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[–][deleted] 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I doubt most people here hate blacks.

[–]AFutureConcern 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is right. The reason that people are confused is the word games played by postmodern leftists and the pun on the word "hate".

What we engage in is called "hate speech" against blacks. This has nothing to do with hating black people. For example, the statement "black people are less intelligent and more violent than white people" is considered "hate speech" because the ADL would interpret it as such. We don't have to have any emotion one way or the other toward blacks for this to be the case.

Now the people who actually engage in these word games, fully aware that they are abusing language to manipulate people into persecuting us, it's fair to say that I do hate those people. I do hate those that abuse me and abuse the truth - but only those that know that's what they are doing.

[–]ayotollahsinIran[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Press x to doubt.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why should the frog hate the scorpion?

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's true. I lived in Cameroon for a long time, hardly the action of someone who hates Africans. Hell, I'll take this a step further and say I actually agree with many of their complaints about colonialism with proper context (particularly with France, Russia, and China).

We simply believe there are irreconcilable differences between our peoples. That's not a good thing or bad thing, it's neutral. And it's reality. And we have to act accordingly.

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    [–]ayotollahsinIran[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

    But is intelligence really the reason you dislike them, isn't it more their anti European attitudes,block voting for the left, influence and crime the bigger issue for you people?

    [–][deleted]  (8 children)

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      [–]ayotollahsinIran[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

      You really believe Europeans are smarter than Africans by nature?You don't think education or culture has any impact at all?

      [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      The heritability of IQ in adulthood is 0.8 in Western countries

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ#Estimates

      Indicating genes are responsible for about 80% of the variance in IQ scores. Education, nutrition definitely matter to a degree - just not in any relevant sense for racial IQ scores in Western countries.

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        [–]ayotollahsinIran[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Google it

        [–]AFutureConcern 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Every single person here believes that both genes and environment play a role in shaping the intelligence of an individual. When we try to quantify it, we find that genes explain about 80% of the variance in IQ, but if it's lower and our evidence is not good enough, I'd be happy to accept that.

        It's the opposing position that's literally insane. Anti-hereditarians literally believe that there is no genetic component to group differences in IQ. Zero. They do accept (begrudgingly) that IQ sort of means something and that it's sort of genetic on an individual level. But they say that the claim that group differences in IQ have any genetic component (even 1%!) is a "racist" claim borne of "ignorance" and "prejudice" that "should not be entertained".

        If individual IQ differences are mostly genetic, then group ones are at least likely to be genetic. The methods they use to dissuade people from this obvious assumption are called "applied postmodernism" (lying) where they will "deconstruct" all the words we use to obfuscate the argument; they'll say:

        • Race doesn't exist
        • IQ doesn't measure anything important
        • There are different "intelligences"
        • There is no IQ gap between races
        • If you control for X, Y and Z factor the differences go away
        • Intelligence is a social construct
        • Race is a social construct
        • Intelligence doesn't matter
        • Why do you care?

        These are pure derailment tactics and I'm not sure that those proposing these ideas actually believe them. The point is to get us hung up on debating "what is race" so that casual observers don't make the inference that group differences in IQ are genetic (because that would be "racism" (heresy) and therefore intolerable).

        [–]DragonerneJesus is white 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        You're brainwashed if you don't think Europeans are smarter than Africans by nature. 9 out of 10 intelligence researchers think this.
        Education and culture has an impact but to then claim that genes dont have any impact is stupid.

        [–]bug-in-recovery 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        You really believe Europeans are smarter than Africans by nature?

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        [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        It's not so much that they're bad, so much as they're incompatible with Western civilization. They can never, on the whole, live up to Western standards of behavior, and it's unfair to expect them to.

        [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

        Why even bother?

        [–]sineavec 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Leftism seems to attract immature people. They need their pound of flesh any way they can get it.

        [–]ayotollahsinIran[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

        wdym?

        [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

        I mean why bother asking such a pathetic, loaded question? What does anyone have to gain from this rubbish?

        [–]ayotollahsinIran[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

        I'm looking to debate you, thus I ask questions.

        [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        People who want to debate state their opinion and invite discussion they don't ask loaded questions like this.

        [–]ayotollahsinIran[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        I did both, I stated an opinion and invited discussion.

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        It can be seen as a straw man and even an accusation, you stated an opinion you believe people in the alt-right have without asking them.

        Am I correct in believing the Alt Right's hatred of Africans is based on the behaviors and attitudes of Western Blacks?

        the bold part is your opinion of the alt-right. A lot of people drawn here are simply angry and worried about the demographic situation in western countries, and it's frustrating to have this called "hate". It might seem less "loaded" if you rather stated your own current position. E.g. "I think Africans in Africa behave less destructively than Africans in Western Countries. What does the alt-right think?" Or "What does the alt-right think about Western Africans as compared to Africans outside of the West?"

        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        What do you want to debate? Are there some particular facts were hoping to discuss?

        [–]ayotollahsinIran[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        If I was to guess, is the reason the Alt Right seems to hate African/Black people because of the attitudes and behaviors of Western Blacks living Western Europe and North America?

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        They are causing a lot of problems right now, yes. That's a big concern and a problem for white people right now, as it obviously affects white people more than what Africans do in e.g. Africa or Asia. (And don't forget Australia, and maybe South America in there, though I know less about the trends in crime and stuff in South American countries. And South Africa.)

        The alt-right does sometimes discuss Africans in Africa too though. Like the "Africans in Africa have X IQ and I think we probably shouldn't invite more here." This is also a problem, because many recent arrivals from Africa are also causing problems.

        Sometimes it is a racial superiority thing negatively comparing the accomplishments of Africans to those of Europeans. Which I guess there's some value in if there's some truth in it, and an inaccurate picture has been painted of everyone "being equal". If it's needed to undermine a false narrative, then I guess there's value in it, but I think it goes too far sometimes -- there are smart people in Africa, and various African groups have accomplished things and are accomplishing things. And whites thinking they are simply superior can cause problems due to overconfidence and underestimating Africans, too.

        And even if Western Africans were causing no problems, it still creates a demographic problem for whites, making those spaces, well, less white. Less of a homogenous homeland for whites, where whites can exist and continue our various ethnicities. That problem is an issue of immigration displacement bordering on invasion at this point. People complain about the problem with job replacement occurring with high-skilled immigrants in high-skilled positions too, for example, though there is less "their IQ sucks!" talk in these discussions.

        If there were no African-descended people in Western countries I think the vibe would probably be pretty different, though there would probably exist some negative attitudes towards Africans like there are towards any group. There might still be issues like "should we support whites doing charitable work in Africa." "well no they're too dumb and violent" would probably still be an argument people would try to make.

        Is that the sort of thing you want to ask about? Or have I misunderstood what you want to discuss? Were there points you wanted to raise about traits specific to Africans in Western countries that don't apply to Africans elsewhere?

        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        I'm here for pro-white and white-centric stuff. I don't agree with everything about the alt-right, but that's fine, as I think the pro-white stuff is really what it's about. I would prefer to be friends with Africans, and I don't think going around making enemies is a helpful thing to do. White Nationalists and Black Nationalists have historically gotten along and understood each other.

        I do find all this looting and violence concerning. I think it's legitimate to not want to be around that. It doesn't seem to be just Western African-descended people who do that. And of course it isn't everyone, and of course Africans can undertake to improve themselves through eugenics or whatever they think will be helpful, and some of it will probably work. But it seems to be a pattern, and it's not wrong to be wary of that until it's obviously, permanently changed.

        It also just feels different when there are other people around. It would be nice to have white neighborhoods and white spaces and stuff, in our own countries. And to have our own countries. Which would mean excluding people who aren't white, but there's nothing mean or wrong or bad or even unfriendly about that.

        [–]AidsVictim69 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        I hate multiculturalism and mixed race societies. African American society is so clearly caught up in hatred and conquest of white society that it really doesn't matter whether I hate them or not - my only choice if I want to live in a white society is to reject them as part of it.

        To be frank I do hate them - mostly as a consequence of circumstance. That would go away if they separated out into their own society or immigrated to Africa.

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        I don't "hate" blacks on the whole. I just acknowledge truths about racial differences and I don't believe that the races should live in close proximity for many reasons.

        And it isn't just based on the behaviour and attitudes of blacks in the West. There is no black society I admire, most of them are hell on earth. Wild horses could not drag me to Somalia or Haiti.

        It is true there are some good immigrants from Africa, they tend to be better than Western-born blacks, but what do we really gain from their presence? Even if they respect whites, their children will have a huge chip on their shoulder.

        Keep in mind that I'm not someone who gives a shit about the alleged economic benefits of immigration, nor am I convinced by most civic nationalist arguments. I do not want East Asian or Indian immigration into white countries either, despite their high average IQ and skill levels.

        [–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        No, it's their generalizations about the behaviour and attitudes of Western Blacks. Important distinction.

        [–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        We don't want to deal with Black nature, Africa is a disaster also.

        [–]proc0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        There are also white africans and all shades in between. Race is a misnomer for culture or subculture. At worse, hating a race is failure to have never seen or meet enough people of that culture. Genetically humans have mixed a thousand times over, and any "race" claiming not to is basically claiming to be inbred.

        [–]EuropeanAwakening 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Complete nonsense. A European living in Africa is still a European and will have behavioral traits accordingly.

        [–]proc0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Ok well that European presumably grew up in Europe with European parents. Take the children of said European and make them grow up in an African city with adopted African parents and you'll have someone that looks European but behaves like an African.

        [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        I don't hate any race or ethnic group. I hate a certain group of individuals within the Jewish community that has partnered with race traitors all over the world (and across many generations) to create a borderless techno slave state and genocide anyone that gets in their way. These people are vampiric psychopaths and hate isn't a strong enough or accurate enough word to describe my feelings towards them.

        The broader Jewish community is a mixed bag. Some are totally blended into western liberal culture and don't understand that their skills are being used by their more manipulative elders. Unfortunately a number of factors blinds them to truth. Their IQ is used against them (as our many high iq whites). Their intense ethnocentrism blinds them to data or political discourse that would guide them to see the crimes against humanity their people are working towards. Far too many Jews have a situational ethnics operating system making them totally dangerous and toxic to me and my people. I love objective truth and wisdom. I revere honor culture, vitality, traditionalism, and eco fascism. I want to live in a high trust european society with european peoples. Jews have both directly and indirectly, tacitly and explicitly devoted their lives against those positions.