First person executed with nitrogen gas took 22 minutes to die

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[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

Very cheap

But saving money isn't reason to do it. Getting rid of violent criminals is

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

Do you know that if you repeat "very cheap" several times without any logical rationalisation, after having been shown that it's 10 times the cost of life imprisonment, it changes the reality, and it becomes very cheap?

Life imprisonment gets rid of violent criminals too. But much cheaper.

Abortion rights are very effective too, and cheaper still.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

I always repeat facts, not arguing with you when that debate has been long over.

Abortion is another topic. Should we kill innocent babies? No. So that's why it's different from murderers.

[–]THE-BIG-BLUE-BUCKET 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

While abortion is a sensitive issue, equating it with murder is an extreme and inaccurate comparison. Abortion involves a complex set of moral and ethical considerations that deserve thoughtful discussion and understanding.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's killing, murder or not. Currently legal in some states tho. Ok. But it's illegal to murder in all states. And legal to execute murderers in some but not all states. This argument about whether it saves money or not is like with abortion, you shouldn't support killing babies because it saves money. Abhorrent. Support it for some sort of good reason. I support executing criminals to keep them off the street. Ok if they have life in prison that does the same. And sometimes innocent people unfortunately go to jail. All babies are innocent. So you shouldn't have brought up abortions because you supporting that hurts you being pro life for the most evil people ever.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

I always repeat facts, not arguing with you when that debate has been long over.

Nope. That facts are that it's 10 times more expensive. What you're repeating is stuff you want to be true so that your desire to kill people has a justification in economics, if not ethics.

But you're wrong.

Should we kill innocent babies? No.

Unwantedness is a predictor of criminality, including violent criminality.

They're literally the same people as the innocent babies.

Much more ethical to abort then before they become innocent babies, than wait until they're innocent babies, then keep waiting until they're murderers, and then kill them when they're a human.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

The fact is it costs just to administer the injection and bury the body. You can't count other costs you want to spend anyway. I said that way up the thread so that debate is over.

Babies and murderers are literally the same? More ethical to execute the babies? Now I know you don't really believe that and you're just wasting time, but it's important for lurkers to see this. This is what we're up against guys.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

The fact is it costs just to administer the injection and bury the body.

No. That's not a fact. It's not even close to true.

The cost is in the legal process.

You can't count other costs you want to spend anyway.

The legal process is different. It's much more expensive in capital cases.

I said that way up the thread so that debate is over.

I linked you to the source that said it's 10 times the cost. The debate is over unless you can come up with evidence.

Babies and murderers are literally the same?

An unwanted child is the majority of murderers in a society without abortion rights.

More ethical to execute the babies?

No, the fetuses before before they're babies.

Now I know you don't really believe that and you're just wasting time, but it's important for lurkers to see this. This is what we're up against guys.

As you can see, Jimmy isn't just wrong, he's also a dick.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Don't get mad at me personally. Stop supporting killing babies and letting scum live. Shame on you. All for your political team. Debate is over.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

I'm not mad. What you're feeling is cognitive dissonance.

The total cost of a capital punishment is about 10 times the total cost of life imprisonment.

You can not count the cost of imprisonment itself if you're an idiot, but that's a larger proportion of the costs for life imprisonment, so that would serve to make the imbalance in costs greater.

I'm not supporting killing babies, I supporting abortion rights. They end long before there's a baby.

My ethics is reality based. You've got to make up absolutely ridiculous claims like the costs of a trial don't count and barely differentiated clump of cells with no brain is "a baby", to support your brutality.

The shame is on you.

Debate is over.

Bye then.

[–]Zipped 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

The total cost of a capital punishment is about 10 times the total cost of life imprisonment.

not quite correct.

the cost of capital punishment is the cost to take them far out into the ocean and throw them overboard while wearing handcuffs.

or, release them into the wild in alaska in polar bear territory after slathering them up in bear bait paste, while naked.

crime rates would drop.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

not quite correct.

Okay, what's your reasoning?

the cost of capital punishment is the cost to take them far out into the ocean and throw them overboard while wearing handcuffs.

Why is that the cost, and not all the things that make capital punishment 10 times more expensive than life imprisonment?

or, release them into the wild in alaska in polar bear territory after slathering them up in bear bait paste, while naked.

Why is that the alternative? They both sound unconstitutional to me.

crime rates would drop.

No, that's abortion rights. Crime rates are not affected by capital punishment: RESEARCH: Halting the Use of the Death Penalty Did Not Result in an Increase in Homicide Rates

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Debate long over. Stop trying to waste time on stuff that's settled.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Yes, the debate is over. Capital punishment costs 10 times more than not having capital punishment.

The Studies are done. The figures are in. Settled.

Less settled, but increasingly strongly evidenced, is that abortion rights result in a massive drop in crime 15 years later.

We estimate that overall crime fell 17.5% from 1998 to 2014 due to legalized abortion— a decline of 1% per year. From 1991 to 2014, the violent and property crime rates each fell by 50%. Legalized abortion is estimated to have reduced violent crime by 47% and property crime by 33% over this period, and thus can explain most of the observed crime decline.

So if you're genuinely interested in reducing crime you could be more effective if you acquainted yourself with some of the settled facts that the rest of us know.