First person executed with nitrogen gas took 22 minutes to die

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[–]KANGAROOBOOBS 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (43 children)

the method of execution should be chosen by the family of the victim.

rules of punishment:

1) the punishment could be no punishment, if the family so decides.

2) the punishment should be no worse than the actual crime, except for (3)

3) for cases involving murder, etc, the family may execute the criminal as they choose.

if we could bring back impaling, crime rates would drop.

the punishments should be livestreamed on open-air television.

video: vlad the impaler

https://youtu.be/rBhx5HFO6N4

[–]Hematomato 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (42 children)

if we could bring back impaling, crime rates would drop.

I think that's pretty ridiculous. No one is thinking "I've decided to kill this guy because I think I can live with 20 years in prison followed by lethal injection. But if they were going to impale me, fuck, no way. Then I'd have to come up with another plan."

Pretty much every murderer is just thinking "I'M SO MAD I DON'T GIVE A SHIT."

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (34 children)

Yeah deterrence doesn't work on people this evil but it's good to execute them to keep them off the streets and save money from imprisoning him. I see people here worried about rape in prisons, well this guy won't get raped so there's good news.

[–]hfxB0oyA 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Don't speak too fast. Body's still warm.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Well throw his body back to the prisoners then let em have it

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

Yeah deterrence doesn't work on people this evil but it's good to execute them to keep them off the streets and save money from imprisoning him.

Executing them costs more. Up to 10 times more, depending on the state.

https://ejusa.org/resource/wasteful-inefficient/

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

False, very cheap. That includes the costs of imprisoning them. Been thru this wrong argument before.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

It does include the costs of imprisoning them until they're executed.

What do you suggest, have them live at home throughout the appeals process, it just have them killed without a proper trial?

Even having them live at home will only reduce the imprisonment costs by one time. You've still got nine times more to make up.

Been thru this wrong argument before.

Not very well, by the sounds of things.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

Use common sense and logic. You'd pay to imprisonments then anyway so you can't count that. The only costs are what it costs for the injection and disposing the body.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

Use common sense and logic.

Okay.

You'd pay to imprisonments then anyway so you can't count that.

You're comparing the total cost of life imprisonment to the total cost of execution. Ignoring some of the costs doesn't cost them correctly.

If you are counting imprisonments as free, then life imprisonment is free, barring court, arrest, and processing costs.

The only costs are what it costs for the injection and disposing the body.

No. The reason that capital punishment is 10 times more expensive than life imprisonment have very little to do with the cost of injection (or in this case, suffocation), and disposal of the body. The costs are primarily court costs. The death penalty process is more complicated because a life is on the line. Capital cases involve more lawyers, more witnesses, more experts, a longer jury selection process, more pre-trial motions, and an entirely separate trial for sentencing.

The appeals process is almost always engaged to the limit of what the law will allow.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

Very cheap

But saving money isn't reason to do it. Getting rid of violent criminals is

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

Do you know that if you repeat "very cheap" several times without any logical rationalisation, after having been shown that it's 10 times the cost of life imprisonment, it changes the reality, and it becomes very cheap?

Life imprisonment gets rid of violent criminals too. But much cheaper.

Abortion rights are very effective too, and cheaper still.

[–]hfxB0oyA 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

This guy did it for a thousand bucks. Worst paycheque ever.

[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah, if the dude was willing to throw his life away for a thousand bucks, obviously deterring him wasn't on the table. What rational-thinking person would go: "Okay, probably spend life in prison for a thousand bucks, seems like a good deal"?

[–]Jiminy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

He might have thought he'd get a slap on the wrist cuz of soros DAs letting everyone off

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

In 1988? When we were still giving people ten year sentences for possession of marijuana? Yeah I doubt that.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good point

[–]Z0MBEE 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

PEOPLE FACING THE DEATH PENALTY SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO A DEEP FOREST AND CHAINED TO A LARGE TREE.

END. OF. STORY.

STARVATION OR BEING EATEN BY WILD ANIMALS, A SERIOUS CRIME DETERRENT.

[–]Rah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There are still plenty of impulse murderers who have some control, as evidenced by the fact prisoners mention houses with guns as the biggest danger when breaking in, not the cops, nor getting jailed.

[–]Jiminy 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

That's fine

Died peacefully, out cold, body made involuntary movements. They're just against executing anyone so make a big deal about this. An evil murderer is gone.

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

That was my only question. Was he conscious? No? Then it doesn't matter.

[–]Jiminy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Even that's probably a lie and of course they won't show video of him dying nor does it matters anyway. He died peacefully unlike his victims.

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He died peacefully unlike his victims.

Unlike his victim.

There was only Elizabeth Sennett.

[–]HiddenFox 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If only we had a video of his victim being murdered. We could play it on the background for comparison to see if this is justified.

[–]BATMAN-IS-A-FAGGOT 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

THEY NEED TO BE GLAD THAT I AINT HANDLING THIS SHIT... I WOULD DUCT TAPE THEM TO A LIGHT POLE IN TOWN AND PUT A BUCKET OF BASEBALL BATS NEARBY...

JUST LET ANYBODY HIT THEM WITH A BAT UNTIL THEY DIE.

FUCK THEM AND FUCK HUMANITY

[–]Iswearbymyfloralhat 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So what? Why should it be painless and fun? Was the murders painless and fun?

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Was the murders painless and fun?

He was only convicted of one murder.

She had been stabbed, and beaten with a fireplace implement, so I'm going out on a limb and claiming that it was unlikely to have been painless or fun.

[–]Thinger 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I just wish it would have taken hours.

[–]In-the-clouds 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Some of the lethal injections take years.

[–]thomastheglassexpert 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Curious as to how "cruel and unusual" was not claimed to a court by the dead guy's lawyers. I would not think a judge should allow experiments to be performed for an execution when we have several tried and true methods already. Hanging by noose and firing squad each pretty quick and guaranteed dead.

[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Curious as to how "cruel and unusual" was not claimed to a court by the dead guy's lawyers.

It was, of course. The courts ruled against them.

Apparently, Smith had indicated that he would prefer nitrogen hypoxia to another attempt at lethal injection (the first one was botched).

[–]BATMAN-IS-A-FAGGOT 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

IT WOULD BE SO CHEAP TO JUST TIE THEM TO A TRAIN CABOOSE.. HOOK EM UP WITH A CHIAN AND DRAG THEM TO DEATH..

OR, YOU COULD JUST TAKE EM A COUPLE HUNDRED MILES OFFSHORE AND TOSS EM INTO THE OCEAN.

[–]A-KANGAROO-FUCKER 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

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[–]thomastheglassexpert 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Glass Expert" for your spell correct. And I am not telling anyone what to do I am asking what would you do if this happened within your orbit.

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Honestly though. They didn't start with a general anesthesia? Why not?

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It seems so simple to me. Just put the person under general anesthesia, followed by - anything, really. Lethal injection and nitrogen gas both work fine.

Most of us have been under general anesthesia. We know it's instant unconsciousness - you can't even count down from ten. Suffering is impossible.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah there's some kind of fake news going on about stories of prisoner executions being botched and them not dying. It's easy just up the dosage. It's a campaign to make people against executions.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

difficulty: they can't get drug companies to sell them anesthesia because the bitchbaby death sentence haters hassle the companies

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Did he take 22 minutes to die, which is a physical impossibility? Or did the procedure last 22 minutes so they could be sure he was dead to the deadth power officially on paper?

[–]thomastheglassexpert 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This experimental bullshit has got to stop. 22 minutes really that's just fuck wrong. I don't care what the crime was that a person is to be killed for. With both hangman's noose and firing squad death is a done deal within seconds. If we as a society are to kill as punishment then needless suffering until death is not what we are supposed to do. That's Dark Ages torture shit when the victim was meant to scream in pain all the way to a prolonged death.

[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

but how soon unconscious - thats the real import

supposedly THAT is fairly quick

22 minutes - heart stopping (and whatever else they now choose ) still seems a bit long

[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

family can elect someone to carry out the execution and a toolbox should be provided