ok for wlw ladies who are significantly taller than their girlfriend, how does your petite gf compensate for the height difference? by alexisbake in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We're all lesbians here. I, personally, am not a huge fan of tumblr-style language and labels.

Why do so many women deny the existence of misogyny? by RedditHatesLesbians in GenderCritical

[–]writerlylesbian 25 insightful - 2 fun25 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I think the vast majority of women cope with their lives by carrying around a huge load of cognitive dissonance. This basically allows them to function and get through a life that might otherwise be unbearable. The problem is, that load of cognitive dissonance also prevents them from ever really seeing what the issues are, and how to actually fight effectively. Since women like this are also constantly gaslighting themselves, it also means that they're very susceptible to other forms of gaslighting too - societal gaslighting, manipulation from partners or family members, and so on.

This is why I think women have fallen for the transactivist movement so easily. It's not just female socialisation kicking in (empathy for a supposedly oppressed minority); it's also because women spend so much time lying to themselves that they can't see truth from lies very well.

Men know this about women, and take advantage of it all the time.

Interesting Body Parts by [deleted] in Lesbians

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Hands.

Anyone else get really sick of heterosexual culture sometimes? by Depressed in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think it was cynical marketing. I certainly remember that when the show’s creators were on the lesbian arts circuit, they would talk about Frankie as bisexual. But then in the wider media, they’d refer to her as a lesbian. Basically to perpetuate the idea that guys still get to bang hot lesbians, because that always plays well with the straights.

The show actually shoots down the sexual fluidity argument with the creepy dude who had a crush on his lesbian friend. Though everything about that plot line is handled atrociously.

Lip Service overall was just a money grab to try and perpetuate the L Word’s success, without really understanding why fans actually liked that show.

Anyone else get really sick of heterosexual culture sometimes? by Depressed in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have no idea what the writer is doing these days, but she was well known in the lesbian UK community 10 years ago when the show came out.

I think the reason why the show is full of terrible tropes is because of trying to pander to a straight audience, and because the writer wasn’t that talented so had to go for cheap drama and weird sex. Technically, I think Frankie is meant to be bisexual but more orientated towards women, but then half the time she gets called a lesbian anyway, which isn’t cool.

Anyone else get really sick of heterosexual culture sometimes? by Depressed in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

For better or worse, Lip Service was written by a lesbian.

Anyone else get really sick of heterosexual culture sometimes? by Depressed in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, I completely get what you're saying and I feel the same way. I don't engage very much with most western TV and movies, and this is part of the reason why. Just boring het story after boring het story. But for me it's coupled with the fact that I don't like a lot of US media, and the US tends to dominate that arena.

I know that anime and manga (rightly) tend to be viewed by suspicion/disliked by many around here, but, if you dig through all the pandering trash, there are some lesbian storylines and characters in anime that, in my view, in quality far exceed the vast majority of Western lesbian content. Third season of the original Sailor Moon anime (called Sailor Moon S) is always my go-to example, but there's many others. Also, there's a lot of slice-of-life anime series that focus solely on groups of female characters, with no men in sight, and while they're generally not lesbian as such, the characters still get to have storylines and character development that doesn't revolve around 1) getting with a man, and/or 2) being constantly surrounded by men and never interacting with another female.

Let's talk about Aimee Challenor by blackrainbow in LGBDropTheT

[–]writerlylesbian 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, pretty sure that's the one. Also might be another furry I think (?)

Let's talk about Aimee Challenor by blackrainbow in LGBDropTheT

[–]writerlylesbian 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A friend of Aimee's (another tra activist type) is one of the main mods of our favourite community, r/actualesbians

Literary agent fired for GC tweets on personal Twitter, feminists (and sane people) worldwide rally around her by BEB in GenderCritical

[–]writerlylesbian 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This actually has a high potential to backfire. If she’s a good agent, she will take her clients with her when she goes. And will quite likely attract a lot of writers who are otherwise worried about being cancelled for wrongthink.

I peaked after dating a trans girl and need advice on how to leave by lunemoonjune in GenderCritical

[–]writerlylesbian 86 insightful - 1 fun86 insightful - 0 fun87 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There are plenty of young lesbians who have been/are being gaslighted into dating these, quite frankly, predatory men who proliferate throughout LGBTQ spaces. OP may well be one of them. Being a lesbian who has been manipulated into practising conversion therapy on herself does not make her bisexual. She's still a lesbian if she's only attracted to women, i.e. biological females.

I peaked after dating a trans girl and need advice on how to leave by lunemoonjune in GenderCritical

[–]writerlylesbian 92 insightful - 1 fun92 insightful - 0 fun93 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What's with all the 'she'? This person is a male. A male who isn't even trying very hard to 'be a woman' from the sounds of it. (Not that any amount of 'effort' can result in someone magically changing sex anyway). This person is gaslighting you, making you have sex you don't want to have as a lesbian - heterosexual sex that involves interacting with a male person and their penis - and you are worried about this person? Really? I can promise you this person is not in any way worried about you or your wellbeing.

Don't even get drawn into explaining and reasoning with this person. No matter what it will end up with you being accused of being transphobic. Just don't give them the opportunity. Just say, it's not working, it's over. Block this individual every way you can and go no contact. That's it. That is your solution.

What other species would you want to evolve to also be "advanced space travelling species"? by hufflepuff-poet in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Eh, I mean, there's quite a bit of evidence already of some mammal species having their own complex societies and forms of communication (if not actual languages), e.g. elephants, dolphins, whales, monkey and ape species, to name some of the obvious ones. I think the issue is that humans have a vested interest in not recognising the rights or sentience of other species, as it were.

And sure, we can't communicate via spoken language with other species, but it doesn't mean that humans and animals can't learn other ways to communicate with each other. Again, I think this is largely humans being too dense/lazy/arrogant to want to take the time to learn how to interact with other species.

But, if we're just talking 'what animal would you like to see in sci-fi/outer space' then my answer would be whales. Artists and writers love putting whales in outer space for some reason, stuff like this: http://www.lassenart.com/MoreInfoForm2.asp?OriginalID=804. I like the idea of whales swimming through the stars.

Women are just objectively more aesthetically pleasing than men by RedditHatesLesbians in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That is awesome you're an artist! What kind of art do you make. Georgia O'Keefe made such beautiful art, and yeah, what a handsome woman! Seems like she separated from her husband and had a series of female 'friends.' Another artist I love is Evelyn de Morgan. I adore her paintings, but I also love how committed she was to being an artist, and how she told everyone to fuck off when they tried to stop her. My kinda lady, haha.

Mucha's art is gorgeous. I don't really know the right names for all the styles, but I love that line-art work type style from the early 20th century.

Edit: Art Nouveau of course.

Women are just objectively more aesthetically pleasing than men by RedditHatesLesbians in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. I loved looking at books with all the romantic paintings by John William Waterhouse & co because of all the beautiful women. Could never understand what was meant to be appealing about men.

"interesting" thread about the femme/butch label debate I've found, what do y'all think? by hyunnahh in Lesbians

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agree. bisexuals who actually spend a decent amount of time around lesbians generally get it.

Here’s the update you asked for by [deleted] in Lesbians

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Perfect name for him. So happy it all worked out for you!

Being associated with radical feminism is dragging this movement down. by Astrid2448 in LGBDropTheT

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Hey - I enjoy reading your comments here, I like them a lot because you have a lot of good insights. There are plenty of gay men, bi men and even a few straight men who have joined in and found productive areas of agreement where they can work with women and lesbians on this TRA issue. That's why I'm not too concerned about those sitting on the sidelines complaining, because there are people like that who will criticise every political movement, without ever contributing anything, and without ever intending to. Anyone who has been around political activism for any length of time knows better than to indulge them.

"interesting" thread about the femme/butch label debate I've found, what do y'all think? by hyunnahh in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What I have always said about this for years is that - no one is stopping bisexuals from building their own culture, if that is what they want. They can create their own language, their own spaces, their own art or whatever that centres bisexuals. They can invite their partners/friends/whoever into their spaces, where their bisexuality is celebrated. But they absolutely never seem to want to do that. They just shimmy between the straight world and the gay world, depending on who they're dating. And that's fine if they want to do that, but they can't then complain about how they're exactly the same, or conversely 'invisible', depending on what they're pissed off about that day, and that everything that's gay really belongs to them too.

"interesting" thread about the femme/butch label debate I've found, what do y'all think? by hyunnahh in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, it's so sexist. No woman could ever accomplish anything, so all the women who accomplished things were obviously men!! These people.

"interesting" thread about the femme/butch label debate I've found, what do y'all think? by hyunnahh in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's so tiring. But on the bright side - any time anyone starts using the special gender words, I know I can check right out because all I'll hear/read is a long spiel of homophobia vomit.

"interesting" thread about the femme/butch label debate I've found, what do y'all think? by hyunnahh in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 38 insightful - 3 fun38 insightful - 2 fun39 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Didn't read it all, stopped when it got to 'cis' lesbians and evol lesbian feminists.

What seems to have escaped the writer is that the reason it was formerly difficult to distinguish between lesbians and bi women is because women did not have independence or sexual autonomy. Very few women could survive without marriage, so it's virtually impossible to sit here hundreds of years later trying to guess which women having affairs were lesbians trapped in marriages or bisexual women who liked sex with both.

The era of second wave feminism and women's liberation, including women's sexual liberation, meant that lesbians started to be much more able to articulate and name their exclusive sexual attraction for women, as well as have the freedom to only pursue relationships with women. That started to make it pretty fucken' obvious which ones were the lesbians and which ones were the bisexuals.

I didn't even understand why she dragged butch/femme into the mess of an argument she was trying to make - that has always been something associated with lesbian culture, not bisexuals.

Edit: I finished reading it, because I'm a masochist. The gist of the argument seems to be: bisexuals have always hung around lesbians, therefore lesbians and bisexuals are indistinguishable, therefore lesbians don't own butch/femme, and a transwoman agrees with her so she's right. And the only reason lesbian-only culture/spaces existed in the 2nd wave was because evol radfems, not because feminism meant that tons of lesbians were suddenly able to come out of the closet and start their own communities.

But you can't expect much from someone who thinks they can fit the history of the evolution of lesbian identity into a twitter thread.

Being associated with radical feminism is dragging this movement down. by Astrid2448 in LGBDropTheT

[–]writerlylesbian 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Look, if there are a group of gay men who disagree with GC feminism so strongly, then there is nothing stopping them from breaking away and forming their own droptheT movement. By all means they can do the work of developing their position statements, lobbying governments, having conferences and getting all the death threats and rape threats like GC feminists and radical feminists do on the regular. They can look for allies wherever they think they're going to find them, though if they don't want to work with feminists then all they've got left is the conservatives who don't like transactivists, really.

You're looking at this through the wrong lens. Radical feminists built the resistance to trans ideology, because radical feminists were the only ones who cared about this issue while it was still only affecting a small minority of women. The radfem critique of trans ideology is only one tiny part of a much bigger political framework that is about looking at all the ways women are oppressed, but that tends to get forgotten because trans has become such a big issue. As the influence and toxicity of the transmovement has grown, a greater cross-section of people have stumbled across radical feminism precisely because radical feminists were the only group who had a functional critique of the trans movement. More or less, GC feminism grew out of that. A movement with a broader appeal that is still mostly founded on radical feminist political frameworks. Though naturally as the size and popularity of the movement grows, the understanding of the politics often gets watered down and distorted. Radical feminists and GC feminists are the ones who have done all the heavy lifting here. So it's laughable for a bunch of dudes to come along and threaten they will take their oh-so-important non-contributions elsewhere if feminists don't change our entire movement to suit them. My response would be - okay, off you go, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

Now, as seen in something like the LGB Alliance in the UK, clearly, there are gay men who are capable of working with lesbians who are radical feminists, and clearly there are lesbians who are radical feminists who are willing to work with and ally with gay men. That group was founded by a group of extremely experienced political activists who have been around for decades, and who made great contributions to the original LGB rights movement, and the 2nd wave feminist movement. If I'm going to look for a group to get behind, I, personally, would choose to ally myself with a group like that, who, as their founding principles have a commitment to advocating for homosexuals, as well as explicitly articulating a feminist politics and recognising how lesbians are affected by both homophobia and sexism.

But if there are a group of gay dudes who think the winning strategy is to built an anti-feminist movement that focuses solely on being transcritical, I'm not going to stop them. Any woman who wants to join that movement is likewise welcome to do so. But I sure as hell wouldn't be.

If you could have any pet in the world (including wild and extinct animals) what would it be and why? by IamWomanHearMeRoar in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Actually, I'm currently writing a sci-fi story where one of the characters comes from a tribe who basically live in the treetops in this big rainforest, and they ride around on giant mega-bats.

Being associated with radical feminism is dragging this movement down. by Astrid2448 in LGBDropTheT

[–]writerlylesbian 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

People are uncomfortable with GC as a community because people don't like it when women stand up for themselves and other women and say no to men. That is what the core issue is here. Feminists trying to appease men and not be threatening to men is what got us the shit-show of liberal feminism. It does not work. Instead of policing women for being angry at men, or generalising about men [oh the horror! how dare a woman not centre men's hurt feelings when talking about herself and her anger at what men do to women], maybe police men for being the ones who are raping and killing women.

Being associated with radical feminism is dragging this movement down. by Astrid2448 in LGBDropTheT

[–]writerlylesbian 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I was talking about the specific issue of LGB men saying that they feel uncomfortable with GC because of the anti-men sentiment that some GC users apparently display

Lol. In other words, men being uncomfortable with women who point out the realities of men oppressing women, and then say all those women are just bitter manhaters.

This post was an excuse for people who don't like feminists to shit all over feminists. It's grounded in misogyny. For years, radical feminists were the ONLY group who were standing up to the transactivists. They were the ONLY allies lesbians had. Gay men certainly weren't there giving a shit about lesbians. That has only happened very recently, because now gay men are being pressured to like pussy.

Being associated with radical feminism is dragging this movement down. by Astrid2448 in LGBDropTheT

[–]writerlylesbian 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

But who are women oppressed by? Women and men are not both oppressed by 'gender'. Women are oppressed by men, partly THROUGH gender, i.e. sex role stereotyping. If men don't like the sex role stereotyping they are being expected to perform, then they need to do something about it. Talking about 'some people' from 'all groups' being bad completely invisibilises the fairly significant and obvious sex-based pattern of oppression that is going on.

Being associated with radical feminism is dragging this movement down. by Astrid2448 in LGBDropTheT

[–]writerlylesbian 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The radical in radical feminism means 'root' - not extreme. The feminism that seeks to get to the root of women's oppression. Basically, that means analysing and deconstructing society/women's place in society/examining common experiences of oppression women have in order to find similarities and patterns and understand how the oppression of women works, in order to start to resist and push back against it.

Unsurprisingly, male violence against women is a central cause of women's oppression in societies all around the world. That is why radical feminists go on so much about it. Radical feminists have been unpopular for talking about male violence against women since forever.

What I always ask is, who are these people who are so adamantly against wanting to acknowledge that violence against women is a problem. I mean, we are talking about thousands of women who die every year at the hands of men. This is a structural issue. It's not about individuals.

What are your demographics? Race, ethnicity, nationality, etc. by IamWomanHearMeRoar in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Australians tend not to suffer fools gladly. We can be blunt and tell it like it is, and we're often pretty irreverent when it comes to authority etc. There was a video going round recently of someone yelling at the Prime Minister to get off his lawn during a press conference, lol. And the PM was like, yeah, he's right, we should get off his lawn. I can't imagine that happening in many countries around the world.

But I'd say a lot of Australians are more community minded than those in some other western countries - definitely WAY more than the US, for example. So we do actually give half a shit about the people around us, sometimes.

If you could have any pet in the world (including wild and extinct animals) what would it be and why? by IamWomanHearMeRoar in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I adore bats (especially flying foxes). I don't understand why so many people think they're dirty and ugly. Their little faces and their wings with their little claws are some of the cutest damn things in existence.

If you could have any pet in the world (including wild and extinct animals) what would it be and why? by IamWomanHearMeRoar in Lesbians

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I've always loved unicorns and dragons. I know they're the fantasy creatures everyone loves, but...Yeah, I love them anyway. If I had to choose a real animal, I think I'd go with a Cheetah. I have watched videos of people who work at Cheetah rescues and they just seem like awesome giant housecats. And they're so affectionate! They love to sleep with their people. Lifegoal is now to sleep underneath a pile of purring cheetahs.

What are your demographics? Race, ethnicity, nationality, etc. by IamWomanHearMeRoar in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

haha, yes, we're the nation founded on the trash who got kicked of other countries, lololol.

I did some data analysis on the AL demographics survey. Any requests? by reluctant_commenter in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, I'd be happy to have links/resources. Not in possession of a lot of spare time right now, but eventually it would be cool to look into it.

I did some data analysis on the AL demographics survey. Any requests? by reluctant_commenter in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're amazing, I suck at making graphs and that kind of thing. Really cool the way you've put everything together. The "Is lesbian?" question on the side of the graph really made me laugh. Quite striking how much the non-lesbians outnumber the lesbians in pretty much all age categories. And the fact that it skews very young confirms what I had always assumed to be the case with that site.

Because I absolutely adore your writing

Thank you :) Glad someone enjoys my internet rambling.

What are your demographics? Race, ethnicity, nationality, etc. by IamWomanHearMeRoar in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Australian, late 30s, mix of English and Irish ancestry

I did some data analysis on the AL demographics survey. Any requests? by reluctant_commenter in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you for taking the time to do this! Anything there on age? (I haven't looked at the raw data so I'm not sure what questions were in the purview). I bet age statistics would show some interesting trends, if it was there.

Have you had anyone question you for your stance on dating trans people? by reluctant_commenter in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't lie about anything. I've said I'm a lesbian the few times it's come up, I just work at one of those workplaces that has an established dysfunctional culture of bullying and other crap, so I'm not not going to be unguarded about anything, no matter what it. Not that anyone has really targeted me, for the lesbian thing or anything else, but that's largely because I can see potential issues coming from a mile off and steer clear.

Even a lot of younger people are starting to see problems with woke culture. Look for the ones who are not enthusiastically endorsing it. Not always, but that's often a sign someone isn't on board team woke, they just know they can't so, thus they don't say anything.

Tell me about your pets! by It-Do-Be-Like-That in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Birds are great! Green Cheek Conures are adorable.

I have one cat. But my housemate is a serial animal rescuer, so there's actually a whole menagerie here. Two cockatiels, a budgie, two snakes, a tarantula, and most recently two under-socialised guinea pigs my housemate is hoping to tame down. My cat isn't keen on other cats, but luckily she doesn't mind the menagerie, lol.

Show with a well written lesbian plot? by RedditHatesLesbians in Lesbians

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I would add another vote to this recommendation

Have you had anyone question you for your stance on dating trans people? by reluctant_commenter in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A lot of how things play out is context dependent. Like, for example, I have known of extreme cases where a particular transwoman got fixated on a lesbian, and then went nuclear after being turned down and made it a personal mission to destroy her life, re making her an outcast from the community, getting all her friends to turn against her etc. Happenings like this are why lesbians wised up and started leaving the 'community' in droves.

Having those discussions at work? Be very, very cautious. Particularly in liberal areas/jobs any whiff of terfiness can be enough to get you out. I pretty much don't discuss anything personal at work, or anything political. But I also can't stand most of the people I work with, so try not to talk to them at all, haha.

If it's just the general liberal rabble? Most of them aren't well informed enough to really understand the clusterfuck of LGBT politics. Even many committed liberals still understand the basic meaning of gay and lesbian, and will generally revert to those meanings/usages/understandings even if they stumble about with the clumsy woke vocab from time to time.

But if it's some weird situation where, for some reason, someone is trying to shame you, or pressure you, or get you to acknowledge that you could date a transwoman under some hypothetical circumstance, then just say 'nope' and walk away. You don't have to fight every battle every day. No one has the energy for that. People like that will just exhaust you if you let them.

Story time: the offended cat by IamWomanHearMeRoar in Lesbians

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There was one study that found humans and their cats actually develop something of an individual language unique to them. Scientists recorded a whole bunch of different cat meows, then played those meows back to the individual owner of each cat, and the humans generally knew what each sound meant. As in, oh that meow means the cat wants (x). But all the cats had developed different meows for various things, it's just that humans knew THEIR particular cat's noises, and what they meant.

My cat absolutely knows certain words and certain voice intonations. There was some other study that found cats generally knew when their owner was speaking to/about them, the cat just often ignored the owner if they felt like it. Lol. Very cat.

What goal do you have in mind when you join or subscribe to a lesbian [lesbian: noun; biological female exclusively sexually attracted to other biological females] forum? by [deleted] in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think for me it's all of them except 4. I'm not newly out, so that one doesn't apply to my particular situation.

Just a short little rant as to why I'm pissed that people's lives are being ruined over not wanting to be in a romantic relationship with trans people. by Smolders1 in LGBDropTheT

[–]writerlylesbian 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What I always say on this is that the trans movement is founded on a lot of abusive tactics - breaking boundaries, bullying, gaslighting, manipulation etc. - so as a movement it is naturally going to attract abusers who feel at home enacting all of these things. I don't think its a conspiracy exactly, but it's certainly a natural and logical consequence of how the movement is set up.

Political Lesbianism is not forced lesbianism/fake lesbianism. by [deleted] in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Anytime :)

Political Lesbianism is not forced lesbianism/fake lesbianism. by [deleted] in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I do actually have some thoughts on this, though when I say 'thoughts', I probably mean 'essay'. And I actually think that we are currently in a better position to manage this challenge than previous generations of women. Right. So, essay incoming. One thing I notice when reading a lot of the feminist sci fi that was written during the second wave, is that a lot of those novels made the assumption that all humans were innately bisexual. From that, I kind of extrapolate that this was an idea that was generally circulating in a lot of feminist spaces at the time. And it does make a certain amount of sense that women of the time were wondering about how much sexuality was a construct and how much of it was innate. That was an era when heterosexuality was very much enforced as the norm, and there weren't any alternatives.

But, we've now had a good 20+ or 30+ years in a handful of countries where it has been (sort-of mostly) okay to be gay, so if human sexuality really were that fluid, we would expect that we would have a sexual landscape that would have shifted very dramatically. That hasn't happened. Most people are still straight, while a minority are LGB. LGB just stopped being persecuted so much, which was obviously a good thing.

I can imagine that the idea, or perhaps the hope, that women could just train themselves out of attraction to men would have seemed like the perfect feminist solution to many problems the feminist movement was dealing with. But it hasn't panned out that way.

Related to this, it is only very recently that women have actually been able to have enough sexual autonomy to be able to be able to articulate and pursue their own desires, which I think is has helped us to be able to find where those boundaries are between lesbian desire, bisexual desire, and heterosexual desire, and to recognise that they are indeed different and distinct sexualities. The fact that we have been able to do this is hugely significant. Because it means we don't all have to smoosh together under a big umbrella like 'political lesbianism' - we can recognise areas of overlaps, as well as areas of difference, in terms of how we're treated in society as women, how we experience our sexuality, and what consequences that sexuality might have for us.

I think it's also helpful to think about how 'lesbianism' itself came to be viewed as a problem, and why. The concept of romantic friendship between women was hugely popular throughout much of the 18th and 19th century, and I have no doubt that there were lesbians who used the cover of romantic friendship to conduct their relationships. But society on the whole didn't care, at least nowhere near as much as it cared about policing gay men. I would argue that was because women largely could not opt out of marriage anyway, so dudes never felt like their control of women was threatened. But then came the first wave of feminism. Women were getting educated, getting jobs, earning their own money, getting into Boston Marriages so they could keep their independence. And again, not all of those women were lesbians, but I sure bet there were lesbians who embraced the Boston Marriage with huge amounts of enthusiasm, lol.

Concurrently, lesbianism (i.e. same sex desire between women) began to be discussed in the sexology literature of the time as a 'disorder' that needed to be treated. What a coincidence. So the recognition of lesbian desire as a distinct concept (seen as problematic by those dudes) paralleled the rise of women's rights. But I don't think that was just about starting to police lesbians, who were seen as a threat once they could have their sexual independence, though that absolutely was part of it. I think the larger project was to popularise the idea that any close relationship between women was suspect and unnatural, and I feel like even today we're still living with the legacy of that somewhat. And that feeds into all these strange ideas about how this or that women who even mildly bucks a completely standard life trajectory must be a lesbian. Which is of no help to lesbians, and no help to het or bi women either, quite frankly.

Anyway, where I'm going with this, is that lesbians are in a good position to articulate what we are, and how and why we're different from bisexual and heterosexual women. It's then up to bisexual and het women to own their own shit and figure themselves out too. They can't keep hiding behind lesbianism as a way to not deal with the problem of their relationships with men. They need to figure that out. We can't do it for them, and we need to have lesbianism as same-sex attracted homosexual woman because we need the space to talk about the negatives as well as the positives of lesbianism (like e.g. domestic violence in lesbian relationships), which we cannot do when we're held up as some great feminist ideal all other lesser women should aspire to.

But I also think that a lot of bisexual and heterosexual women recognise this too. And on bisexual women specifically, I find that the ones who have spent a lot of time in lesbian spaces generally integrate and don't cause a lot of issues. They can often actually better recognise what the differences are between themselves and lesbians, because they've spent a lot of time with lesbians. The ones who cause the problems are usually the 'tourists' coming from het land. They don't know or understand lesbian culture, come in crashing around like a bull in a china shop, bring a whole lot of heterosexual assumptions and attitudes along with them, start demanding sex and attention - and then get pissed off when lesbians don't react well, lol.

Unbelievably stupid list from latebloomerlesbians: signs that you are a late bloomer by Astrid2448 in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 37 insightful - 1 fun37 insightful - 0 fun38 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If my crush is nice to me and/or shows any level of reciprocity, I find a way to reject her. I mostly do this in front of other people to really drive the message home. I make it clear to everyone that I am partnered to a man. I notice that it hurts her. It hurts me more.

Wow, deliberately attract a woman to play with her feelings (so you can feel good about yourself/entertain yourself in your boring life), then reject her and hurt her, but YOU'RE the injured party. This is Exhibit A of why lesbians should steer clear of women who are obviously not lesbians.

Do you have any hobbies or special interests? by IamWomanHearMeRoar in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've never been a very techy person, so it's been really cool developing this whole new skillset and appreciation of electronics.

Political Lesbianism is not forced lesbianism/fake lesbianism. by [deleted] in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, I guess where we differ in our assessment is that I think political lesbianism's 'project', as it were, to redefine 'lesbian' as a term for all feminist separatist women, and excise lesbianism as meaning female homosexuality, was actually quite damaging for a lot of lesbians. Both then and now.

I do take your point about the movement creating space for some women to explore their lesbianism. I have met older women who talked about that being the case for them. But at the same time, space was taken away from lesbians who wanted lesbianism to be conceptually about female homosexuality. And such lesbians were often viewed as 'lesser' lesbians, by 'political lesbians' who were in fact often straight women, which is bizarre. I actually don't see it as very different to today's identity politics. The difference is that those co-opting lesbianism today are doing so within the framework of queer politics, whereas those of the second wave were doing it within a feminist framework.

It's difficult as well because theorising the ways that lesbians, specifically, were oppressed as both lesbians and women was important, and a lot of that work was being done in the feminist movement, but not in the gay movement which was a lot more focused on gay men. But I think it very unfortunate that a lot of that theorising ended up in a place where 'lesbianism' was an identity that had not much to do with being an actual lesbian. Because I think that was probably alienating to a lot of lesbians who then didn't necessarily want to engage with the feminist movement because they could see the anti-lesbian sentiment that was inherent in a lot of these co-options. So they went and joined the gay movement instead. But then the gay movement progressed without having a lot of understanding of feminism, which was also ultimately to the detriment of lesbians, who got ignored and marginalised there too.

I suppose the way I wish things had progressed was more like: 1) recognising lesbianism as a neutral sexual behaviour that has existed throughout history and across many different cultures and ethnicities (which suggests it is a biological phenomenon more than a culturally learned behaviour); 2) recognising that this behaviour has political consequences because patriarchy etc. but not collapsing it into a political identity, because it is a sexual behaviour that would continue to exist even if the political climate changed (e.g. feminism 'won' and there was no more oppression of women); 3) women getting together to form female only communities/groups, centreing themselves and other women, and recognising that such spaces will naturally be appealing to lesbians, without trying to say this is synonymous with lesbianism.

Political Lesbianism is not forced lesbianism/fake lesbianism. by [deleted] in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Joan Nestle is another writer to check out. She mostly wrote a lot about butch femme culture, and very much talked about lesbians as sexual beings (and women in general as sexual beings). She was critical of political lesbianism's attempts to de-sexualise lesbianism and make it an identity for any female feminist separatist. She also touches on the class aspects in some of her works.

Political Lesbianism is not forced lesbianism/fake lesbianism. by [deleted] in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I pretty much agree with how you've characterised the context of what political lesbianism meant back when the concept first came into being. I also agree that it gave many women a positive space in which they could connect with other women, and that it gave lesbians a space in which they could explore themselves and realise they were lesbians.

But I also agree with the person who quoted the recent Sheila Jeffreys article where she talks about sexuality being a social construct. That really is what she, and others, were arguing back then, and some of them are still arguing for it now. And I don't think we have a lot of evidence that most people can choose their sexuality at will.

The other thing I'd point out is that, regardless of the good intentions of political lesbianism in its original context, it still was absolutely a large-scale attempt to redefine what lesbianism meant. The intent was to move lesbianism away from being female homosexuality, and into being this other thing that was an ideological political position, that may or may not involve sexual contact with other women for some.

This did have negative consequences for some lesbians at the time, particularly those who resisted lesbianism becoming an identity and wanted to keep it as being a sexual orientation. There were a lot of lesbian feminists books that talked about lesbians who were sexually attracted to other women, but not feminists, as not being 'true lesbians', and being quite derogatory about such women. They were pretty much viewed as the 'genital fetishists' of the day, and I absolutely think it was the inherent homophobia in these 'political lesbians' (many of whom were just straight women) that made them act in pretty shitty ways towards actual lesbians who wanted to sleep with other women. Not in every case, of course, but there was a conflict going on there.

From talking to older lesbians who lived through those times, it seems like there was also a class element to all this as well. The butch femme culture that Jeffreys famously condemned was, from what I understand, mainly a culture of working class lesbians at the time. Many of the women who were involved in all the theorising around political lesbianism and lesbian feminism tended to be women who were middle class or upper class, and writing from within the university sector at the time. So it was a bit of a top-down movement that was seeking to reclassify lesbianism as something for all separatist women, regardless of sexual orientation, while the dirty genital fetishist lesbians (who weren't on board) didn't get a say. I know there was one lesbian from a working class background who ended up going into the university sector precisely because that community felt like they needed to have a voice who could push back against this whole idea of reclassifying lesbianism into an identity, because so many ordinary lesbians who weren't as politically involved weren't cool with it. I just wish I could remember who it was!

So I do think it's not surprising at how political lesbianism has evolved to become what it is today, because the seeds of that were already there in what the movement was proposing. I'm happy to recognise the original context of the idea, to talk of some of the positives that came out of it, but I'm also going to criticise what I see as some of its hugely problematic aspects, both then and now.

Do you have any hobbies or special interests? by IamWomanHearMeRoar in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have a few, but a new one I've gotten into recently is doing minor repairs on things like video game controllers, old game consoles (way simpler than the new ones!), I'm planning on taking my several-years old laptop apart to add a new battery and give everything a nice clean. I find it so satisfying being able to fix things. Hoping to move onto more complex things at some point, like my 3DS that really needs a new bottom screen.

Thoughts on the current climate on social media for young lesbians by Innisfree in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You absolutely nailed it. Speaking as someone in the younger demographic, I have heard so many times people saying "Oh, that's on brand" or "that's my brand" even in casual conversation, among my 18-22 y/o peers. I know that this is true for influencers or people who actively make money off their "brand"-- but this language is so pervasive even socially.

This is so much of what is wrong with contemporary life, imo

Thoughts on the current climate on social media for young lesbians by Innisfree in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, capitalism co-opting movements (many of which were anti-capitalist or at least critical of capitalism to begin with) is a huge topic all on its own.

Thoughts on the current climate on social media for young lesbians by Innisfree in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think one good thing that happens in this space is that when we disagree, we are generally disagreeing with IDEAS, not making it personal. We actually construct logical argument to support our position. The problem with the whole Instagram/TikTok culture of making yourself your own personal brand is that then, when someone disagrees with you, they are attacking YOU in a way. If you have turned yourself into a marketable commodity, then you have to protect your brand integrity. That means you can't question, you can't say things that will harm your 'brand' and the people who are following you as a brand. You can't let others question you either, or call your integrity into question. Because then all your followers won't like you any more, and you won't be profitable anymore.

A lot of this is actually the result of bastardising political activism and identities and turning them into capitalist commodities that can be bought and sold. Turns out that's a fucking atrocious idea. Who knew?

This NEVER happens: "A trans man is trying to get me kicked out of my master’s program because I won’t fuck him" by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]writerlylesbian 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That is an awesome saying. Totally stealing it.

What Would Your Dream Home Be? by CJLez in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Either: house by the ocean, warm climate, semi-rural but able to drive to civilisation without too much issue. Or, slightly further inland close to mountains, beach still fairly close, say within 30 mins, but a bigger plot of land, like, small acreage size. Still semi-rural.

Getting Really Sick of Trans Privilege by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

[–]writerlylesbian 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There was a similar case that happened here in Australia many years ago. This straight couple had gotten married somewhere overseas, I think. Then came to Australia. Then the guy transitioned. Same-sex marriage was illegal in Australia at that time, but the couple went to court or something and got their marriage upheld. This was supposed to be a 'win' for the LGBT. How? It's a straight couple who got to keep their marriage after the dude had some surgery and medication. If anything, all it proves is that transitioning doesn't cost a straight man any of his rights.

It took so many years for same-sex marriage to be legalised in Australia, and all the time there's this fricking het couple lording it over us as being the first 'same-sex couple' to get married...They needed to just fuck off back to straightsville.

LGB and types of attraction by reluctant_commenter in LGBDropTheT

[–]writerlylesbian 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think the fact that young people get exposed to porn so much probably feeds into the creation of all these extra labels and concepts. A lot of the time, they're told that porn = sex, and so for those who don't find that appealing, they think they must not want sex, or feel sexual desire. So then they come up with this whole language trying to describe what they feel, thinking they're all different, when what they're describing is actually closer to the way human sexuality works when it hasn't been hijacked by porn.

The "Sexual Spectrum": Why I Think It's Bunk by writerlylesbian in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, it makes sense that for some young people there may well be experimentation while they work themselves out. I also agree though that once adulthood hits, if you're still 'fluid' then you're not a lesbian!

Why is it so hard for people to realize how harmful they are to us? by throwaway080808 in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Turns out there are also a lot of young lesbians on here too, which is great to see. (I'm an old dinosaur lez)

This is just so upsetting to read and look at all the the upvotes and comments. by [deleted] in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's a group primarily for het women, and bi women I guess. The idea behind the group isn't bad, basically that women should actually hold men to some kind of standards in relationships and not be completely focused on just getting and keeping a man, any man, no matter how duchey he may be. But I think the 'translation' above: that these women seem to view lesbians as a consolation prize to toy with while they wait for the right man to show up, is pretty accurate. Also a really weird post for a woman to make when she's married to a guy and doesn't seem to have any intentions of leaving.

Why is it so hard for people to realize how harmful they are to us? by throwaway080808 in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 35 insightful - 1 fun35 insightful - 0 fun36 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

These are homophobes who have been emboldened by a sort of neo-homophobic cultural movement that makes them feel 'progressive' to shit all over lesbians. It's sucks that things have gotten this bad, it really does. Engaging with them won't help much. If that person really is a lesbian, she'll wake up sooner or later on her own. If she's not, then there's no point traumatising yourself trying to get through. Focus on finding the lesbians who already know what's going on, and build connections there.

I have no idea what the ages are like here. There are quite a lot of young lesbians on Spinster (at least going by those who share their ages in their profile).

This is just so upsetting to read and look at all the the upvotes and comments. by [deleted] in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 29 insightful - 12 fun29 insightful - 11 fun30 insightful - 12 fun -  (0 children)

These are my only two questions, really.

Would all those women, including OP, be willing date each other? If not, why not?

weird aspect to butch dysphoria by [deleted] in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A woman exists for herself, not anyone else. Her body is hers and she doesn't 'owe' it to anyone to objectify herself. A female body isn't wasted because the woman who owns it doesn't want to put herself on display.

Straight girl needs help overcoming her compulsory heterosexuality in order to make her heterosexual sex with a trans-identified male "queer." by yousaythosethings in LGBDropTheT

[–]writerlylesbian 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, the list was so long, but the one thing that should have been on there, being a female who is exclusively sexually attracted to other females, was not only omitted but explicitly called out as being unnecessary.

They should have gone into the many ways a young lesbian can feel wrong about womanhood, like a pervert, like a fraud, like she’s nuts, shouldn’t be a woman, hates her own body

Yes, the absence of having the understanding of how it feels to start experiencing sexual attraction to women whilst also being a woman is quite telling, isn't it?

Straight girl needs help overcoming her compulsory heterosexuality in order to make her heterosexual sex with a trans-identified male "queer." by yousaythosethings in LGBDropTheT

[–]writerlylesbian 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

So I just went and found the master doc and read it after that huge discussion thread about it on s/Lesbians, and wow...That is some...Thing. All the 'references' were tumblr blogs, which made me lol.

Wearing pants makes you a man, duh by RedditHatesLesbians in LGBDropTheT

[–]writerlylesbian 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Australian dinosaur lesbian here who went to high school in the 90s. Yes, the vast majority of schools in Australia have a school uniform you are obliged to wear. How strict the school is about adhering to the uniform usually depends on the school. State schools (i.e. the free schools funded by the government that any old riff-raff can go to) are usually more flexible than private schools, especially for state schools in poorer areas where parents often can't afford expensive uniforms. I went to one such state school, and the uniform was white polo shirt and shorts or school skirt in the warmer months, and a generic tracksuit of a certain colour in the cold months.

Meanwhile, snotty nosed private school kids I caught the bus with had much stricter uniforms, and they couldn't ignore it or switch it up at all. Girls had to wear skirts, no shorts for them, also usually blouses for the girls and shirts for the boys. Everything had to have the school logo plastered all over it. All of them, boys and girls, also had to wear hideous hats and even their schoolbag had to be a special one bought from the school with the school logo and colours.

But like I say - us trashy state school kids didn't care that much about sticking to the rules, and the school didn't care that much either. In winter, a lot of girls wore slacks rather than ugly track pants. A lot of the boys did too. At one point, our school got stroppy about it and tried to stop the girls (just the girls) wearing slacks, but that was just plain old sexism. And none of the girls cared, they just kept wearing slacks. I can't imagine that things would have changed so much that a girl would get accused of being 'one of them' (what? a lesbian? a transkid?) for wearing pants in 2013.

What she's really complaining about with all of the pressure to be cute, pretty, decorative etc. is sex-role stereotypes. Yes, they suck for everyone. That's why feminists want to get rid of them. They don't just suck for gender-specials, who think they should get exemptions and leave the rest of us in the poo.

The "Sexual Spectrum": Why I Think It's Bunk by writerlylesbian in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Much research into sexuality, whether historical or contemporary, is hot garbage underwritten by a whole bunch of unexamined biases and assumptions, and usually a lot of misogyny as well.

Porn, especially the way it is now, is basically filmed sexual exploitation. The fact that it's even considered to be in the realms of what should make up one's sexual appetites is just an indication of how fucking skewed and broken the entire study of sexuality is.

Why are lesbians more compliant with TRA than gay men? by rouge_tropical in LGBDropTheT

[–]writerlylesbian 51 insightful - 4 fun51 insightful - 3 fun52 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Yep, all these issues. All the way back in the mid-2000s when the war over Michfest was raging, there were so many lesbians who got sent death threats and rape threats, who had their businesses destroyed, who got ostracised, who lost their jobs. Big silence from the GBT, no fucks given from most of the feminist organisations at the time. And it's basically been going on the same way since then.

Where’s everyone from? by IamWomanHearMeRoar in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Australia. Currently having our second wave of Covid infections. Like, our case numbers here are still tiny compared to many other parts of the world, but we were so close to elimination for a while there, and now it's all gone to shit :/

Black women and mothers especially are teaching gender essentialisam O_o Damn my mother failed with her straight indoctrination. Tsk tsk tsk by fijupanda in LGBDropTheT

[–]writerlylesbian 25 insightful - 4 fun25 insightful - 3 fun26 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Blaming Black mothers for trans oppression. Couldn't make this stuff up. I would think Black mothers are probably more concerned with teaching their kids to survive in a dangerous racist society.

Lesbians on r/AL actually try to discuss the issue of Lesbophobia. Mod locks the thread of course. by yousaythosethings in LGBDropTheT

[–]writerlylesbian 19 insightful - 9 fun19 insightful - 8 fun20 insightful - 9 fun -  (0 children)

Mouthfeel is a word that is ruined forever. It should just be struck off the English language, preferably destroyed with a meteor or similar.

Lesbians on r/AL actually try to discuss the issue of Lesbophobia. Mod locks the thread of course. by yousaythosethings in LGBDropTheT

[–]writerlylesbian 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think both L's and B's need to stand together and be like "the definition of 'lesbian' is this very very specific thing. NO EXCPTIONS.

I think this is helpful, though. Doesn't hurt for the G's to join in defending lesbians, either. This is pretty much the approach taken by the new LGB Alliance, where they recognise the pressures that lesbians in particular are facing and are very clear about what a lesbian is. Because this nonsense has been going on for so long, and spread so far, it's going to take a lot of basic repetition before the narrative starts to shift.

And some of these problems are mixed up with both women and men treating 'lesbian' as a porn fantasy. The mainstream media will happily run articles all day every day about 'lesbians' who have boyfriends, because that is cool and fun and sexy whereas women saying no to men is a hate crime, obvs. Calling it out won't necessarily stop them doing it, but it makes it clear that lesbians are not happy about being misappropriated in that way.

Hasn't bisexuality joined the list of transphobic sexualities anyway? Hopefully that means all the attention-seeking sorts won't want to be viewed that way anymore, and can all go be omnisexuals or whatever crazy word they're using now.

At least 24% of the thread posters on r/actuallesbians are male and 56% of the moderators are also male by strictly in LGBDropTheT

[–]writerlylesbian 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Uh oh, maybe they've realised that all the lesbians have escaped...Expect some sad dicks soon as many dudes realise they've been wanking over other dudes spouting lesbian porn fantasies.

Lesbians on r/AL actually try to discuss the issue of Lesbophobia. Mod locks the thread of course. by yousaythosethings in LGBDropTheT

[–]writerlylesbian 20 insightful - 10 fun20 insightful - 9 fun21 insightful - 10 fun -  (0 children)

Haha, this makes me remember this absolutely tortuous tumblr incident where a lesbian wrote a post complaining about heterosexism in the media. She was pulling apart some article about some boring straight couple and how great their sex life was or something, I can't recall exactly.

So then someone comes along, and is all, "but what about lesbians who date transwomen with dicks???" and then this OP had to tie herself up in knots explaining why that would be totally okay to be celebrated in the media, and would be so different from celebrating a het couple. To this day, I wonder if that person asking the question was a troll who just wanted to see a genderist make a fool out of themselves.

Lesbians on r/AL actually try to discuss the issue of Lesbophobia. Mod locks the thread of course. by yousaythosethings in LGBDropTheT

[–]writerlylesbian 30 insightful - 1 fun30 insightful - 0 fun31 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, quite frankly, this has been a huge problem going on for years. I know of a lesbian festival that ended up in a huge legal mess years ago because a bisexual woman who called herself a lesbian wanted to take her male partner (transwoman), and the organisers said no, and then said man sued the festival for discrimination (and lost, but only on a technicality. Court actually agreed he'd been unfairly discriminated against by lesbians).

I do think though that as unfair as it is, the onus is on lesbians to stand our ground and call this stuff out. Things have gotten so bad because of years of lesbians being kind and nice and not drawing a hard line around lesbian-only spaces and telling everyone else to get out (the bisexuals, the celibate straight women etc.)

Obviously in LGB spaces or spaces that are for lesbians and bi women, then that's completely different, no issues with bisexual women in those spaces. But I think lesbians really have to bite the bullet and learn to be 'meeeean' about having hard boundaries around lesbian-only spaces.

Rant about fertility clinics by Fleursdumal in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Increasingly, though, it's the 'inclusive' places that are the most homophobic. These days, I'd often rather take my chances with the general rabble.

Any interesting adventures since the pandemic hit? by IamWomanHearMeRoar in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm sorry things have been tough for you :(

Maybe not the best wording on the OPs part.

The "Sexual Spectrum": Why I Think It's Bunk by writerlylesbian in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well yeah...1948 and 1953. That's a large part of the problem. This was a time when nearly everyone was assumed to be exclusively heterosexual, with a few who were deemed to be perverts and weirdos on the edges, which included homosexuals amongst others. So I'm sure that finding there were a lot more homosexuals and bisexuals than supposed was revolutionary for the time. But these results have to be taken in the context of being well before the gay rights movement, when a lot of homosexuals were probably in hetero marriages, when a lot of homosexuals didn't necessarily want to think of themselves that way because of negative social stigma etc.

The fact that the studies were historically significant and provided a lot of data at the time that was new and challenging doesn't mean the concept is as useful in 2020. It has many limitations, some of which I pointed out in my original post. It's bizarrely simplistic to attempt to simply slot people in along a spectrum.

And the issue is, even if you have these 'poles' that are meant to be fixed at either end, just the fact that Kinsey conceived of sexuality as a spectrum opens it up to the idea that people can move along the spectrum (and isn't that one of the things that his research found?) So if some people can move, why can't everyone move? Using the framework of a spectrum basically invites that question, whether intentionally or not.

Rant about fertility clinics by Fleursdumal in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 20 insightful - 4 fun20 insightful - 3 fun21 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

I don't understand. Haven't they ever had to adapt the system for lesbian couples before? Or even single women?? I'd probably take in a basic biology book and be like, yeah, so I've noticed that despite being a fertility clinic, you seem to have problems understanding how human reproduction works...

Netflix's Sabrina and homophobia by 8bitgay in LGBDropTheT

[–]writerlylesbian 42 insightful - 2 fun42 insightful - 1 fun43 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'd heard about the Theo character, but hadn't heard anyone talk about the rest of it. Sounds like there's a lot of homophobia swirling around.

I'm lost by badatnicknames in LGBDropTheT

[–]writerlylesbian 12 insightful - 8 fun12 insightful - 7 fun13 insightful - 8 fun -  (0 children)

There are no lesbians where he's going tho...

The "Sexual Spectrum": Why I Think It's Bunk by writerlylesbian in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, this seems to be the crux that so many of these researchers and supporters of the 'spectrum' simply can't wrap their heads around. I think a lot of it is to do with not respecting or recognising female sexuality at all in the first place. Men basically seem to think we just exist to be used as their masturbation toys/porn props.

The "Sexual Spectrum": Why I Think It's Bunk by writerlylesbian in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Aw, thanks :)

The "Sexual Spectrum": Why I Think It's Bunk by writerlylesbian in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, isn't it interesting how this tool that is supposedly about helping people to accept themselves is actually detrimental to so many lesbians.

The "Sexual Spectrum": Why I Think It's Bunk by writerlylesbian in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep.

The "Sexual Spectrum": Why I Think It's Bunk by writerlylesbian in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And queer theory has been around for 30 years at this point. Imagine what could have been accomplished!

Lesbian Couple Attacked by Group of Male Passengers on London Bus by fijupanda in LGBDropTheT

[–]writerlylesbian 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's incredibly frustrating and sad. Male privilege is always the one privilege no one is allowed to talk about.

The "Sexual Spectrum": Why I Think It's Bunk by writerlylesbian in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian[S] 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

One of the things that I am personally very annoyed about is that there is this astronomical amount of 'queer research' out there, and yet there is so little useful research that is actually carried out in/on LGB populations. So many words, so much useless data.

And yes, not accounting for your own biases or understanding the population you're researching. I remember talking to this woman once who was angry because she was interviewing older lesbians in rural areas who, as she discovered, did not like modern queer/LGBT/gender politics. What a shocker! Her conclusion: they were obviously backward bigots who hadn't evolved. Or like those researchers who found that lesbians would date transmen but not transwomen and concluded the lesbians were hypocritical bigots because they would date 'men.' LOLOL

The "Sexual Spectrum": Why I Think It's Bunk by writerlylesbian in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, all the data can be used for is to capture sexual behaviour at the point the data was taken. Especially if it's just a one-off, with no follow up over several years, it tells you absolutely nothing. You simply cannot draw any meaningful conclusions. And if it's not taking into account all the complex social and political factors, it becomes even more useless.

The "Sexual Spectrum": Why I Think It's Bunk by writerlylesbian in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh yes, I completely agree about autism. It is in no way a simple and straightforward diagnosis where an individual can be easily slotted in along a line like looking at a ph soil test result. I think the point my friend was trying to make (badly) was that autism wasn't thought of as only being the very extreme/non-verbal condition it was 20/30 years ago. But there are a whole lot of other factors that have gone into that change in thinking, not just, all the doctors woke up one day and realised it was a spectrum all along!!

The "Sexual Spectrum": Why I Think It's Bunk by writerlylesbian in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

haha, yeah, I totally understand losing your patience. Being polite and logical with the ones who feel entitled to lesbian sexuality gets us nowhere.

Lesbian Couple Attacked by Group of Male Passengers on London Bus by fijupanda in LGBDropTheT

[–]writerlylesbian 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed on the British police. Though I am only half British, and only lived over there for a few years as an adult to see what it was like.

Also agreed on intersectionality being toxic. It's atrocious for a victim to apologise for having too much privilege because she's not an even WORSE victim who is also poor/Black/trans or whatever.

The "Sexual Spectrum": Why I Think It's Bunk by writerlylesbian in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian[S] 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, the coercive element is absolutely another reason to retire the whole thing.

Lesbian Couple Attacked by Group of Male Passengers on London Bus by fijupanda in LGBDropTheT

[–]writerlylesbian 20 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Police in England have massive funding issues. In many areas, they will not investigate crimes like burglaries, car theft, physical assault etc. But they will always find the time to pursue people for 'hate crimes' on twitter, of course (which means making a comment not in line with trans orthodoxy).

I think initially police dismissed this case, but then had to pay attention to it once it blew up into a huge deal in the media. Who knows if that led to arrest, charges etc. in the long term. Also, after it became a big media deal, one half of this couple wrote some dreadful media piece where she spent the whole time hand-ringing over being too 'privileged' because she was white. After experiencing a homophobic attack. God, it was such a wasted opportunity. Like, she could have spent the article drawing attention to all the difficulties and dangers LGB people still face, and say that disproportionately those issues will also be experienced by those who are less well off/ethnic minorities, and tell people what they could do to help (charity donations or whatever). Instead she just talked about how she was a bad person because she was a white woman who experienced a hate crime and eventually got people to give a shit.

Aggravated by the statement “everyone is a little queer” by [deleted] in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

lol, must be one of those days. I just made a post complaining about this same thing! The 'Sexual Spectrum' in that case, but it's pretty much the same idea. Everyone is a little bit fluid!! Um, no.

Women in Technology & Science Ireland says the book ‚ "Invisible Women" is deeply problematic because it doesn't include transwomen and non-binary by turtleduck23 in LGBDropTheT

[–]writerlylesbian 21 insightful - 7 fun21 insightful - 6 fun22 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, it's "I want to be invisible as a woman, but how dare you exclude me from Invisible Women!"

Women in Technology & Science Ireland says the book ‚ "Invisible Women" is deeply problematic because it doesn't include transwomen and non-binary by turtleduck23 in LGBDropTheT

[–]writerlylesbian 36 insightful - 2 fun36 insightful - 1 fun37 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This really annoys me about the non-binary crowd. They want to be 'excluded' when it's convenient - eg sexist expectations, but then 'included' when its to their advantage. It's so self-serving and a big fuck you to the rest of us.

What was your worst date experience? by fieryoyster in Lesbians

[–]writerlylesbian 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lol, yeah, I think we all feel that way sometimes, it's hard.