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[–]fred_red_beans 23 insightful - 4 fun23 insightful - 3 fun24 insightful - 4 fun -  (20 children)

I think the majority of users here agree we don't want hitler memes spread across the front page every day.

With the site as it is, it is being dealt with by removal of the user and their content.

Someone spams porn or whatever, we don't want to leave it up to make sure it was justified. I understand your idea for making it a NSFW type thing, but I don't think that works when you're dealing with actions that are intended to undermine the site.

The way I see it is that Saidit is like a house that magnora and d3rr built. We here that use the site are their guests. It has been them that have taken responsibility for the site and it's maintenance including making the site resistant to technological attacks and the removal of crap content and users. Without the creation and maintenance of this site, this community would not exist.

I keep coming back here because it's not a clusterfuck like big social media sites and there are people here (including yourself), that have open minds and post content that I find intriguing and might not see somewhere else.

I don't agree with every decision magnora has made over the last few years, but I believe it was his decision to make. I think this site has not devolved into a reddit or a voat thanks to his efforts. I have stated some of my reservations to him, and I think you've made yours. Ultimately, just because you feel passionate about an issue, doesn't make it right or wrong, nor does it mean magnora has to take action on it.

I agree with Node that maybe taking a step back would be a good thing for you both.

:)

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Agreedl. It's also very easy to say "You're doing it wrong" from the back seat.

I don't necessarily agree with everything M7 does or his methods, but I trust he honestly believes he is doing things the best possible way for a site he has built. Only the admins have the information that they have, so in the end, only they can know what is the best way to do things.

What if "THE VERY BEST" method of doing things requires that M7 work on the site 27 hours a day, every single day? I can imagine scenarios where the need for shortcuts is very real and in the end, we should all acknowledge that what we DO NOT KNOW about the intricacies of running this site and that makes us imperfect judges of the performance of the admins.

[–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Only the admins have the information that they have, so in the end, only they can know what is the best way to do things.

M7s choice of admins has been sketchy as hell. tam and frb both slipped into power tripping really fast

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree. I thought maybe he knew them beforehand. If not, then... WHOA.

[–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

I think the majority of users here agree we don't want hitler memes spread across the front page every day.

If that's what the legit users of the site want, then Who cares. You let leftist shit fill up the front page without issues.

remove actual spam. remove porn, remove bots, but policing site content outside of established rules? we left reddit for a reason.

and there are people here (including yourself), that have open minds and post content that I find intriguing and might not see somewhere else.

as long as it isn't hitler memes, amirite?

[–]fred_red_beans 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (15 children)

Are you just trying to stir up drama?

You let leftist shit fill up the front page without issues

The removal of spam and bots doesn't fit you political agenda? Gimme a break.

Didn't you come in with IP2 where all they did was call each other nigger like a bunch of 13 year olds?

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Didn't you come in with IP2 where all they did was call each other nigger like a bunch of 13 year olds?

Bruh lmao, I did. And no we did not, we stayed in our lane on our Sub that was banned from /s/all (which we agreed to right away as we were appreciative of m7 hosting us here, as well as upheld all of SaidIt’s rules when outside of our island sub. Our sub wasn’t asked to be removed from /s/all due to saying “nigger” or acting like edgy children, it was because all of our posts were over taking the front page due to our userbase size and the amount of upvotes), we even donated a good amount of money to this site unlike its regular users and in our large sub, would sticky posts called “money drives” to raise money for SaidIt. Servers have been upgraded because of our help. We also brought in a nice portion of traffic and new users; we just watched and laughed at stupid streamers, similar to lolcow or kiwifarms.

I’m one of the last IP2 members left here, you want good/old users to really leave SaidIt don’t you, cuz I’m ready 2? You should think really carefully about your words before you insult others and comment on things you aren’t fully aware of/were not apart of, being an Admin, especially when you intend to use them as insults. There’s a reason m7 let us stay, and we left peacefully and understood m7’s reasons. I stayed for SaidIt, but boi is it going to shite.

I’m glad you said that cuz now I agree with Bobby (and I hardly ever agree with him). You’re another immature admin who goes tit for tat, power trips, and doesn’t know how to “stay above regular users” and ignore bullshit.

Are you just trying to stir up drama?

If people start fights with you, you’re gonna respond with hostility to each one? Youre gonna start drama? You’re gonna sink to irrelevant attacks? You’re just as bad.

Edit: & idgaf who if anyone replies 2 this, I ain’t replying, not about the drama like 75% of you, just tired of this shit. I miss SaidIt from 6 months ago.

The admins who go tit for tat tho? The admins who insult other users to fend off other users? That’s a problem.

There’s already a list bringing SaidIt down. Now we can add this to it too.

[–]fred_red_beans 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Yea, it would have been better if I hadn't said that.

In my opinion IP2 was useless crap content.

But I've seen interesting posts from you. I think we've also had a friendly chat on IRC a time or two.

I wish you well.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

In my opinion IP2 was useless crap content.

I wish you well

no more tit-for-tat, you’re above regular users now and have more responsibility. You gotta act the part and be professional, you’re representing SaidIt. You can’t take things personally. It only creates and makes the drama worse.

You don’t have to listen to me of course, but I truly hope you grow into your position and help steer SaidIt in the right direction. I hope you fall into your spot as an Admin with grace and humility, and I honestly sincerely & genuinely mean that!

I hope the front page gets better, I hope to see less of the bullshit and for us to go back to the conversations and fun we were having 6+ months ago. And I really hope I don't see Admins lowering themselves to the same level (or lower) as the users attacking them. Really, when an Admin starts flexing that sucks just as much as the spam.

Good luck!

[–]fred_red_beans 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

LoL

Valid points, thanks!

[–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

The removal of spam and bots doesn't fit you political agenda? Gimme a break.

don't misrepresent me. I love that spam and bot content is removed. I offered to help do it.

Didn't you come in with IP2 where all they did was call each other nigger like a bunch of 13 year olds?

no, i didn't. I was here long before them. But keep up with your dehumanising and attempts to label me so that you can then justify your bad behaviours.

spam and bot content should be removed. But when you start removing straightforward, pyramid compliant discussions because you don't like the people posting them, then you have gone too far and become yet another power tripping admin. So cliche

[–]fred_red_beans 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (9 children)

I not going to justify shit to you. Nor do I care what you have to say.

There's something wrong with you.

Looks like your just trying to stir up drama.

Why don't you go complain to someone else?

[–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

says the man who just tried to smear me. cool moves, bro.

[–]fred_red_beans 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

I don't care.

[–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

no, because integrity isn't your thing.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Tried to smear you, ended up smearing me lol

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

/u/d3rr, imho you’re the most rational and the last member of the team I find approachable on SaidIt staff. Can you please speak to the rest of the team about them being above and acting more mature than regular users, having more responsibility, not inciting more drama by attempting to insult one and insulting another or more, and lastly, going tit for tat with other users?

I just got hit in cross-fire because an admin was trying to insult someone else (and tbh, I don’t agree with Bobby very often.. but I feel this comment thread is a perfect example of the tit for tat attitude admins here have that need to disappear).

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Thanks for the vote of confidence man but I quit admining a while back. Admins should be held to a higher standard, and the tit for tat stuff is toxic. Policy and code is too much for me, so I wash my hands of all policy shit.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I remember that, but you’re still a respected part of the team, m7 would lend you his earn concerning this wouldn’t he? And asking your admins to act professional, not go tit for tat/bite bait/sink down to a user’s level and actually try to insult them, isn’t that much of an ask and would go a long way.

I understand if you feel it’s not your problem anymore though. Thanks for even responding lol. I hope you’re doing well!

[–]Node 21 insightful - 6 fun21 insightful - 5 fun22 insightful - 6 fun -  (7 children)

Should I shut the fuck up?

I would phrase it more as relaxing a bit, and accepting that this site belongs to magnora7. The spam and trolling bullshit he's choosing to deal with to keep saidit relatively tolerable is to our benefit, even if he's not dealing with it in the exact way any of us might. (I would make new accounts powerless noobs that have to earn rights)

Secondly, I don't want you to be so rigid on this that he gets frustrated enough to ban you. I mean, you're kind of adding to the pressures he's already having with the ongoing spam and trolling.

Do you want me to ban you as well for breaking the rules like I do them? Because I'm actually being extremely lenient and you're abusing that again and again.

He really doesn't want you gone, or it would have happened weeks ago. I would suggest that instead of continuing to focus on the banning of Dio and other errors you believe M7 has made, compare the job he's doing on saidit with other site owners.

https://poal.co/s/RealWhatever/331524/b4b8e725-45ca-42ac-b332-340146a62ee3#cmnts

The two site owners completely misunderstand what this guy said, then libel and ban him.

https://poal.co/s/Shitpostsub/331878

This guy is one of many who call out their banning a total innocent, so they ban him too. Others are banned over their admin stupidity, and many have their accounts nuked back to zero for the slightest disagreement.

What I'm saying is that M7 might make mistakes sometimes, but he appears to me to be doing fairly well in comparison to other sites. reddit, ruqqus, hexbear, and poal have terrible admins. Imo, the warts here are not a deal breaker.

Could I have de-escalated things better?

Magnora7 is a lying drama queen riding my ass with his tiny pricks and jabs to avoid the real issues.

Maybe a bit... Anyway, hope this helps. 👍

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

You’re a good d00d.

[–]Node 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks, there are some times when I manage to not be an ass.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

this site belongs to magnora7.

I have never said otherwise. The site is M7's but the community is OURS.

The spam and trolling bullshit he's choosing to deal with to keep saidit relatively tolerable is to our benefit, even if he's not dealing with it in the exact way any of us might.

Agreed. I can commend him on many things. I can also criticize him for choosing to take on all the burdens himself thus not developing socially management systems, delegating responsibilities, lightening his load, better maintaining control, and being a better leader.

(I would make new accounts powerless noobs that have to earn rights)

Yes, that is along the lines of what I'd proposed.

Secondly, I don't want you to be so rigid on this that he gets frustrated enough to ban you. I mean, you're kind of adding to the pressures he's already having with the ongoing spam and trolling.

I agree. Yet he keeps at me while avoiding the issues that need real solutions. If the foot is gangrene then much of the leg must go as well in order to save the patient. Among other things we have rotten trolls at foot. I am trying to persuade amputation at the knee - an unpleasant taxing process, in order to save SaidIt. I would consider stepping back and letting someone else with a better nature that's still in his favours take over - but M7 is so stubborn I think he'd rather let SaidIt die than relinquish half a leg.

He really doesn't want you gone, or it would have happened weeks ago. I would suggest that instead of continuing to focus on the banning of Dio and other errors you believe M7 has made, compare the job he's doing on saidit with other site owners.

He knows he's full of shit. He refuses to address the issues and every time diverts to both of his bullshit arbitrary rules directly aimed at me. I intentionally temporarily broke them technically, one new rule recently and the other last year. Neither are critical in the slightest. But that's all he has to threaten me with.

Thanks for the links. I'll check them out tomorrow. It's almost midnight and I expect I'll either be banned in the morning or have a lot of responses to this to go through.

There are merits to being aware of oneself, or in this case of our site. But comparing yourself to billionaires or the homeless won't be realistic nor productive. I'm focused on SaidIt, my home of sorts, and improving it. From what I hear it's the best place around. That's why I'm still here. I also know we've got intelligent folks who see beyond much of the bullshit of the world. That doesn't mean we shouldn't keep improving. Critically, tyranny has grasped the world and is squeezing. We don't need an admin like that. We need to prepare for the future and brace against the technocracy. We can't even fucking handle trolls or ban properly. Yet.

This guy is one of many who call out their banning a total innocent, so they ban him too. Others are banned over their admin stupidity, and many have their accounts nuked back to zero for the slightest disagreement.

That is exactly the same shit I'm fighting here, only less intense, obviously. I've presented ideas to remove it completely, yet M7 is adamant not to even discuss alternatives to his dictatorship and occasional sketchy judgement. If he can't even discuss things with me rationally why would I want him to judge me? And why should I respect him?

What I'm saying is that M7 might make mistakes sometimes, but he appears to me to be doing fairly well in comparison to other sites. reddit, ruqqus, hexbear, and poal have terrible admins. Imo, the warts here are not a deal breaker.

I haven't left yet, by myself or by force.

Maybe a bit... Anyway, hope this helps. 👍

It does. I respect your insights.

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

other people are worse, so don't dare mention what could be improved here.

Its like we are in a car, that is going to crash into a mountain, but the driver is insisting that we don't criticize the steering.

[–]Node 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Sure there could be improvements. Is M7 looking for suggestions on how to run his site? I've offered a few, but there wasn't much interest.

We have the option to exit the vehicle before (or even after) it crashes, but the steering is out of our hands. So I'm just enjoying the ride for what it actually is. We're using a commenting site that works pretty well, arguably better than some of the other sites I'm using. And, there's a decent bunch along for the ride with me. :)

I've been through site crashes and fails before, and you're almost always able pick up and move on.

[–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Suspicious Behavior -107 Total score

Ha, my account on poal has just been nuked by the pedo admins. Unless M7 tries to crash saidit too, I'm going to continue thinking this is the superior site.

[–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Same

[–]FediNetizen 18 insightful - 4 fun18 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

Yet again, I'm being the bigger person and stepping away from the futile nonsense

Nah, you're just narc raging because someone is telling you your behavior isn't acceptable, and you don't want to hear it. There are a ton of parallels here between you and that guy that ran the nazi subreddit who kept making new accounts to try to "appeal" the decision.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I can see how you might think that. But I DO want to hear it though. That's why I'm asking. I don't want to hear it from him, a proven liar, mediocre leader, and inadequate manager who's not the boss of me but desperately tries to be - even inventing new rules for me while ignoring other more important issues.

If everyone agrees with you, whether independent thinkers or authoritarian loving boot-lickers, then I'll have to face facts, swallow my pride, apologize, and "behave". I can almost guarantee you he will never do that.

If I was raging I'd be angry. I'm not angry. Also, I could have brought all this shit up before last time, the time before that, and the many many many times before that. He has been riding my ass for years, but I'm not letting him slide as much now so it's more frequent.

[–]Node 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

then I'll have to face facts, swallow my pride, apologize, and "behave".

I'm pretty irritated over that bullshit I linked in my other comment, so I maybe have a sense of how you feel. it might help to remember this is just a commenting site on the internet, and it can be easy to put too much focus on it if you're not careful.

If you both stopped poking at each other for a bit, and let the tensions cool off, the issues might not seem so critical later? You don't necessarily have to swallow your pride and all that.

[–]Chipit 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (25 children)

Maybe take a step back from the site for a while. Taking it way too seriously. Just post links and write comments. Or maybe take up posting on another site?

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 7 insightful - 7 fun7 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 7 fun -  (24 children)

You know that I don't respect your opinion shill, so fuck off.

[–]magnora7 13 insightful - 6 fun13 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 6 fun -  (15 children)

I'm giving you a 7-day suspension from saidit because you need to calm down. You're constantly attacking other users on a daily basis now, attacking this site on a daily basis for weeks, and attacking me endlessly for almost a month now. I don't want to ban you from the site but you're repeatedly dragging the quality of discussion down the pyramid of debate, as you've done again here in this comment.

Because of your repeated dragging of the quality of saidit in a downward direction, I'm giving you a 7-day suspension. After 7 days I will un-suspend you.

I am giving you this temporary ban as an extra leniency instead of a full ban because of the fact you've contributed to saidit in the past and have been a long time member, and I do appreciate and recognize this. But I'm not going to stand idly by while you break the rules again and again, and then act like I'm the bad guy. And then also act like a jerk to so many of saidit's users on such a regular basis, repeatedly calling people names and dragging down the quality of discussion as per the pyramid of debate in such a large fraction of your comments as you have done again here. Furthermore, many of your posts appear to be astroturfed to the front page with fake votes which is also against site rules.

After 7 days your suspension will be lifted, and hopefully you will cool down. Thank you.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

I'd like to appeal for leniency to commute his sentence to a 2 day ban, he is a solid contributor and then you have something for his next temp ban.

[–]magnora7 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

He's already getting leniency by getting a temp ban instead of a full ban because he has been a contributor, and I said that. It's still going to be 7 days.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

I understand where you're coming from. It's just lonely when you can't be on your favorite forum and talk to your forum friends. Two days seems pretty bad to me.

[–]magnora7 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

I understand, and I'm sorry it has to be like this. There is no ideal solution, I wish he hadn't been breaking rules so regularly and openly and without apology because he has been here a while and it's sad to see him act like that over and over toward a community he supposedly respects. I've given him more warnings than I can remember. It's frustrating to see this project I've worked on for free for 3 years undermined repeatedly by someone who is constantly breaking rules and then demanding special exemptions, and then attacking users regularly in a way that definitely does not respect the pyramid of debate.

It's just 7 days to let him cool off.

[–]Node 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

His father just passed like a week and a half ago dude.. Not in the best way either.. it was on the front page. He said he wasn’t on good terms with his father, but still, you know that stings and leaves a lot of “what if’s” or “could have beens”

Thanks for not banning him entirely. I somehow missed that his father has died recently. That has got to be rough. And yes, he's been obsessing on you and your 'authority' over him a bit too much lately, maybe because of his loss.

Your frustration with his behavior is understandable, and hopefully the timeout will let him reassess his priorities. I ask that you not hold those troll upvotes against him, as they're just hijacking him to cause problems. And while the mental health issues Jason has mentioned shouldn't be a free pass to keep breaking the rules, it would suck if he had to be 'amputated in order to save saidit'. Do you think you could send him a sort of 'message of peace and appreciation' in 7 days to help him refocus on the positives of saidit?

Just a request, and obviously do what you think you need to do. I guess I just sympathise with the guy and hope he can make peace with you.

Okay, now I'm going to go off and be gruff and stuff.

[–]bobbobbybob 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It's frustrating to see this project I've worked on for free for 3 years undermined repeatedly by someone who is constantly breaking rules

we've all worked on this project. We've all been building it. Recently it took a very dark turn towards content censorship and aggressive administration. JC is a dick, and pushes way too hard for me to unblock him for more than a day at a time, but you might need to take a breath and listen to what he is saying.

what kind of site do you want? because at the moment you are heading straight towards reddit, full sail.

[–]AnarchySpeach 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You know that I don't respect your opinion shill, so fuck off.

The pyramid of debate still means something to the site. Simply attacking people like this doesn't do anything for discussions. I'm surprised this hasn't happened sooner.

[–]Chipit 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It's just a website. If you want friends go start a chat server and add all of them to it. All the man does is spew anger, day after day. I've been called names so many times despite it being an explicit violation of the Pyramid of Debate. I report his comments but nothing ever happens.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

go start a chat server and add all of them to it.

I think all of his friends are here though. He just needs to chill the fuck out.

I've been called names

He's done that to me too and I'd call him a friend. I figured he was drinking and pissy, it happens.

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[–]Chipit 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I was just about to note that every time I ever see one of his posts, he's seething with anger at someone. Everyone who opposes him is a confirmed shill, a confirmed liar, etc.

He is way, way, way too into this site. My theory is that this is some kind of self-therapy where he takes out all his aggressions from his real life and pours them out onto everyone else. It drives away new users and new users are what Saidit needs most of all if it is to become a real reddit replacement.

[–]Chipit 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

It's just not right for people to get this upset over some website on the internet. You're putting way way too much effort into this. Maybe take a break from posting for a while and see how it works.

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

says the man who enjoys feeding the admin paranoia about how powerful government agencies are actively seeking to derail his site.

[–]Chipit 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

I didn't say that. Liar. I said social media influencer operations are targeting this site, which they are.

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

bollocks. Was it israel i worked for? will have to check your history

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You're a 50yr old man writing this, it's a little weird. Is this your legacy, complaining about M7's forum.

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I wonder why Jason is much more triggered in recent weeks. This seems to be much more personal and serious than merely arguing on a forum.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

You know that I don't respect your opinion shill, so fuck off.

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      [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

      You say that cause you're a young whipper snapper.

      u/Magnora7 maybe you should ban u/Jasoncarswell until he writes his book, for his own goddamned good. Cause I think all his bellyaching might be procrastinating.

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      Cheers - sorry I deleted my post. I hadn't known you had replied. I left out words and letters in the post by mistake. Good suggestion, BTW. Seems M7 has agreed with you (per his comment in this thread; yikes - he's up early)

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      Seems M7 has agreed with you (per his comment in this thread; yikes - he's up early)

      Uh oh, I was just joking.

      [–]LarrySwinger2 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Be careful what you wish for...

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      I see. Problem is: he's not that old, and he could do much more than waste time on Saidit.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

      Deja vu. Socks bot is broken.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      Yep - bot can't type properly.

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      His father just passed like a week and a half ago dude.. Not in the best way either.. it was on the front page. He said he wasn’t on good terms with his father, but still, you know that stings and leaves a lot of “what if’s” or “could have beens”

      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      Wtf why did they delete/censor the comment about Jason’s father passing?

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Are you referring to my comment? I deleted it. I probably should not share personal information. It happened at the start of February, and I discussed it briefly with Jason at the time.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Nah, mine. And I’m friendly with Jason, we’ve spoke for over a year now in public and private messages (of course this is no excuse for me to air out his private business). However he made that thread announcing his fathers passing along with their relationship in detail, and it was near if not the top of the front page of SaidIt (someone could still find it if they wanted to); he made it public himself so I’m not afraid of overstepping when I say that event could explain his recent behavior. I know it’d put me in a bad place.

      I would be emotional too if I were in his position. I wouldn’t have brought it up if you didn’t ask, but since you did, it does make sense when you think about it. Even if it was six months ago (which it wasn't for those reading who missed the post), you know it hurts and even if I don’t agree with what Jason may have done by posting this thread, I can understand why and how pain could be clouding his judgement and making him emotional.

      Edit: meant 2 update this yesterday but somehow forgot. the comments are both now back and right above these comments, somehow. Maybe it was a bug since threads are getting long in here, or maybe an admin legitimately accidentally removed them which is honestly easy to do.

      Both my comment and another users were gone for over an hour, and I ctrl + f’d and triple checked. They came back last night tho.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Oh yes - don't get me wrong. I complete agree with everything you've posted in this thread. Jason and I've discussed various issues almost daily for months, and though he very much disagrees with me on many things, and can be quite annoyed with me, I (and perhaps others) also try to appreciate that he's probably been dealing with very difficult issues this past 2 - 3 months, if not longer. Whereas he's made this public, I will sometimes delete my posts, as I am sometimes not sure what I should say in this forum. I noted in one of my other posts that I had seen a pattern that got progressively worse in the past 2 or 3 weeks. But this is none of my business. I think many of us wish him well, and I hope he appreciates this (as I suspect he's not happy about the suspension).

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      This is M7's site. He did NOT build it alone. It's OUR forum.

      It's a little weird that so many bow down to his "authority" because he owns the domain, regardless of his leadership's pros and cons.

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      No he didn't build it alone. And he doesn't create the content people come here to see. But he does own the fucking site. And honesty, he puts up with a lot more dissent than you're going to find anywhere else.

      [–]bobbobbybob 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      its been [removed]. what did he even say?

      [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Same shit he always writes: "Magnora7 is picking on me, he doesn't listen my reforms, he singles me out for punishment, things aren't transparent." Paraphrased and perhaps not totally accurate but that's the gist I got.

      He was a little ruder this time than usual. It turned a number of people, including myself, away from being sympathetic to his arguments.

      I get kinda assholeish when I drink too sometimes.

      [–]Vulptex 9 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 6 fun -  (7 children)

      While I do agree that the admins are getting into really dangerous territory with such a subjective rule, I also think it's hypocritical to demand that other users be banned for breaking the same rules that you don't follow yourself.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

      Which rule is that?

      [–]Vulptex 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

      You first link to M7 saying:

      Okay so I should ban you too for breaking the rules, right? Just like I do with everyone else. Why shouldn't I? Why do you think you are special and the rules don't apply to you?

      I responded:

      Stop being childish. We've already been over this. Ban me for 2 rules that you made specifically against me, that I temporarily broke - or talk about the issues. Your choice. Virtual violence or civil discussion. It should be obvious.

      One rule broken was yesterday, temporarily. The other a year ago, temporarily. BOTH were bullshit arbitrary rules that he made specifically to target ME. If he were a legit leader he'd consult the people to see what they think about things before he pulls this shit out of his ass. Meanwhile there are real problems that can be solved with actual rules that exist or could be implemented.

      M7 is on a witch hunt.

      Your second link:

      Oh you mean the same thing you've been doing to me, and to saidit, for months now? You dish it out, but can't take your own medicine? You want free speech but then when you get it in ways you don't like, you cannot handle it and have another one of your meltdowns?

      The huge irony here is that M7 is confessing through projection again as he's the one who has the meltdowns (ie: the one and only post in /s/HolocaustSkepticism) and keeps squabbling like a child in order to deflect from the real issues. I didn't respond because I have to be the adult to walk away from the retard.

      Here's the last time I just left his hyperbolic immature spin and lies:

      [–]Vulptex 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

      You're both doing the same thing in that thread.

      I think a valid solution would be adding more admins of parties than the current one. The issue here is that M7 feels his childish arguing is uniquely justified because it's his own. So do you, but you're not an admin so that's irrelevant. This is natural in humans as it's nearly impossible to see the bad in yourself. If there were more than one team and divisions of powers to keep a watch on these issues I think it would become more fair.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

      I can certainly admit that looking back over those threads that I really should have walked away from arguing with the brick wall sooner as much of our bickering was tedious. I should know by now that his secrecy, need to not delegate, apparent power lust, and likely his ego are shit at having critical thoughts and discussions that matter regarding the future of SaidIt. Ironic.

      Are you suggesting a just and fair social management system for SaidIt? M7 will never go for that.

      [–]Vulptex 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Not just M7, but nearly 100% of human beings. There is a primal desire to appeal to authority and/or want to have as much authority as possible for yourself. You are no different, and I bet I'm worse than I realize too. That's why there needs to be divisions of power from the beginning. Unfortunately you have to be pretty redpilled and see a lot in life to understand that, and most people don't and assume they're always right. And of the few who do, almost everyone else won't take them seriously and regularly goes as far as calling them things like "schizo". notabug.io is the only site so far that has implemented a truly fair system, and for this reason hardly anyone uses it. Most people need leaders to idolize and a power structure that gives it an identity, otherwise they'll think it's stupid. Even those who deny this, often still seek it, just in the form of popularity instead of forceful power. This is why we also copy celebrities and people who become popular in a group for no real reason.

      [–]bobbobbybob 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Not just M7, but nearly 100% of human beings. There is a primal desire to appeal to authority and/or want to have as much authority as possible for yourself. You are no different, and I bet I'm worse than I realize too.

      I had admin power on a forum once. I fucked up. At the time, thought I was doing totally the right thing, but in reality I was a domineering control freak. I see it now in admins everywhere. One reason why I think admin accounts need to be anonymous, so there is no ego / personality / presentation to get rolled into the mix. Just a lit of rules. no debate, no arguments. try to stay as neutral as possible, and retreat to admin groups to discuss issues raised, but always from the position of "i'm probably wrong"

      [–]sproketboy 7 insightful - 7 fun7 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 7 fun -  (2 children)

      So go to ruqqus or north korea. Whatever you prefer.

      [–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      North Korea

      [–]sproketboy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Enjoy yourself.

      [–]Tom_Bombadil 6 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 6 fun -  (2 children)

      Magnora7 is a lying drama queen

      How many posts has M7 posted that are similar to this one?

      How many of these have you posted?

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      Better question:
      How many comments has M7 made that are similar to this one? Too many to count.

      Sneaky little side comments that many overlook persistently jabbing, adding up to a selective campaign against me for years because I am the only one to call him out on his manipulative deceptive shit, lack of leadership, and resistance to being fair, open, accountable, and consistent.

      [–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      like his comment on one of my posts about the admin abuses "remember folks, you can block users!"

      [–]SubliminalCriminal 3 insightful - 9 fun3 insightful - 8 fun4 insightful - 9 fun -  (4 children)

      Magnora7 is a lying drama queen riding my ass with his tiny pricks and jabs to avoid the real issues.

      dude, seriously, i tried to warn you.

      m7 is an alien from the fourth sector, he will boil you and eat you.

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      [–]SubliminalCriminal 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

      i was just making that shit up, i dont really know much about m7 or the other santa looking dude.

      lol..

      btw, would you mind coming over late at night, wearing a nightie, and read that fourth sector stuff to me by candlelight?

      better idea yet, have your little sister come over for me..

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      [–]Optimus85 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      I dunno. He seems irked by your suggestions but I disagree with the accusations he's levelled against you. I don't understand his reluctance and lack of receptivity to your ideas/feedback while he'd rather defame you on this forum with frivolous claims or minor violations(It's somewhat petty). I guess he's annoyed with the triple(quadruple?) postings. But saying you're encouraging trolls and shills by taking a non-censorship approach to comments posted is a bit of a stretch.

      It is a double-edged sword; it's not free speech when comments get deleted but paradoxically some "speech" could bring unwanted attention which I assume M7 has concerns about. I'd say let sleeping dogs lie. There aren't many alternatives right now and starting your own platform would be a bit of an undertaking. Not impossible though but you'd need coders, a "neutral" web host and some money.

      Anyway, that's my two cents. Feel free to pick it up and flick it on my forehead.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      I don't understand his reluctance either.

      I agree the cross-posting are annoying, but here is why I've done it, and I've significantly decreased them, but the LXXX/MoronLeft have exacerbated the issue with their artificial troll voting, as we all know.

      It's not just a stretch - M7 is outright lying.

      I'd say let sleeping dogs lie.

      Sage advice, I was thinking the same thing. Maybe he can quit stalking me too. I have one more final meme and several other long posts with ideas and projects, but maybe those idea posts can come after my personal open paradigm shift.

      There aren't many alternatives right now and starting your own platform would be a bit of an undertaking. Not impossible though but you'd need coders, a "neutral" web host and some money.

      Maybe.

      Or it may be time to start /s/DecentralizingForDumm or /s/Decentralizin4Dummies to openly document my own process of making home indie-server(s) with Lemmy, PeerTube, IPFS, MediaWiki, and web store instances and encourage everyone else to participate similarly. My Lemmy forum and SaidIt's API could mirror/sync/backup/whatever you call it. Decentralizing is the future resistances against tyranny.

      I have other projects in mind too. Because I can't do it all, I'll present all of them, and the people can help decide my destiny for a while.

      Thanks for the feedback.

      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I think many on Saidit appreciate your contributions and approaches.

      You seem to be very upset. You and your health are far more important than anything on this website.

      As I think back a bit, I appreciate that these past couple months have probably been rather difficult, and my disagreements with you have not helped. In my view, it's healthy to argue, and I think you and some others on Saidit think this (lots of contrarians here).

      Regarding M7, all of his responses indicate that he's certainly not planning to ban you.

      Regarding your 11 questions: no.

      Regarding solutions:

      1) Stop calling me and others names

      2) Continue being yourself and posting whatever you want

      3) Take some time to reflect; take time away from Saidit for most of the day, or much of the week or whatever. We at the site are obviously upsetting you. Disconnect from us for a bit and perhaps from online nonsense, and enjoy LIFE a bit more.

      4) I think other comments in this thread are helpful

      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

      Jason, I love you, but the iron left and 88 accounts are annoying and do nothing but spam disinfo about others and their stories; you know this, they’ve twisted your words before. If I was m7 I’d be dropping nukes left and right, going harder than he is. I think it’s ridiculous some of their threads still stay up, top of the front page for 11 hours some days.

      Maybe you should take a step back from SaidIt? Just a smol break. This is starting to get personal for you I feel based on your title. I honestly felt like in the beginning things were friendly between m7 and myself too (same with d3rr), but m7 doesn’t even respond to my rare pm’s anymore (I’m sure he’s busy), he now seems to assume the worst before he replies to my comments too (like I was blaming /u/fred_red_beans or saying he was destroying SaidIt’s og culture) for the site being spammed the last month, combined with his attitude and newly founded mistrust of random old accounts really soured me.

      Reading your comments with him, it reads like you want mutual respect and I feel you’re never going to get it.

      I do have to say I feel you’re wrong about the iron left, dio and the 88 accounts (and m7 is right). They’re nothing but trouble and drama sprinkled with disinfo and user baiting and infighting, this is my second time saying this to you. Leaving what they leave up is misinformation that puts users in a negative, untrue light. But I understand why you feel the way you do; your suggestions and comments are met with intense aggression from the admin almost always.

      Edit: I just read the rest of the comments; I didn’t mean to agree with them, nor sound like I was jumping on you Jason. I think you know I try to be as low key and drama-free as possible. I honestly meant my comment with the best of intentions, this wasn’t a stab, tease or reiteration of what anyone said.

      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      Why does Dio get grouped with the ironleft?

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      I’m not grouping him in with the iron left to be honest, he just kept trying to bait me, even when I was polite 2 the dude, and he did it multiple times.

      I’ve seen his other comments as well. It’s obvious he had no intention of following the PoD, at least imo which we all know are like assholes (opinions).