We should stop recommending Mein Kampf

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[–]Salos10000 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

The US placed sanctions of Japan because of their aggression and atrocities against China. Are you really trying to argue 1930s America was Jewish run?

No Hitler's hands were not tied, any person with even a slight understanding in History would know that, he chose to declare war on the US.

Better a defensive war than an offensive one into a large area.

The league of Nations ran Danzig and it was Poland's only access to the sea. Why should they give it up especially since it was theirs legally under the treaty of Versailles?

The Neocon are dying out and with common sense and strategic strategy we can get Nationalism and true conservatism back.

Yes they don't need an excuse but let's make it difficult for them to do that and show them as unjustified. We are not working to win the Left we are working to win over the moderates and conservatives. Tying ourselves to nazism is a losing strategy period because the average citizen knows and have been taught their crimes. Whether you think they are propaganda or not is irrelevant.

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    [–]Salos10000 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

    Source. Why weren't the Jewish refugees taken in if that was the case?Why were figures like Limbergh and Charles Coughlin so powerful and influential in this supposed Jewish run US?

    The pact was defensive, Japan didn't join in 1939 nor did they declare war on the Soviets. Even if it was honour based it was a retarded move considering what Germany was dealing with at the time.

    Source on that Poland port part and why should Poland have to give up anything?

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      [–]Salos10000 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

      Source these shareholders.

      It wasn't forced into the war, attacking the US really had no value for them other than creating a new enemy.

      The US being hostile to Germany was better than the US actively working against Germany.

      Poland was right to be weary of Hitler's demands especially considering he just wanted Sudetenland from Czechoslovakia and look what happened.

      Germany lost the war fair and square. The treaty was not illegitimate. The city was run by the league of Nations not Poland. What election are you referring to?

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        [–]Salos10000 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

        Yes, saying muh bankers is a worthless answer unless you can back it up with hard evidence.

        Germany capitulated because they had no choice, the country was undergoing a revolution,the German soldiers and navy were refusing to fight. They had no chance of victory. The allies won using the means available to them which is the standard for any war. WW1 crippled and destroyed the allies, they had a right to be as harsh as they want. Let's not forget the treaty Germany imposed on the Soviets.

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          [–]Salos10000 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

          Provide some degree of proof.

          There is no evidence that Wilson's word is what made them surrender. I'd say the sheer crippling factors against Germany were what made them quit.

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            [–]VarangianRasputin[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

            The US placed sanctions of Japan because of their aggression and atrocities against China.

            Yeah, and...?

            Are you really trying to argue 1930s America was Jewish run?

            Are you seriously going to argue it wasn't? I wasn't aware this was disputed.

            No Hitler's hands were not tied

            Tripartite Pact. It's called honouring a deal.

            The league of Nations ran Danzig and it was Poland's only access to the sea. Why should they give it up especially since it was theirs legally under the treaty of Versailles?

            The treaty of Versailles was bullshit, for one. Second, 90%, the Germans, of the population wanted to return to Germany.

            The Neocon are dying out and with common sense and strategic strategy we can get Nationalism and true conservatism back.

            On that we agree.

            [–]Salos10000 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

            Japan wasn't innocent and deserved to be sanctioned.

            Yes it wasn't.

            Japan didn't honor it in 1939 and it was a defensive pact instead of offensive, there was no obligation to enter it. Even so it was retarded to declare war especially when dealing with both the Soviets and British.

            No the treaty wasn't.

            [–]VarangianRasputin[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            Let's just agree to disagree because chances are we'll be sat here all night arguing over something which in the end makes no difference, and try to find some common ground so we don't leave here with bitterness. I will agree with you on the level that we shouldn't make the 3rd Reich the center of our movement, if they must have any. Our movement should be modern and based on modern conditions.

            Are there any 3rd-Position movements or figures from the 20th century you do like, out of curiosity?

            [–]Salos10000 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Jared Taylor.