First person executed with nitrogen gas took 22 minutes to die

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[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

False, very cheap. That includes the costs of imprisoning them. Been thru this wrong argument before.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

It does include the costs of imprisoning them until they're executed.

What do you suggest, have them live at home throughout the appeals process, it just have them killed without a proper trial?

Even having them live at home will only reduce the imprisonment costs by one time. You've still got nine times more to make up.

Been thru this wrong argument before.

Not very well, by the sounds of things.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

Use common sense and logic. You'd pay to imprisonments then anyway so you can't count that. The only costs are what it costs for the injection and disposing the body.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

Use common sense and logic.

Okay.

You'd pay to imprisonments then anyway so you can't count that.

You're comparing the total cost of life imprisonment to the total cost of execution. Ignoring some of the costs doesn't cost them correctly.

If you are counting imprisonments as free, then life imprisonment is free, barring court, arrest, and processing costs.

The only costs are what it costs for the injection and disposing the body.

No. The reason that capital punishment is 10 times more expensive than life imprisonment have very little to do with the cost of injection (or in this case, suffocation), and disposal of the body. The costs are primarily court costs. The death penalty process is more complicated because a life is on the line. Capital cases involve more lawyers, more witnesses, more experts, a longer jury selection process, more pre-trial motions, and an entirely separate trial for sentencing.

The appeals process is almost always engaged to the limit of what the law will allow.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

Very cheap

But saving money isn't reason to do it. Getting rid of violent criminals is

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

Do you know that if you repeat "very cheap" several times without any logical rationalisation, after having been shown that it's 10 times the cost of life imprisonment, it changes the reality, and it becomes very cheap?

Life imprisonment gets rid of violent criminals too. But much cheaper.

Abortion rights are very effective too, and cheaper still.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

I always repeat facts, not arguing with you when that debate has been long over.

Abortion is another topic. Should we kill innocent babies? No. So that's why it's different from murderers.

[–]THE-BIG-BLUE-BUCKET 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

While abortion is a sensitive issue, equating it with murder is an extreme and inaccurate comparison. Abortion involves a complex set of moral and ethical considerations that deserve thoughtful discussion and understanding.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's killing, murder or not. Currently legal in some states tho. Ok. But it's illegal to murder in all states. And legal to execute murderers in some but not all states. This argument about whether it saves money or not is like with abortion, you shouldn't support killing babies because it saves money. Abhorrent. Support it for some sort of good reason. I support executing criminals to keep them off the street. Ok if they have life in prison that does the same. And sometimes innocent people unfortunately go to jail. All babies are innocent. So you shouldn't have brought up abortions because you supporting that hurts you being pro life for the most evil people ever.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

I always repeat facts, not arguing with you when that debate has been long over.

Nope. That facts are that it's 10 times more expensive. What you're repeating is stuff you want to be true so that your desire to kill people has a justification in economics, if not ethics.

But you're wrong.

Should we kill innocent babies? No.

Unwantedness is a predictor of criminality, including violent criminality.

They're literally the same people as the innocent babies.

Much more ethical to abort then before they become innocent babies, than wait until they're innocent babies, then keep waiting until they're murderers, and then kill them when they're a human.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

The fact is it costs just to administer the injection and bury the body. You can't count other costs you want to spend anyway. I said that way up the thread so that debate is over.

Babies and murderers are literally the same? More ethical to execute the babies? Now I know you don't really believe that and you're just wasting time, but it's important for lurkers to see this. This is what we're up against guys.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

The fact is it costs just to administer the injection and bury the body.

No. That's not a fact. It's not even close to true.

The cost is in the legal process.

You can't count other costs you want to spend anyway.

The legal process is different. It's much more expensive in capital cases.

I said that way up the thread so that debate is over.

I linked you to the source that said it's 10 times the cost. The debate is over unless you can come up with evidence.

Babies and murderers are literally the same?

An unwanted child is the majority of murderers in a society without abortion rights.

More ethical to execute the babies?

No, the fetuses before before they're babies.

Now I know you don't really believe that and you're just wasting time, but it's important for lurkers to see this. This is what we're up against guys.

As you can see, Jimmy isn't just wrong, he's also a dick.