Disney's first film with LGBTQ+ lead bombs at box office – and fans have thoughts (gay fans accuse Disney of purposely trying to sabotage the movie through lack or marketing to justify lack of gay representation in future movies)

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[–]ClassroomPast6178 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (36 children)

Disney did kill the marketing because they knew that it was going to bomb from what happened with Lightyear. Marketing these films can double the budget, and they were already looking at losing $100m+ on it, so apparently they decided to let it bomb rather than lose even more money.

Doesn’t help that the film itself is an absolute mess, it’s preachy, it lacks a decent story and characters. It was almost certainly made by committee, with a checklist (gay character, mixed race character, inter-racial relationship, etc).

Disney needs to learn some harsh lessons from this, but I doubt they will.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (35 children)

I've yet to see it and I won't bother probably until it's on streaming and I'm really bored. Seemed utterly bland and disinteresting from the trailer.

Definitely makes sense not to market a movie they think is gonna do terrible. The gay conspiracy theorists are doing the whole "Disney is purposely trying to make the gay movie fail" thing so they can pretend to themselves that anything with rainbows is automatically good and =$$$$ probably so they can keep the grift going a bit longer before people realize they have nothing to offer the writing departments besides "what if X character was gay, a lemur, a retarded bisexual wheelchair" line of immature ADHD riddled brainstorming rather than actually making coherent well thought out scripts.

Of course if there was some shadowy gay bashing cabal of homophobic executives they'd just nix the gay outright rather than jump through the expensive hoops of actually spending millions of dollars to make the movie then purposely have it fail to pull a "see gay movies don't make money". Rather than just, use normal focus group shit.

Ask a bunch of San Francisco 30 something tweenny boppers if they want more rainbows and bisexual interracial wheelchairs and they'll sat golly gee yes sirree, and go pirate the movie anyway.

Ask a bunch of hardline conservative christian types what they want and they'll consistently just add Jesus to every movie.

There's money to be made by targeting both groups but not with these crappy multimillion dollar Hollywood spectacles since they need to be as mass market as possible, which is why you've got the stupid checklists of mandatory diversity.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (34 children)

Hollywood has massively misjudged what matters to the majority of their customers, and we are seeing it with the massive flops of Bros, She Said, Lightyear, Don’t Worry Darling, Amsterdam. Even Marvel films and TV series are flopping, Black Panther 2:Wakandan Boogaloo, is struggling to break even. Avatar 2 is set to be the biggest flop in history, needing $2b to just break even. Star Wars is a dead IP, Star Trek is dead, Lord of the Rings, although not Disney is potentially suffering the same fate, could be too if the animated Rohirrim film flops next year and Indiana Jones is looking to be that way ahead of Indy 5 next year. James Bond is looking very much like the producers want to diversify him, and lose everything that made him enjoyable. It’s hard to understand how this has all happened other than by the toxic effects of social media and the critical social justice cult.

Hollywood is in big trouble and it was them that killed the golden goose in service to their current year ideology.

The other disaster for Hollywood has been JJ Abrams and his coterie of directors, writers and producers. He talked up his “mystery box” style of writing and now it is being used everywhere, the trouble is that it’s not a tactic that works with existing IPs. Combine JJ Abrams with ideologically-driven productions and you explain the disastrous Star Wars sequels and series, the destruction of Star Trek both in theatres and TV and the shite that was Rings of Power (the show runners, never having had a producer credit before, got given the gig for the most expensive TV show in history on Abrams recommendation and they wrote it in Abrams style).

[–]SolidSnek 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Excellent point about JJ Abrams. Rian johnson is by no means innocent but it really is JJ that killed star wars.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

It is Kathleen Kennedy who is ultimately responsible for the death of Star Wars and the upcoming death of Indiana Jones. She decided that they should abandon the plan George Lucas had for sequels and turn over the reins to Abrams and that they should go into a trilogy with no overall idea of how the story should play out.

How Star Wars got fucked up is such a massive topic, but at its heart it has Kennedy and the pandering to the social justice cause. Abrams just brought his incompetence to the table like a glacé turd.

[–]SolidSnek 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

KK sucks too but JJ is the one who chose to make force awakens into a bland remake of new hope as well as the fever dream that is ROS.

Honestly, I'm not a fan of the og Lucas plan. Lucas was going to do the same things to Luke as RJ did.

That all aside I really think our views are closer than it might sound. My anger with KK is a close second with JJ.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

The first, I want to say half of force awakens was quite good, they start introducing the new characters which are pretty likable, the secret plans in the droid plot is a repeat but if that was the end of it they could have still managed to have it be an homage rather than a carbon copy, but once Han Solo shows up it starts going downhill fast. And a third even bigger death start that's even easier to blow up than the last two. Please how could you be that stupid to reuse the death star again. Like Jesus where can you scale up from planet destroying weapons? Is the next movie going to have a whole fleet of deathstars that they need to blow up? (A lo it came to pass the next one he made had a whole fleet of deathstars they needed to blow up).

Kennedy is mostly to blame for her not making sure there was some overarching plot. But 2/3rds of that crappy triology was Abrams doing.

Much as it pains me to say, for as shit as Last Jedi is, it's the only one of the sequel trilogy that even attempts as doing something original even if what it does is woefully stupid.

[–]Wanderingthehalls 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I liked the plot point of Rey just being some nobody who happens to have the force. I could see a story thread of her growing up hearing legends about Luke Skywalker who discovered that the evil Darth Vader was his father and turned him back to light side. Then when she realised she was force sensitive being convinced that she must be a Skywalker and as such her destiny is to save her cousin/brother Kylo by returning him to the light. Then failing miserably, realising her parents were just nobodies who abandoned her for no noble reason and maybe even ending the second movie falling to the dark side in her misery.

When I watched TLJ, I really felt like there were the bones of a good story in there with another 20 edits of the script.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

There are really echos of something good, unfortunately it's diminished by gotcha moments and then Abrams back tracks it again in Star Wars IX: Return of Goku.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The way they killed Han, didn’t reunite Han, Leia and Luke, making Han a deadbeat dad (backtracking on his character development in the OT), having Leia hug Rey, who she had just met, instead of Chewie, having Rey beat Kylo in a lightsaber duel and then resist his mind probe, having Finn be a Stormtrooper Janitor…the list could go on. Rey piloting the Falcon better than Han despite never having left the planet and having no clear reason to know how to fly at all (she was essentially a homeless desert scavenger working for scraps of food), Rey fixing the Falcon better than Han/Chewie.

The way that Abrams works with IPs is that, in addition to employing mystery boxes, he makes a checklist of all the big events/plot points of previous versions/episodes/instalments and then incorporates them into his script but BIGGER or BETTER! So we end up with a Death Star but BIGGER! We have Luke but BETTER! (Rey). Etc etc. it’s shit. Add that to Kennedy’s insistence on inclusion and diversity regardless of story implications (the fascist regime is remarkably gender and ethnically diverse) and you have a charmless shitefest that pleases no one except boxtickers and the slackjawed.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Star Wars XXX: Cory Baxter and Shaggy and Scooby Strike Back. With only 0.00000000000000000001% of their power.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I also don't like how they added midichlorians halfway through ROTJ (Luke implies their existence to Leia). When Luke told Obi-Wan he wanted to be a Jedi there was no test to see if he was magic or whatever. It kind of ruins Han Solo's character too, because there was great irony in his disbelief in the force despite clearly relying on it in combat. Now that's impossible and he was just that impossibly lucky this whole time. Even R2-D2 has a little bit of this. Not C-3PO, although he has a massive slave fetish and refuses to go "against his programming" and pretends he doesn't remember anything before his supposed memory erase despite frequently having Freudian slips, so I could see him disavowing any semblance of the force. He reminds me of Waylon Smithers in that way. This is not normal droid behavior, other droids can completely change their function after going so long without a memory erase, so this is his own problem.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The moment that really broke Force Awakens for me was when the gold stormtrooper lady just disables the shield without a fight the instant they pull a gun on her.

You expect me to believe that your brainwashed soldier raised from childhood to be a soldier is just going to give up without a fight and do what two guys with a gun say? Please.

Then in the second movie turns out her armor is laser proof anyway. So fucking stupid.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Who says they are brainwashed?

Would you want the likes of Finn and Rey running your galaxy?

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In a blink and you'll miss it rare instance of sequel trilogy world building it's said somewhere the new stormtroopers are kidnapped as children and raised in the service, hence they are brainwashed from birth to be loyal soldiers essentially. Do you train your loyal soldiers , especially your top generals, to follow the 7/11 part time employee guide of what to do when a gun is pulled on you?

As for Finn and Rey, they'd probably destroy the galactic economy within a few days but it's ok because they have "the force" and would be able to Deus ex machina out some kind of joint galactic economic stimulus recovery. Oh wait sorry I was thinking of the prequels. Um. Pew pew space laser boooooooom hooray!

[–]SerpensInferna 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So weird that people don't want to be condescendingly preached at while just trying to enjoy some mindless entertainment for a damn minute. Who would have thought.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So weird that people don't want to be condescendingly preached at while just trying to enjoy some mindless entertainment for a damn minute.

Not to mention having paid through the nose for the privilege!

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 🐈 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Star Trek is dead

We have never had so many Trek shows ongoing at once: Picard, Strange New Worlds, Discovery, Prodigy, and Lower Decks. Prodigy is with Wesley Crusher so... We'll see how that is, and Discovery is kind of a steaming ball of shit, but the others are decent.

destruction of Star Trek both in theatres

The Trek movies have always kind of sucked, some more than others, but the best movie was Wrath of Khan.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Picard is an abomination that humiliated Picard, destroyed the canon of TNG and didn’t even tell a decent story.

What is coming out about these shows is that the production teams actively dislike the source material/originals. The production team on The Witcher used to make fun of the books and games, and that’s ultimately why Henry Caville quit.

The sad fact about Star Trek is that Seth MacFarlane, a massive ST:TNG fan, put a bid in to buy the rights to make a new raft of ST shows in the same canon as TNG, and they refused him - which led him to make The Orville, which is brilliant. ST under him would have been amazing.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

God it's a crazy world where Seth MacFarlands goofy Trek ends up being way better than anything since Voyager.

Picard was.so horrible anyone connected to that project really deserves to never work in entertainment again.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s a crying shame that MacFarlane Trek didn’t happen. Everyone in the writer’s room when they decided that Picard should be berated by an admiral, using the F-bomb, and that there should be Romulan warrior nuns, a Romulan Legolas, extra-dimensional machine gods, body horror torture porn and android slaves on Mars should be taken outside and beaten with mallets. Seriously, they demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of the world with that shit.

[–]bopomofodojo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Lower Decks is on par with the Orville for sheer hilarity (Mike McMahon is a good steward), and SNW is just great. Prodigy is a kids show. Disco is meh (each season is better than the last, but given how bad 1 was, that's hard to recover from), and Picard was a travesty. It's really hit-and-miss right now (kinda like 90's trek...).

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

90's trek had bad episodes but didn't really do the all in serialized shit. Lower decks is alright I enjoyed it. Strange New World's haven't seen it yet. Eventually will. Probably when season 2 comes out.

[–]bopomofodojo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yea that's a big aspect. Old-school (pre-rebirth) Trek was entirely episodic except for the experiments in DS9 and Enterprise. Both of which, it's quite easy to forget in hindsight, were badly received at the time but are now (at least, for DS9), looked upon as some of the best parts of the franchise. The downside of super-serialized TV is that if it sucks, it all sucks, there's no "good episodes" buried in it. Which is the fatal flaw of Discovery and Picard.

Thankfully you might be happy to know that SNW is entirely episodic; you don't need to watch them in order, and each episode is entirely self-contained. Definitely check it out of you like old-school Trek storytelling style. The last episode is especially amazing if you are a fan of TOS Balance of Terror, but I won't say more than that.

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 🐈 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Picard is an abomination that humiliated Picard, destroyed the canon of TNG and didn’t even tell a decent story.

Picard hugged Q though! I don't care about TNG canon, personally, the show is dated by the 90s ideology. Remember when Riker fucked a tranny? I like the Kelvin timeline too, it's less sleepy.

Henry Caville quit

I had no idea he quit. That show I suspect is another Walking Dead, it had an epic first season I don't expect to be repeated, although it'll probably go on for years.

[–]LyingSpirit472 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

In defense, though, a lot of these flops may be less "wokeness is killing movies" and more "the movie theater as a whole is dying." The pandemic had made it so that a lot of people decided "why bother going to a movie theater at a certain time and spend $100 bucks and two hours of my life that I will never get back to go sit in a big room filled with people where I'm putting my and my family's lives at risk just to see a movie, when for $15 a month I can stay home, watch the same movie on my schedule, make cheaper snacks myself, and if the movie's shit I can just turn it off and watch something else?", and that toothpaste isn't going back in the tube.

Current year is AN issue, but it's not the biggest issue. Hell, current year's a stone groove to the real issue [if you decided to stream Strange World at home, for example, and the person is legitimately a homophobe and legitimately were so turned off by seeing a gay person in a movie they immediately ended the film over it to watch something else- you still clicked on it, Disney Plus got your click money- and even if you didn't even click they still got your money for subscribing.)

[–]ClassroomPast6178 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Except Top Gun Maverick is heading for what, $2billion? People will go out to see stuff they want to see, and will go again if they like it.

Disney plus is losing billions, apparently it’s bundled with other products really heavily so it doesn’t actually pull in the money to cover the costs of production. I get my sub free with my mobile phone contract.

[–]bopomofodojo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It can absolutely be both.

10 years ago, people might go to a movie, what, every 2-3 weeks, if there were things showing, and there was a ton of choice every week. It was just a "thing people did".

Streaming and COVID lockdowns killed most of that, coupled with the consistent rise in streaming, leaving many people to having 2 years where nobody did that "thing people did". Add to that the endless rising costs of everything where a ticket is now $20.

And now we're coming out of it, and instead of jumping right back into a movie every 2-3 weeks, people might be going every 2-3 months instead, if that. Thus they're far more stingy on what they see. "A big budget sequel to a great movie from 30 years ago which hasn't already been ground into fine mist for sequels? Sounds appealing for my one movie these few months. Some random crap from Disney that's got an 'LGTBTQWTF protagonist'? Why bother, trailer looks like shit, I'll catch it on Plus later for free and if it sucks I'm not out $20 and a trip to the theater."

People have been saying that for years because it's been a trend for years. It's just been masked by the fact that fewer and fewer movies are being made every year as studios consolidate behind basically 2 giant ones, and that the movies that do get made are all these giant-budget blockbusters. What's different now is that we're seeing blockbuster after blockbuster from the studios underperform, which if that trend continues will certainly trigger some sort of correction.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Yeah people have been talking about the movie industry dying for years but frankly I don't think that's the case. Downsizing? Shifting? Definitely. I think these animated family movies especially will do worse and worse due to costs. But pop them up at a budget theater that charges $5 a pop? They'll do ok.

I think for the top cost high budget movies they need to lean into the big screen spectacle to attract people to the theater. But I think people will still go see movies in the theater even with the prominence of streaming, you just have to make movies that people actually are willing to pay to watch.

[–]LyingSpirit472 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Honestly, the problem ties into u/ClassroomPast6178 's example, as well as examples like how anime movies have grown from "special event showings" to getting regular theatrical releases- the movies that are succeeding now are the type of thing that ties to a fanbase who's dedicated and hardcore enough they will still go to the theater to see. (This even ties to Top Gun Maverick, since a high-action, high-spectacle, high- 'MURICA movie like Top Gun is the type of thing people who think COVID is a lib'rul plot to take mah FREEDOM and everyone who died of it is secretly alive and chilling out on a island near where the earth's edge is would jump at seeing.)

The spectacle aspect is going to be a good question for the Avatar sequels, since the first Avatar was basically 100% spectacle and effectively nothing else and even people who see it know that (and 3D movies going out of style in recent years ties into this, since Avatar's sequels can't possibly be as much of a spectacle as the first one without 3D.)

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The anime stuff is a weird one. Ghibli movies were quite good and I think had a potential for mass market western appeal as they seem to have done. They are somewhat reminiscent of the older Disney movies back when they weren't afraid of giving Pinnochio cigars and having scary imagery and the like before they morphed into the super family friendly sterile image they have today. Though I'm not sure American audiences would appreciate going to see a Ghibli movie in theaters like, princess mononoke, and seeing samurai getting decapitated and the like since the whole sex violence and whatever standards in Japan are quite different than the west.

I think the Makoto Shinkai movies have been doing fairly good in the west recently. I think that's mostly on weebs though. I like his movies and they aren't bad but they are so"Japanese" that I don't really get why they've become popular otherwise. They're fairly decent compared to the loads of really shit anime that exists but they are definitely not made with a western audience in mind.

Avatar will be interesting to see how it performs. Frankly I'm going to skip it. Because I didn't really care for the first one beyond the "these graphics are cool" sort of way. Does it still look cool? Sure. Do I want to watch 3 hours of blue smurf people doing stuff I don't care about? Not really.

[–]LyingSpirit472 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Well, first off when I say anime movies getting theatrical release- even Ghibli films (which already got that) or Shinkai movies (which could flirt with it) are different than what I'm saying. They could get those releases.

I'm talking about movies like Demon Slayer: Mugen Train, like Dragon Ball Z movies, the Jujutsu Kaisen movie, One Piece: RED which was recently out...IIRC, the Quintessential Quintuplets movie is about to come out in December for the same, which isn't even a action film. This is the much more weeb shit than the Ghibli/Shinkai films. They're Movies that are forgettable throwins to popular series (or in the Quintuplets' case, the end of the story). Before the pandemic, movies like these would be a special appearance at theaters at best and wouldn't be given a second thought for even limited releases. After the pandemic, they're getting wide releases and even succeeding at the box office. Mugen Train was a huge hit in 2021 Stateside, a DBZ movie even hit number 1 in theaters for a week, and the other two got wide releases.

This type of thing would have NEVER happened before the pandemic, and yet it happens regularly enough to say that there's been a notable change somewhere for movies in the theater...and it's not like "anime is bigger, a rising tide lifts all boats", but much more likely "theaters are shrinking, a draining lake reveals more islands."

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Interesting. Wasn't aware of that. I'm surprised the shonen stuff is doing well but I guess the kids that grew up with DBZ and the like on TV are all adults now.

Makes sense the shonen is doing well since it's usually right in line with the Superhero movies that keep getting made over and over again.

I heard that one of the Shinkai movies did well in the states, I think it was Kiminonawa? Kind of surprised it did but I guess that was before the trans stuff hit the culture wars.

Saw the newest Shinkai movie recently and must say I enjoyed it but I don't think it can do well in the west. Too Japanese for mass market appeal I think, don't think the average westerner will understand 3/11 by just the numbers.

[–]Countach_3D 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It does appear that Avatar 2 will be in 3-D though.

[–]jacques1102 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

I'll tell you i'm in a verified discord that surprisingly has a lot of gay people in it, and nobody was talking about this movie.For all the hype surrounding the "First openly gay"character there wasn't any hype from gays.

[–][deleted] 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

That's the problem with the pandering to the LGBTQ mafia, they screech endlessy for "QuEeR RePrEsEnTaShUn!!!", but when some movie producer/ game developer/writer/artist cave in and finally cater to them, those woke assholes don't even buy the product they asked for. Never cater to these loonatics.

[–]Newzok 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It's almost as if they're two different groups of people!

[–]SMCAB 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Queer representation except for mass murderers, cannibals, pedos, groomers, and freaks.

[–]Davethe_blank_ 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

if all the LGTBTQ+-? went to the movie, it would still be a bomb. They are not that much of the population.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Even less sense to pander to them, then.

[–]SolidSnek 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

Turns out representation is really just something to whine about not something that actually adds significant value.

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Proven so.

Black women have the highest self-esteem of any group and white women one of the lowest.

It seems low representation is a psychological benefit and protection rather than a problem which needs solving.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Oh, that's very interesing.🤓☝️

[–]ClassroomPast6178 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Because it’s never enough.

There’s always one more group that needs representation, because ultimately they won’t be happy until they’re starring in the film themselves.

The CW played the woke game and for the past four years lost $2 for every $1 they brought in. They had two huge series that should have been bringing them bank but Supernatural was getting too expensive by the time season 15 rolled around and they allowed the executive producers of the Arrowverse to go full retard.

[–]Newzok 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

I don't even think it's that. The studio doesn't know what people want, it has woke LA up the wazoo. If I want to see a movie about gay issues I'll go watch that. Doesn't have to be a big expensive film. Who cares if you made a character in some sci-fi story gay? Even the gay couple in that Star Trek show made me go, 'why?'.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

I didn't mind them at first but after they resurrected the boyfriend with magic space mushrooms I assumed the writers were smoking them.

[–]Newzok 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

I'll take the L and admit I watched that show until the end of that season. Dreadful, but something to put on when all the other Netflix options were exhausted.

Anyway, yeah wtf was with that shit. Extremely sterile and blandly written relationship but felt like they thought they were pushing boundaries. Everything in that show was like that.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I watched until the end of season three I think. It just gets progressively worse. Season three for like the first five minutes it started to look interesting but it clearly was using the "mystery box" formula and went nowhere.

[–]Newzok 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Is that after Michael saves the universe with her angel suit? I quit after that... She starts a klingon war, then ends it, then a bunch of hooey and she's a time traveller averting whatever it was.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

She travels to the future and then does a mutiny or some shit but then it turns out she was right the whole time or something and somewhat and she saves the federation from becoming an isolationist cabal of something or others and makes the Vulcans and the Romulans friends after meeting her mother who is now a Vulcan priestest in the future because reasons. Something else happens and she becomes captain or something. I honestly don't remember much. It went off the rails and got boring pretty quick. Not bothered to watch season four but apparently it's more of the same. Stacey Abrams is dictator of earth and has turned it into a kind of space north Korean isolationist state, Michael convinces her otherwise, nostalgia bate from some good TOS episode appears and the get rid of Michelle Yeoh who is like the last character that is any good. Then I stopped watching.

Only part I really remember was they added a non-binary character that had an awkward scene where she comes out as non-binary to the gay guy and he's like , ok. It was funny to me because the whole thing played off like some insecure teenager getting patronized but it was supposed to be some progressive message of love or acceptance or whatnot.

It's just all around not a great show. Plot is meh, they focus more on shooty shooty boom boom then plot. There's always some cataclysmic existential threat that only Michael can stop by being emotional or something.

Like just give me back the stupid episodes where the doctor falls in love with an alien ghost candle please. Monster of the week is so much better than weak season monster that turns out to be a misunderstood child the whole time.

I heard season four was even worse some kind of dark energy monster wants to destroy earth but first they've got to work out their feminine energy bullshit on the bridge by having a cry session or something. Riveting stuff.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But to be fair was still better than Captain Picard's journey will Romulan Legolas, alcoholic woman, and some Mexican Guy to defeat the forces of Android Racism and THE REAPERS through the power of SHEER FUCKING HUBRIS.

I heard season two had Picard become a Trump supporter and 7 of 11 hooked up with the alcoholic chick, so it doesn't sound like I missed much.

[–]Newzok 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Haha yeah that's about right! And Michael is always right even when she's wrong because everything revolves around her for some reason. Not surprised there's an nb in there now...

[–]SolidSnek 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

RIP arrowverse. I still can't believe they ended that show with Ollie falling off a cliff. Really bold of them to end halfway through season 3.

Jokes aside I should thank Guggie. He taught how ridiculous wokeism is before anyone had a chance to gaslight me into it.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've heard none of that hype before seeing this article. It seems to me like the only people who would care the character is gay or not would be the upset parents who are already boycotting Disney over the Buzz Light-year movie.

[–]Enemycupcake 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

I had no idea this movie even existed, but I don't think dumping a bunch of money into advertising would have helped it. Their executive admitted to having a not-so-secret gay agenda, and people don't want to be preached to. If anything it would have probably hurt the company to draw attention to it after having that come out

[–]Bonn1770 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

People forget that in 2007 - 2008 the script writers in Hollywood went on strike for better pay. Hollywood said "no" and a lot of really talented writers walked. Without good writing you don't get a good movie. Period. The scabs and hacks that took over writing movies gave us a bunch of lackluster remakes, and endless carbon copy superhero movies. Now they use homosexual themes, replace traditional white characters with blacks, basically inject woke crap into their movies and when they fail because the script sucks they can blame all the Nazi chuds for their movie's failure, like they are doing with Strange World, or Bros. We CAN have gay themed movies. Brokeback Mountain was a great film, not because the main characters were gay, but because the story and dialog are great.

So why doesn't anyone ask the question, why exactly do we need to have homosexual characters in a children's cartoon? Sure they don't show the gay character in Strange World taking it up the ass, but remember when people objected to gay marriage they said, "it's not like we are going to teach your kids to be gay in school" and yet here we are with really young children being taught about anal sex in school, and being exposed to gay men stripping at all ages drag shows, with armed thugs enforcing this degeneracy at the door, and gays saying out loud "yes in fact we are coming for your children". The slippery slope is very real.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

I've seen trailers for it in the theater but basically nothing besides that. The trailers did not leave me with any desire to see it as it looked like a bland soulless "adventure" move of the "wow look pretty colors" type. No clue the lead was gay, I'd probably have been even less likely to care if I'd known that.

Lack of advertising for this one definitely makes it seem like they're trying to forget it. Recent shakeups at Disney seem to further that impression. Since Disney is still basically in the market of making kids movies and the conservative side of the culture war seems to be back into all out Disney boycott mode I do think that had they marketed this aggressively as gay it would have created a lot of backlash. Light-year got the most attention there cause they marketed the blink and you'll miss it lesbian relationship hard but the movie itself was bland and uninteresting which led to it's failure. Actually before that I think the "Turning Red" movie turned a lot of parents sour, seems they took the lesson that because they mentioned menstruation in passing that was what was offending people, but if you read the outrage threads on it they barely mentioned that and it was the weird sexualization of the tweens along with the moral of the movie seemingly being "I don't have to listen to you anymore mom I'm 13!" that had parents very upset.

Reckon you'll see Disney go back to Princess movies in a year or two.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

I don't think Disney will even come back to making those silly Princess movies, they are not as profitable as they used to be in the past, also it seems that Disney don't give a shit about little girls anymore. They rather pander to nerds with their Marvel and Shit Wars movies beacuse they are much more profitable.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Those nerds are deserting Disney, Star Wars is almost dead as an IP and Marvel Phase 4 has flopped.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Lol that's a good news for me xd

I'm so tired of these capeshit movies, way too many of them

[–]ClassroomPast6178 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

That’s kinda like the Wokies though, they don’t like something so they want it changed or gone.

Simple answer to not liking capeshit, is not to watch capeshit.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

I already don't watch capeshit, but I cannot avoid it even though i'm trying because nerds NEVER SHUT UP about it on the internet and the real life. That's so fucking annoying, marvel fans are more obsessed than weaboos and furries.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

So, what you’re saying is that you’d like a final, umm, answer, a - shall we say - ultimate solution to the Nerd problem?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Lol Not sure what do you mean....😨

Look, I don't mind nerds existing but they should just be more considerate of other people and remember that not everyone passionately enjoy things they way they do and just down their autism a little bit in the public.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Great, now what am I supposed to do with all these trains and cattle cars? It cost extra to put the Thomas the Tank Engine faces on, y’know!

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Idk the budget on those is high and I think they slowly lose their appeal in the mass market. But the princess movies tend to do really well financially and long term.

[–]Newzok 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

people don't want to be preached to.

I was going to make a long post about who's doing this, why gays don't buy this shit and how there's this odd disconnect between representation and interest, but this just sums it up. I'm so fucking done being preached at, on just about any woke subject but most of all the useless idea that is representation. Just give me a good earnest movie, b. It's as simple as that.

[–]UncleWillard56 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Why do we need to know who cartoons are fucking?

[–]ClassroomPast6178 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because there are increasingly people who cannot empathise with anyone who doesn’t look like/act like/fuck like/speak like them. They’re not autists, they’re just self-centred cunts who demand everything be about them, and that their lives and interests are the most (delete as required): amazing/interesting/difficult/oppressed/worthy

Oh and somehow, where you stick your penis/tongue/fingers has become the most important thing about you, and everyone must celebrate your penis/tongue/finger sticking and woebetide anyone who finds it a little disgusting/embarrassing/impolite to talk about or thinks that children should probably not need to think about sticking their penises/tongues/fingers into other people until they hit puberty and even then it’s not for other people to discuss it with them without their parents’ knowledge and consent and the discussion certainly shouldn’t be kept a secret.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No idea either, it's a children movie, it shouldn't matter at all

It creeps me out that those groomers always latch onto children's media.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To secure the future for trans-babies everywhere.

[–]Datachost 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How did this movie even cost almost $200m in the first place? It looks awful. Not even in terms of story or whatever, aesthetically, artistically it looks awful. It's got that weird art style where the women sort of look like women, though still with weirdly exaggerated mouths, but the men don't even look like people, because they all have weird bulb noses.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Movies are expensive to make. Money doesn't exactly equate to talent. They likely spend loads of it on ancillary positions like diversity officers and what not, but more normally they need to have people do the backgrounds and render the cgi and what not. 200 million doesn't really seem like that much to a big company like Disney to me.

[–]hfxB0oyADon't piss on my head & tell me it's raining. 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm hearing that, even with the woke bullshit aside, it's just a boring movie.

[–]alladd 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The mental gymnastics of "they made it so they could have it fail so they could not make gay characters anymore" is something to behold. Why not just...not make it? These tumblerinas act as though their spoiled, uncontributing whining, uncorroborated by their actual purchase histories, have any effect whatsoever on Disney's decisions as a company. Even if they did, you think the reaction would be to intentionally lose millions by failing to capture a demographic (read: Disney adults) with almost nothing but disposable income?

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think they're totally out of touch with reality. Totally think they see the world as a binary of pro me vs Nazis.

[–]FlyingKangaroo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Learning accidentally about this movie some months ago made me think it has nice visuals (I like this fantasy land) but when I learned it will be a queer movie I decided not to watch it.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It just looked like every other movie to me. It seems like Disney is trying to copy Avatar frankly.

[–]FlyingKangaroo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Perhaps I was excited back then because I heard rumors it will be inspired by Wayne Barlowe’s “Expedition” and I watched years ago the mockumentary Alien Planet (2005) which had stunning animations for me at that time. I connected these two and was interesting what they will come up with, but now it really seems they’re more into copying Avatar. And adding queer stuff of course.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Seems incredibly generic to me. Even the queer stuff seems like "guy flirts with boy for five seconds" rather than something that might actually be narratively interesting like, "guy is gay for alien".

[–]Femaleisnthateful 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I see headline after headline on Alphabet news sites launching into various conspiracy theories about why this movie failed.

Not one has ever given a convincing reason why anyone should want to go see it.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Journalists gotta eat.