategy period because the average citizen knows and have been taught their crimes. Whether you think they are propaganda or not is irrelevant.

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    [–]Salos10000 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

    Source. Why weren't the Jewish refugees taken in if that was the case?Why were figures like Limbergh and Charles Coughlin so powerful and influential in this supposed Jewish run US?

    The pact was defensive, Japan didn't join in 1939 nor did they declare war on the Soviets. Even if it was honour based it was a retarded move considering what Germany was dealing with at the time.

    Source on that Poland port part and why should Poland have to give up anything?

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      [–]Salos10000 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

      Source these shareholders.

      It wasn't forced into the war, attacking the US really had no value for them other than creating a new enemy.

      The US being hostile to Germany was better than the US actively working against Germany.

      Poland was right to be weary of Hitler's demands especially considering he just wanted Sudetenland from Czechoslovakia and look what happened.

      Germany lost the war fair and square. The treaty was not illegitimate. The city was run by the league of Nations not Poland. What election are you referring to?

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        [–]VarangianRasputin[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        The US placed sanctions of Japan because of their aggression and atrocities against China.

        Yeah, and...?

        Are you really trying to argue 1930s America was Jewish run?

        Are you seriously going to argue it wasn't? I wasn't aware this was disputed.

        No Hitler's hands were not tied

        Tripartite Pact. It's called honouring a deal.

        The league of Nations ran Danzig and it was Poland's only access to the sea. Why should they give it up especially since it was theirs legally under the treaty of Versailles?

        The treaty of Versailles was bullshit, for one. Second, 90%, the Germans, of the population wanted to return to Germany.

        The Neocon are dying out and with common sense and strategic strategy we can get Nationalism and true conservatism back.

        On that we agree.

        [–]Salos10000 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        Japan wasn't innocent and deserved to be sanctioned.

        Yes it wasn't.

        Japan didn't honor it in 1939 and it was a defensive pact instead of offensive, there was no obligation to enter it. Even so it was retarded to declare war especially when dealing with both the Soviets and British.

        No the treaty wasn't.

        [–]VarangianRasputin[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Let's just agree to disagree because chances are we'll be sat here all night arguing over something which in the end makes no difference, and try to find some common ground so we don't leave here with bitterness. I will agree with you on the level that we shouldn't make the 3rd Reich the center of our movement, if they must have any. Our movement should be modern and based on modern conditions.

        Are there any 3rd-Position movements or figures from the 20th century you do like, out of curiosity?

        [–]Salos10000 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Jared Taylor.

        [–]asterias 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        No he aimed to massacre millions of whites and actively did. Muh Holocaust!

        I think he refers to Poland, Yugoslavia and the Baltic area.

        (Though the events in Yugoslavia were not directly attributed to Hitler)

        [–]Jacinda 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Hell the Poland Hitler invaded would be considered a fascist regime

        It was literally a fascist regime at the time.

        Edit: I checked my sources and see Wikipedia describes the pre-war Polish government as a "dictatorship without a dictator."

        Wikipedia

        From 1937 the colonels' new political front would be the Camp of National Unity (OZON). In that last period, the Polish government—a "dictatorship without a dictator"—in order to bolster its popular support, paradoxically adopted some of the nationalistic, anti-minority policies that had been opposed by Piłsudski and advocated by his most vocal adversaries, the National Democrats.

        I have a feeling that "anti-minority policies" is a bit of a euphemism.