First person executed with nitrogen gas took 22 minutes to die

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[–]Hematomato 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (42 children)

if we could bring back impaling, crime rates would drop.

I think that's pretty ridiculous. No one is thinking "I've decided to kill this guy because I think I can live with 20 years in prison followed by lethal injection. But if they were going to impale me, fuck, no way. Then I'd have to come up with another plan."

Pretty much every murderer is just thinking "I'M SO MAD I DON'T GIVE A SHIT."

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (34 children)

Yeah deterrence doesn't work on people this evil but it's good to execute them to keep them off the streets and save money from imprisoning him. I see people here worried about rape in prisons, well this guy won't get raped so there's good news.

[–]hfxB0oyA 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Don't speak too fast. Body's still warm.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Well throw his body back to the prisoners then let em have it

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

Yeah deterrence doesn't work on people this evil but it's good to execute them to keep them off the streets and save money from imprisoning him.

Executing them costs more. Up to 10 times more, depending on the state.

https://ejusa.org/resource/wasteful-inefficient/

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

False, very cheap. That includes the costs of imprisoning them. Been thru this wrong argument before.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

It does include the costs of imprisoning them until they're executed.

What do you suggest, have them live at home throughout the appeals process, it just have them killed without a proper trial?

Even having them live at home will only reduce the imprisonment costs by one time. You've still got nine times more to make up.

Been thru this wrong argument before.

Not very well, by the sounds of things.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

Use common sense and logic. You'd pay to imprisonments then anyway so you can't count that. The only costs are what it costs for the injection and disposing the body.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

Use common sense and logic.

Okay.

You'd pay to imprisonments then anyway so you can't count that.

You're comparing the total cost of life imprisonment to the total cost of execution. Ignoring some of the costs doesn't cost them correctly.

If you are counting imprisonments as free, then life imprisonment is free, barring court, arrest, and processing costs.

The only costs are what it costs for the injection and disposing the body.

No. The reason that capital punishment is 10 times more expensive than life imprisonment have very little to do with the cost of injection (or in this case, suffocation), and disposal of the body. The costs are primarily court costs. The death penalty process is more complicated because a life is on the line. Capital cases involve more lawyers, more witnesses, more experts, a longer jury selection process, more pre-trial motions, and an entirely separate trial for sentencing.

The appeals process is almost always engaged to the limit of what the law will allow.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

Very cheap

But saving money isn't reason to do it. Getting rid of violent criminals is

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

Do you know that if you repeat "very cheap" several times without any logical rationalisation, after having been shown that it's 10 times the cost of life imprisonment, it changes the reality, and it becomes very cheap?

Life imprisonment gets rid of violent criminals too. But much cheaper.

Abortion rights are very effective too, and cheaper still.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

I always repeat facts, not arguing with you when that debate has been long over.

Abortion is another topic. Should we kill innocent babies? No. So that's why it's different from murderers.

[–]hfxB0oyA 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

This guy did it for a thousand bucks. Worst paycheque ever.

[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah, if the dude was willing to throw his life away for a thousand bucks, obviously deterring him wasn't on the table. What rational-thinking person would go: "Okay, probably spend life in prison for a thousand bucks, seems like a good deal"?

[–]Jiminy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

He might have thought he'd get a slap on the wrist cuz of soros DAs letting everyone off

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

In 1988? When we were still giving people ten year sentences for possession of marijuana? Yeah I doubt that.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good point

[–]Z0MBEE 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

PEOPLE FACING THE DEATH PENALTY SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO A DEEP FOREST AND CHAINED TO A LARGE TREE.

END. OF. STORY.

STARVATION OR BEING EATEN BY WILD ANIMALS, A SERIOUS CRIME DETERRENT.

[–]Rah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There are still plenty of impulse murderers who have some control, as evidenced by the fact prisoners mention houses with guns as the biggest danger when breaking in, not the cops, nor getting jailed.