Lesbians on r/AL actually try to discuss the issue of Lesbophobia. Mod locks the thread of course.

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[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 79 insightful - 9 fun79 insightful - 8 fun80 insightful - 9 fun -  (30 children)

"So i personally get uncomfortable when i see "lesbophobia" because its very often a word thrown around by TERFs to invalidate trans people of all varieties. Its something that was coopted into their rhetoric and that probably is part of why no one talks about it."

You feel uncomfortable about real lesbians, meaning homosexual women who don't want to have anything to do with dick. You only accept fake lesbianism, which is actually bisexuality, validating your delusions.

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 43 insightful - 3 fun43 insightful - 2 fun44 insightful - 3 fun -  (18 children)

Exacly! They do not realise OR do not WANT to realise that the reason that place is soooo trans inclusive is because there are there plenty of bi women (who actually like d*ck and validate them uwu).

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries"[S] 34 insightful - 1 fun34 insightful - 0 fun35 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

It would help if everyone were required to have flair or idk identify honestly but there are so many shitty bi women constantly speaking on behalf of lesbians. I have zero issue with bi women at all or having a bi partner, but this type has perhaps unintentionally created a monster by constantly telling TW that lesbians will be attracted to them without ever disclosing that they are bi other their post history giving it away and having that thought in the first place. If lesbians were allowed to be honest as the gay men in askgaybros are and speak on our own behalf, there would be a lot less delusion and it would save TW from a lot of pain down the line.

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 35 insightful - 7 fun35 insightful - 6 fun36 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

I don't mind at all about the existence of wlw spaces. But for me, it's really important to have also a 'cis' lesbians only space. It was so hard for me to fully accept myself and not feel shame and the least I want to hear about is dick FFS. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WOMEN AND NO FREAKING DICKS. I don't give a shit if this is 'triggering' to some people, I too deserve to be happy and have my spaces. I already hear about freaking men and d*ck on a DAILY BASIS, I have currently literally NO ONE to share my attraction with women (WOMEN BEING BIOLOGICAL WOMEN, BOOBS, PUSSY, YES THAT'S WHAT BEING ATTRACTED TO WOMEN IS). I'm angry LMAO.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries"[S] 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Coming to terms with the fact I’m a lesbian in large part involved coming to terms with the fact that my strong attraction to pussy, boobs, women’s bodies in general, etc. and my lack of interest in men wasn’t me being a creepy perv fetishist but just me having a homosexual orientation. I never understood why I had such a strong sex drive that seemed to die when I thought about or was around men. What a disappointment it was to enter the LGBT “community” and try to find people who felt the same way only to learn that I still can’t talk about that shit. But fetishizing women doing their jobs is apparently PC. . . .

When I told my straight friends about this they were at first reluctant to believe just how bad it is, but they are sympathetic. Now that their ears are to the ground, they have verified they are hearing about the same thing from others and are horrified.

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 33 insightful - 7 fun33 insightful - 6 fun34 insightful - 7 fun -  (3 children)

Askgaybros isn't moderates by a bunch of crazy transmen wanting them to like boypussy

[–]deliciousdogfoodmy name isnt a puppyplay reference i swear 27 insightful - 10 fun27 insightful - 9 fun28 insightful - 10 fun -  (2 children)

God I hate the term boypussy. So very much. If I heard it during sex I'm pretty sure my dick would retreat into my body and never return.

I can only imagine how uncomfortable it must be for lesbians to have the concept of girldick constantly shoved in their faces.

[–]CJLez 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

The very worst one I ever heard was...

"Clit on a stick"

[–]deliciousdogfoodmy name isnt a puppyplay reference i swear 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

barfing forever

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 34 insightful - 1 fun34 insightful - 0 fun35 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Yeah, recently I wacthed a video of a bi video about lesbian sex, and she mentioned something to do with balls lol I got no problem with bisexuals, in fact the only woman I've loved since now was bisexual, but bisexual idiots calling themselves lesbians or trying to include dick into lesbianism are fucking cancer. The reality is they cannot never understand what it means to being actual lesbian, someone who got zero attraction toward male

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries"[S] 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Omg what. Balls?! I don’t even want to know, do I? I’m reminded of one of those creepy TW-created sex guides directed at young lesbians that talked about some disturbing act called “muffing” which is . . .vomit warning . . . apparently fingering some kind of canal behind the scrotum. I wanted to barf. Somehow I don’t think any group other than lesbians is getting that in their sex guide.

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, that's exactly what she was talkibg about. Made me want to vomit.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

There really shouldn't be any videos about lesbian sex that discuss balls. (Cue a thousand horrified-expression GIFs.) Any bisexual person who is literate should be able to understand this. Unless, of course, they have given in to the TRA delusions and bullying. And if they are making a video for "lesbians" who like male bodies, then they should probably at least specify that in the description so no one is surprised who still thought the word "lesbian" had a simple, clear definition to everyone who uses the term.

[–]MyLongestJourney 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I’m reminded of one of those creepy TW-created sex guides directed at young lesbians that talked about some disturbing act called “muffing” which is . . .vomit warning . . . apparently fingering some kind of canal behind the scrotum.

🤮🤮🤮

[–]BigMommyMilkersYes, they're real 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There was a Heathline article written by a bi woman about lesbian sex which included anal and pregnancy, bi women are often just as bad as TRAs with this homophobic crap

[–]writerlylesbian 30 insightful - 1 fun30 insightful - 0 fun31 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes, quite frankly, this has been a huge problem going on for years. I know of a lesbian festival that ended up in a huge legal mess years ago because a bisexual woman who called herself a lesbian wanted to take her male partner (transwoman), and the organisers said no, and then said man sued the festival for discrimination (and lost, but only on a technicality. Court actually agreed he'd been unfairly discriminated against by lesbians).

I do think though that as unfair as it is, the onus is on lesbians to stand our ground and call this stuff out. Things have gotten so bad because of years of lesbians being kind and nice and not drawing a hard line around lesbian-only spaces and telling everyone else to get out (the bisexuals, the celibate straight women etc.)

Obviously in LGB spaces or spaces that are for lesbians and bi women, then that's completely different, no issues with bisexual women in those spaces. But I think lesbians really have to bite the bullet and learn to be 'meeeean' about having hard boundaries around lesbian-only spaces.

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I do think though that as unfair as it is, the onus is on lesbians to stand our ground and call this stuff out.

As a bisexual, I really wish there was more I and other bisexuals could do, but beyond publicly shaming them (for example by writing comments such as this or confronting them directly with comments like 'did you know that the definition of 'lesbian' includes not gobbling cock and liking it?' which doesn't get received very well, surprisingly.) I don't know if there's much else we can do. These women call themselves 'lesbians' and I don't even really want to tell them 'shut up, you're bi!' because 1- it becomes 'how dare you bi-splain my sexuality to me, RRREEEEE???' and 2- they're annoying and have internalized biphobia and I really don't even want to claim them (that's why I'm like, 'nope, these are obviously pansexuals' they're just too cringy.)

I think both L's and B's need to stand together and be like "the definition of 'lesbian' is this very very specific thing. NO EXCPTIONS. Just because you don't want to call yourself bisexual doesn't mean you get to steal someone else's label and shit all over it. Go ruin pansexuality and leave us alone!" (That last sentence is optional for you L's. If you want to say 'GTFO and go make the B's miserable instead', I don't blame you.)

[–]writerlylesbian 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think both L's and B's need to stand together and be like "the definition of 'lesbian' is this very very specific thing. NO EXCPTIONS.

I think this is helpful, though. Doesn't hurt for the G's to join in defending lesbians, either. This is pretty much the approach taken by the new LGB Alliance, where they recognise the pressures that lesbians in particular are facing and are very clear about what a lesbian is. Because this nonsense has been going on for so long, and spread so far, it's going to take a lot of basic repetition before the narrative starts to shift.

And some of these problems are mixed up with both women and men treating 'lesbian' as a porn fantasy. The mainstream media will happily run articles all day every day about 'lesbians' who have boyfriends, because that is cool and fun and sexy whereas women saying no to men is a hate crime, obvs. Calling it out won't necessarily stop them doing it, but it makes it clear that lesbians are not happy about being misappropriated in that way.

Hasn't bisexuality joined the list of transphobic sexualities anyway? Hopefully that means all the attention-seeking sorts won't want to be viewed that way anymore, and can all go be omnisexuals or whatever crazy word they're using now.

[–]Gearbeta 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Really we need more wlw spaces that just boot out the bi women who can't stop talking about dick. Like you don't belong there. We can keep the bi women who are serious about having relationships with women (if they are HONEST about being bisexual) and the dick obsessed ones can go to the thousands of other areas for them to talk about heterosexual attraction. And lesbians should have an area just for them separate from the wlw spaces as well.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I will happily stand guard outside your WLW (no dick talk) / lesbian spaces to keep the inconsiderate, obtuse people out.

[–][deleted] 22 insightful - 3 fun22 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

Those people are fake bi too, believe me. I don’t know any bisexuals who are down with this shit. Funny thing, bi women I know are way less likely to date anyone trans. Lesbians sometimes date trans dudes that were “lesbians” before transition, but most of the bi women I’ve met are like NO WAY to either trans.

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 18 insightful - 8 fun18 insightful - 7 fun19 insightful - 8 fun -  (6 children)

Yeah, that's the thing. If I want to date a penis-haver, I'd just date a regular dude. Dating a trans identified male is.............. a very acquired taste, let's say...

[–][deleted] 21 insightful - 10 fun21 insightful - 9 fun22 insightful - 10 fun -  (5 children)

Yeah my best friend is a bi woman who is married to a woman, but she was seriously like “why the fuck would I want to date a man with no dick and a woman with no pussy? Plus, what they have is all fucked up from hormones and probably doesn’t work, and they probably don’t want me to touch it, and they probably have weird rules. That’s crazy talk” lol

I can kind of see what she means.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 14 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 5 fun -  (4 children)

All of the above. The real thing only, please, either way. I do not want to play "let's pretend." I really suck at maintaining the suspension of disbelief, which would not be fun for me or them. So let's not.

[–][deleted] 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah, and honestly, I feel bad for bisexuals because they are expected to accommodate BOTH female-to-male and male-to-female transsexuals. They are literally expected to choose both. Lol. Lesbians are hounded by one

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Now that you put it that way it sounds even worse, lol, thanks. NOPE and NOPE.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Lol. Some of my trans friend are like “I guess I’ll go for bi girls....” and I just quietly sit there until I can’t handle it anymore like “so, the thing about the bi women I know, in particular...well...they are pretty standard in liking the people they date to be okay with the parts they were born with and being able to comfortably name them and stuff.....I think it’s part of being bi, to come to accept being into women and men as they are and that it’s fine....because they have to accept themselves when everyone else is monosexual. I dunno...”

Most trans guys I know have better luck with straight women, which seems weird I guess

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

LOL, thank you for helping us out. It is not easy to explain to a naive, childlike adult that they failed to do enough market research before offering up non-standard wares for sale to people who generally are looking for the standard stuff. None of us is going to have success if we wander into the wrong market with what we have to sell or go to the wrong store looking for what we'd like to buy. As every LGB person on this planet well knows. Our annoying kid brother over here (the new, loud, non-dysphoric / incel / narcissist / AGP variety, that is), on the other hand, still thinks he's the best thing evar and everyone had better go along with that or there will be trouble. Ya got two hands, kiddo—use 'em like the rest of us have to sometimes. Sheesh.

As for the trans men, considering how many straight women wish their gay male friends (typically more emotionally available, better at grooming, etc.—at least that's the case when I hear these comments made) were available to date, this kinda makes sense. It is probably a nice change of pace for them to have someone around they can avoid thinking of as a woman, who also understands a lot more about being a woman than any man ever will.

[–]LasagnaRossa 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm one of those bisexuals too. I'm attracted to men and women, not some odd mix. If I wanted the main characteristics of the other sex, I'd go with the other sex, it's that simple.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, but they assume bisexuals are gonna be open with a Mr. Potato Head mixup situation. Lol.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, but they assume bisexuals are gonna be open with a Mr. Potato Head mixup situation. Lol.

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