Judith Butler: ‘We need to rethink the category of woman to centre men' by Chunkeeguy in GenderCritical

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I recall having to read excerpts of Butler in my women's studies classes well before gender identity took off. Even back then I found her writing tortured and unrelateable.

Ovarit - Because of TRA/AGP, I can't fully support men being gender non-conforming by [deleted] in GenderCritical

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I get it, though. While I intellectually support men breaking gender stereotypes, I am starting to have a negative, visceral reaction when I see GNC males because I now associate them with TRAs and the erasure of women. I used to love seeing GNC men, but now it turns me off because I assume such men are misogynistic TRAs.

Also, not for nothing, the likely straight GNC men and boys I see today look kind of conformist and scrubby, not subversive and fabulous like the gay GNC men I used to see back in the day.

Would 'Laurel' Hubbard really throw the Olympics on purpose? by Rial in GenderCritical

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I have not been following the Olympics at all, but when I saw headlines that he lost all three events I immediately suspected him of throwing the competition for political reasons. Now he can be a history-making hero without and sympathetic female pulling focus from him, and now people will use this as supposed proof that there can be fair competitions between males and females.

2017 pronoun law unconstitutional to long-term care staff, court finds by WrongToy in GenderCritical

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The strategy has always been to use trans ideology to force men on vulnerable women in out-of-the-way places like prisons & nursing homes

Exactly. These people are less likely to successfully challenge the requirements, and then they can use those requirements as precedent for their next moves. It is like knocking down dominoes.

alifornia appellate court rules Trans pronouns law violates freedom of speech by DR373737 in GenderCritical

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I like how the article did not include any of the unanimous court's 42-page rationale for the decision, just TRA quotes. They are not even trying to pretend news is anything more than one-sided propaganda.

Need to know a site that won't ban gender critical bloggers. I'm about to go nuclear. by GConly in GenderCritical

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Maybe Write.As? I cannot vouch for it, but the description is promising:

Free your thoughts

We don't track you, so you can write exactly what you feel. Write anonymously or under different identities, giving you full control over who knows what about you. Write.as is used by writers, students, and everyday people who need a safe outlet online.

"Feminism is for everybody" and "Love is love" by WildApples in GenderCritical

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You are exactly right. I have been in NYC for the past decade plus while this stuff was spreading. I assume it was a weird pathology of major urban cities and I could escape the ideology if I just left the city. I cannot believe such a non-sensical belief system has spread so far.

LGBT...D??? by WildApples in LGBDropTheT

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I believe asexuality exists, but I don't believe this woman was asexual (she experiences sexual attraction) or that being asexual makes one LGB. I was not rolling my eyes at asexuality, but at the blatant colonization implied in her comments .

LGBT...D??? by WildApples in LGBDropTheT

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She is already middle-aged. I don't understand how she got sucked into it at her age.

LGBT...D??? by WildApples in LGBDropTheT

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What tripped me out is that this was a married, middle-aged woman with children, not a naive, college student whose knowledge of sexual relationships has been defined solely by campus hook-up culture. She is old enough to know better.

She said this in front of her teenage son, so she is sending him the message that hooking up indiscriminately is the norm and if he wanta an emotional connnection he needs a special label. It is sick.

Staff at a Californian spa defend right of man to show his genitals to naked and half dressed women and underage girls. by GConly in GenderCritical

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And of course the woke hipster dude had to jump in and mansplain. Is subjecting non-consenting women and children to phalluses really the hill you want to die on, bro?

It gave me so much joy to hear the other women jump in and back her up, causing him to retreat. I also loved the one woman asking for a refund. That is how we have to do it--women united and pushing back against this insanity.

My experience with my Boyfriend coming out to me as a TIM, and his recent public coming out sparking all my friends to applaud him and none of them to ask me how I am. by tepidpoppy in GenderCritical

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Thanks for sharing. I really felt your pain and the emotional arc you experienced. I always take away from these stories how toxic the culture is around gender that it primes people to submit to unhealthy, one-sided, and abusive relationships. It sounds like you broke through the cycle and are in a much healthier place now. Though it was painful for you, the self-knowledge you gained is invaluable.

Interesting logo for this "women's group" event... what are they trying to say? by hhh123 in GenderCritical

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It's awfully symbolic. It feels to me like an accurate representation of women's place under trans ideology: non-existent.

100 Easy Ways to Make the World Better for Trans People: which I am planning to disregrad completely. by linda_senora in GenderCritical

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I am tired of cis people talking about trans health. Ask us to talk, educate, share our stories, and pay us. This way you don’t get the credit for the lives we live.

And yet we are supposed to be okay with TiMs representing us and talking about menstruation and other female health issues.

Do not tell us we “are playing the victim,” WE ARE THE FUCKING VICTIM.

Yuck.

Don’t question someone’s religious beliefs because they are trans and you think they go against what it says in a holy book. This isn’t your business, OK?

But it is their business to question other people when they feel our words and actions are not sufficiently in line with their vision of civil rights...

YWCA Canada signs on to statement "A trans woman has a woman's body, and is indeed biologically female." by BEB in GenderCritical

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I actually would legitimately like to know how they'd answer that question.

Extremely Shocking "Non-Binary Genital Nullification Surgery" (images) by usehername in GenderCritical

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I did not look at the link because I do not want to see the pictures, but is non-binary genital nullification surgery basically trying to turn a human pelvic region into a Barbie doll crotch? It sounds horrid. How can people not question this kind of butchery?

Liberals Replace Offensive Term ‘Woman’ With ‘Child Factory Who Bleeds’ (Babylon Bee) by BEB in GenderCritical

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I know. Every time I post a BB link I feel compelled to specify that it is BB because the headlines are not so far off from reality, unfortunately.

US births drop significantly while its LGBT population increase rapidly during Trump administration by levind in GenderCritical

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I don't follow your train of thought at all. What is the "this" that has happened? And by "GenderCritical" do you mean this particular forum or the ideology as a whole. I have no idea what you are trying to say.

US births drop significantly while its LGBT population increase rapidly during Trump administration by levind in GenderCritical

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Great comment. And I want to add that I think there is a moral pressure among some younger cohorts to transcend sexuality. They receive the message from their woke friends that if they are not pansexual, they are too focused on genitalia and are not sufficiently capable of love if they cannot focus on a person's mind to the exclusion of her or his body.

How do "Transwomen" have Male Privilege? by Kai_Decadence in GenderCritical

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You reminded to add this:

All my life I received the message that I had to suck it up during my period and maintain my productivity and performance all month long even though a small part of the month I often was not feeling up to par. I was conditioned to show that I was no different than a man and therefore not inferior, a pressure TW have never experienced. Where I tried to minimize and hide the effect my cycle had on my emotions to avoid feeding into sexist stereotypes of women as irrational, TW seem to enjoy reinforcing those stereotypes by proudly declaring how emotional hormones made them. They never had to contend as men with people dismissing their thoughts and feelings by suggesting they are just hormonal and likely still do not as TW.

So it does not seem like a coincidence to me that once men started claiming to actually be women and to experience menstruation and once TRAs started advocating that menstruation is something experienced by men as well as women, politicians started to introduce the idea of menstrual leave from work. It was okay for just women to suffer all this time, but only now that it could benefit men is menstrual leave being openly considered.

How do "Transwomen" have Male Privilege? by Kai_Decadence in GenderCritical

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Trans issues currentlly trumping all other civil rights issues, which I believe is the case precisely because it allows the most privileged members of society (i.e. men, especially white and straight) to center themselves in the civil rights arena.

Claiming to want to be treated like women but then getting to opt out of being held to harsh feminine beauty standards by claiming such standards are transphobic.

Getting away with threats of violence on Twitter while women get banned and sometimes even terminated from their jobs for expressing non-threatening opinions about gender.

Their pain and discomfort being prioritized over women's so that women are forced to stop talking about our own identities and experiences to avoid triggering them. But if we say we don't like being called "cis" or the ways that some TWs are reinforcing sexually objectifying and degrading stereotypes about women, no one cares about our discomfort.

Violence against trans being taken more seriously than violence against women even though women experience a higher rate of violence. Society choosing to place TWs in women's spaces to avoid violence to them while comepletely ignoring the resultant risks of violence to women.

That society thinks that a TW's need for validation is more important than a female rape or domestic violence victim's need to avoid being retraumatized.

TWs getting to claim insight into women's experience despite not having any such experience, and then having objective scientific, medical, and social definitions and norms changed based on their supposed insights. Meanwhile, women have often had to fight (and are still fighting) to get official recognition of our experiences.

TWs getting to be super aggressive and even violent and not having it held against them.

Having a physical advantage in sport and getting to exploit that advantage to take women's spots and awards. TWs getting heralded as champions when their performance is just mediocre by biological standards, which is a privilege no woman will gets to experience.

In male-dominated tech spaces like Reddit, automatically fitting into the boys' club culture because they were conditioned as males.

TW getting to flaunt their sexual proclivities publicly and not have it held against them in politics or employment the way women do.

TWs feeling proud and validated at being sexually harassed in contrast to the fear and shame that women often feel at being harassed, presumably because they have the privilege of not having to live in fear of male violence all their lives like we do.

TW not being socialized like many women have been and continuing to behave in a traditionally masculine manner (dominating conversation, expecting women to emotionally prop them up, not doing their share of housework, etc.).

I could probably go on, but generally they continue to have very privileged, male expectations of being prioritized and centered in interactions, and those expectations are routinely fulfilled in way that few women ever get to experience.

Another GameStop "It's Ma'am!" Meltdown by BEB in GenderCritical

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"Sir" is now a slur comparable to the n- word? Do these people even hear themselves? It is appalling that people buy into this crap.

A question for the community. by Basghetti in GenderCritical

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You are not really making a good-faith effort to engage. You completely twisted and created a strawman out of her very clear explanation of the fundamental difference we have with you about the concept of gender. You cannot browbeat us into accepting your conception of gender.

I am very curious as to why you think we should see trans-identifying men as allies. You do not share our experiences or problems, your interests often conflict with ours, and you yourself are demonstrating here a disinclination to empathize with us, instead talking down to us in a way that could be deemed "mansplaining." What do we get from seeing you as allies other than having males demanding that we subordinate ourselves and center our worldviews and expression around them? How would accepting you as allies help us women?

Challenging gender "education": where do you even begin? by teacherterf in GenderCritical

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I wish I had something useful to add about cutting through, but I think you nailed it about the format. Trainings are top down, and these in particular are aimed at programming people to think the way they want them too. The one I went to recently made it seem like if you are not on board yet, it is because you are behind the times and in need of more programming. The one I went to was mandatory, but the "how can I do better?" reaction was similar. I did not try to challenge anything, but my sense is that since these trainings appeal to emotion instead of reason, the best pushback might be that which also focuses on emotional appeals.

A question for the community. by Basghetti in GenderCritical

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Wow. So if the medical staff acknowledge sex, they are transphobic and non-inclusive, but if they follow TRA advocacy and go by gender, they are showing implicit bias. They cannot win.

How problematic is accepting a man as a woman or a woman as a man if they pass well enough? And what problems does that bring? by Tea_Or_Coffee in GenderCritical

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This is the question I struggle with. Historically, I bought into the idea of using the pronouns for people who try to pass as a kindness, but it seems like that type of kindness has only led to the craziness we have today. It creates the false perception that everyone really does agree that TWAW, which leads to the arguments that they should be able to take over our identities and spaces. And, if nothing else, it centers the feelings of the trans-identified person above everything else, which reinforces the idea that it is our duty to limit our speech and expression to maintain their comfort instead of them performing their own emotional labor.

I am on the fence. I am still sympathetic to the argument on an individual level, but on the collective level I see it exacerbating gender problems in the long run.

Maya Forstater: ‘I am fighting for the right to say men can never be women’ by BiologyIsReal in GenderCritical

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This was a good write-up for the most part, but I did not like the false equivalence and the caricature of GC arguments at the end. I wonder what the author means by this:

As much as there does seem to be, in the extreme arguments put forward by certain sections of the transgender movement, an element of misogyny, there is, too, a whiff of misandry coming from some of Forstater’s supporters. As a woman who grew up in the ’50s and ’60s, I think I have a more tolerant view of what my two daughters call The Patriarchy. And my, doubtless old-fashioned, acceptance of a more traditional female life puts me slightly at odds with the kind of feminism that Forstater and the ‘Terfs’ expound.

What exactly is a "traditional female life"? What kind of feminism does she think we're espousing aside from GC views? It is not like we are all a monolith that thinks exactly the same. This reeks of "I am not like the other girls."

Is anyone here planning to move to a state/country that protects female-only spaces/activities? by WhiteZealot in GenderCritical

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I don't think I will completely avoid it, but I would like to go somewhere where I can openly express GC views without worrying that my social network will implode or my job will be threatened. I think eventually I will move from my current blue state to a red or at least purple state.

Ovarit discusses Plastic Surgery - surprised to see some of these comments by anxietyaccount8 in GenderCritical

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They are not discussing plastic surgery; they are discussing completely forbidding plastic surgery. I disagree with plastic surgery for the reasons the OP mentioned, but I completely disagree with prohibiting it. The problem is not the availability of the surgery anyway; the problem is with a culture that is oversaturated with youthful, hypersexualized images of women and which continually sends the message that you are not good enough the way you are.

I don't want to force my beliefs on others any more than I want people to force their beliefs on me, and I agree with the commenter who mentioned that it would create a bad precedent for women if we empowered government to intervene and make decisions about women's bodies for us. I will never support anything that requires supplanting women's own will and control of their bodies with government's. That is the same reason I don't support things like mask and vaccine mandates (not a popular opinion these days, I know, but my eyes are on the long-term repercussions). Once you set the precedent that government has the authority to make decisions about your body, political interests groups are going to use that power to impose their will on vulnerable classes (e.g. banning abortion and birth control for women, policing what pregnant women eat and do and criminalizing behavior deemed harmful to the fetus, forcibly transitioning a child over the parents' objections, etc.).

I've missed you all!!!!!!!!!!!! We need a back-up! by WildApples in GenderCritical

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When SaidIt went down, I saw someone on Reddit mention Ovarit and Spinster as back-ups. I know not everyone uses Ovarit-- heck, we had a whole thread explaining why we prefer it here-- and I have no idea if people here use Spinster or if it is suitable for group chat (Isn't it more akin to Twitter?). Immediately I was worried that we would be splintered and I would never hear from many of you again. And of course, our residents males could not join either option.

What is the best option to regroup if SaidIt goes down again?

Bathroom Protest by DR373737 in GenderCritical

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I do not know what to make of this story. The Post story frames it as horribly transphobic boys "stormed" the girls bathroom, blocked the girl from exiting, and the girl was initially expelled for defending herself. Replies on her sister's Twitter account suggest that the boys disseminated information about the protest ahead of time, and so the girl knew about the protest beforehand and vocalized an intent to assault any male who entered. https://twitter.com/savannahmoisan/status/1116817585389989890

So many people are cheering on the girl for defending herself against the boys, but I bet they will not be so supportive when the males who are entering the bathroom ID as female. How much of the support for the girl is simply because people perceive her to be standing against "transphobia"?

TAMPAX - FACT. Not all women have periods. Not all people with periods are women. Let’s celebrate the diversity of all people who bleed. by BEB in GenderCritical

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Ooh, I had not heard of menstrual disc before. So it's like a menstrual diaphragm. That's cool.

Who needs Tampax when there are so many alternatives?

A tech company creates an app for females only, transgender and friends feel offended by Carle in GenderCritical

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Yikes. That biometric scanning feature is creepy. So all the GC and rad fems will be rounded up in one place with their faces recorded in the company database. Even if the company is trustworthy, it would take just one TRA hack to cause a lot of trouble for the female user base.

Also, why do I have the suspicion that this feature will inevitably be modelled on European bone structures and will wrongfully exclude black women at a higher rate than women of other races? And males who transitioned early in life or even some who just have particularly delicate featured might be able to pass. This feels like a mess waiting to happen.

TAMPAX - FACT. Not all women have periods. Not all people with periods are women. Let’s celebrate the diversity of all people who bleed. by BEB in GenderCritical

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Have you thought about switching to menstrual cups? I switched years ago and never looked back.

TAMPAX - FACT. Not all women have periods. Not all people with periods are women. Let’s celebrate the diversity of all people who bleed. by BEB in GenderCritical

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You may want to check out menstrual cups. You can use one cup for years, so it is better for the environment and your wallet.

TAMPAX - FACT. Not all women have periods. Not all people with periods are women. Let’s celebrate the diversity of all people who bleed. by BEB in GenderCritical

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Ladies, if you are looking to boycott Tampax, I highly recommend menstrual cups.

The New York Times Can Tell The Difference Between Men And Women With Vaccines But Not Pronouns - The Federalist by WildApples in GenderCritical

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I loved that part too. I am so baffled by how few people around me see it. So many have bought into grievance ideology and seem unable to view the world through any other lens.

US pharmacy, CVS, said it was scrapping a "sex assigned at birth" question on vaccine form and would only ask people to state their gender following feedback from the lgbT+ community - How are we going to keep accurate statistics on the COVID pandemic if we allow these lunatics to run the asylum? by BEB in GenderCritical

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It also turns out that in aggregate, women have had worse bodily responses to the vaccine than men do, with more women than men experiencing side effects and nearly all the life-threatening anaphylactic reactions, although rare, occurring in women. The Times cites a study revealing that over nearly 30 years, women have made up 80 percent of all anaphylactic vaccine reactions among adults.

“[T]he higher rate of side effects in women also has a biological explanation,” the article says. While testosterone can weaken a body’s immune response, estrogen can galvanize it. “Additionally, many immune-related genes are on the X chromosome, of which women have two copies and men have only one,” the Times declares. “These differences may help explain why far more women than men are afflicted with autoimmune disease, which occurs when a robust immune response attacks the body’s healthy tissue.”

Here, the Times isn’t shy about making sex distinctions. It’s right there in the science: Men and women are obviously different in myriad ways, with immune and vaccine reactions just being the latest in the spotlight.

https://thefederalist.com/2021/04/13/the-new-york-times-can-tell-the-difference-between-men-and-women-with-vaccines-but-not-pronouns/

Stunning GC Spoken Word Poem (Hurry before Twitter deletes it!) by WildApples in GenderCritical

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I got this from Glinner Update. It has already been deleted from Facebook and Mumsnet.

Richard Dawkins Says He Didn't Mean to "Disparage Trans People" By Asking How Identifying As Opposite Sex Is Different To Identifying As Another Race. Then He Disparages Gender Critical People As "Republican Bigots" In The Next Sentence by MarkTwainiac in GenderCritical

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I think this one captures it quite well:

I don't expect most men to help women. I'd settle for them not calling up a pitchfork-wielding mob & screaming "take the women!" as they flee. Dawkins shoving women at advancing torches & crying "Republican bigots!" is a self-comforting lie: "They were probably witches, anyway."

https://twitter.com/fem_mb/status/1381789707055595522

TiM claiming to be on his period asks for advice on finding a period tracker for "AMAB transwomen" complaining that it's difficult to find a period tracker for TiMs because TiMs don't menstruate or bleed. I think it's time for a pandemic or something to give these boys something real to worry about. by BEB in GenderCritical

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This one really floored me. Wow, there is nothing they won't colonize.

They are not trying to get or avoid pregnancy nor looking for a reminder to avoid an uncomfortable situation in which they begin menstruating without access to menstrual products. I am sure they do experience some weird medically induced hormonal fluctuations as their bodies struggle to return them to normal, but what would be the point of tracking that on a personal level? What behavior would they need to change? There is no point except to try to add verisimilitude to the pretence of being female. It is so delusional.

And I am continually offended by their caricature of of the menstrual cycle. It is clear they have no idea what a cycle is, what body parts are involved, or what is happening within the body to cause the changes we experience because if they did they would understand it sure as hell is not happening to them. They seem to think the essence of a period is mood swings and cramps (the uterine shedding is too female and can be dispensed with, obvs). They are clinging to and promoting the negative stereotype of women acting crazy and irrational due to their periods. It pisses me off because most of my life I felt like I had to minimize and be silent about what I experienced due to my cycle precisely because I wanted to avoid that stereotype.

TiM Grace Lavery, the Berkeley English prof. who wanted to burn transphobic books, seems to be delighted at the thought that a TiM could get a uterus implanted from a dead or living woman, only to abort the fetus that was presumably the point of the operation. (Judith Butler is also at Berkeley...) by BEB in GenderCritical

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I found before and after trans photos of the couple telling; they looked so much happier and healthier in the before photo.

Mallory's story arc made me sad. It reads like she lost herself in a toxic and controlling relationship. Of course she is the one who gets sexually and publicly degraded in the relationship, but I am sure they tell themselves their relationship is so progressive and subversive because, in their minds, it is the "woman" dominating the "man." Despite wanting to "avoid dwindling into mere heterosexuality," it sounds like their relationship is treading the well-worn tropes of the dominant and promiscuous man and the woman who serves as his submissive wife.

Difficult post: child abuse, deviant behavior in my own family by Greykittymomma in GenderCritical

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My God! I am so sorry for you, your family, and especially the young girl. That is a horrible nightmare. I cannot imagine.

I do not want to minimize the trauma in any way, but this sense of victimhood does not have to define her either. In trying to gather information of my family history, I interviewed each of my parents about their childhoods and was shocked to learn for the first time that each of them had been molested as kids. While I am sure it affected them on a deep level, it did not hinder them from forming healthy adult relationships or having healthy relationships with children. The victim's subsequent course in life is not set in stone as a result of the violation, and I hope that with you and your family's support, the young lady will find a sense of resilience. I wish you all the best.

The Body Shop chooses male pretending to be a woman to talkm about period shaming in India. The Body Shop has no shame. by linda_senora in GenderCritical

[–]WildApples 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, he was already chosen as one of their brand, role models before the period post. He is marketing for them. https://www.instagram.com/tv/CLjG3lhBNzL/?igshid=1x3vai72ild66

The Body Shop chooses male pretending to be a woman to talkm about period shaming in India. The Body Shop has no shame. by linda_senora in GenderCritical

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It is a purposeful collaboration. There is another post further down the store's Instagram timeline highlighting the person as one of their "Leading Lights."

The Body Shop chooses male pretending to be a woman to talkm about period shaming in India. The Body Shop has no shame. by linda_senora in GenderCritical

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Adding to the irony, the post was accompanied with a picture of the poster holding a sign with Body Shop's campaign hashtag, "It's bloody natural." Um, there is nothing natural about male genital bleeding.

The Body Shop chooses male pretending to be a woman to talkm about period shaming in India. The Body Shop has no shame. by linda_senora in GenderCritical

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So it is okay for men to claim to be women without the lived experience of being women but she draws the line at letting them claim menstruation without the lived experience of menstruation? Maybe one day she will realized that once you give in to that kind of magical thinking, it is no longer possible to draw boundaries.

Andrew Sullivan yet again proves that male "allies" often are not. Speaking of the requests of hundreds of men to move into California women's prisons, Sullivan says, "A humane but risky experiment whose results we will soon see." Housing men in women's jail cells is HUMANE?!?!?!? F-Andrew Sullivan by BEB in GenderCritical

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And he tweeted this: https://twitter.com/MForstater/status/1379418310903791622/photo/1

I wish he was a little more nuanced. It is a lawsuit, not a garden party or group therapy session. Word choice is a huge component in forming legal arguments; if parties to a case cannot express themselves strategically and are forced to use the word choices dictated by their opponents, then they are in effect ceding a large part of their argument to the other side.

"Trans Women Are Men … Including Me" - Debbie Hayton by JustWhy in GenderCritical

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I did not get that at all from that comment. I took it to mean that medical transitioning and claims of being the opposite sex are making things confusing, not plain gender non-conformity.

Look, the emperor has no clothes!!! by Chunkeeguy in GenderCritical

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When people mentioned an incel-to-trans pipeline, I thought it was a tongue-in-cheek hyperbole, but I see that it is apparently a real thing based on these tweets. They even have a name for it-- "transmaxxing." Crazy.

Look, the emperor has no clothes!!! by Chunkeeguy in GenderCritical

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I can't. And the music, like she is overcoming insurmountable obstacles.... How can anyone watch that and see anything other than a privileged, narcissistic, self-indulgent person who lacks reason and perspective? How did we get to a place where people accept that her utterly mundane experience was some form of tragedy?

Terrifying: Amazon, Facebook, Google, Twitter and more partner with coalition to promote tech's “progressive” future by WildApples in GenderCritical

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The Democratic founder stated, "Our organization will be focused on making America’s high-tech future bright, fair, and inclusive for all Americans.”

Given what we have seen of Big Tech and Democrats' idea of inclusivity thus far, I imagine gender ideology will be a big part of their vision.

Other places to discuss unwokeness? by JMAlarin1290 in GenderCritical

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Quillette Circle: https://forum.quillette.com/

Wasn't this just all apart of the plan? by pesos in GenderCritical

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I thought the writer was sensitive to the plight of women and seemed to be encouraging other gay men to be more sympathetic. He noted that lesbian women inherently had different objectives from gay men, but he did not suggest that those differences were wrong or unreasonable.

The part about sex with animals as the beginning of interspecies communication and other sexual perversions was disgusting (p. 6). More and more I see why conservatives kept raising the slippery slope argument of legalizing homosexuality potentially leading to pedophilia and beastiality.

The section on children (p. 6) was sad. He acknowledged that straight men may molest young girls, but otherwise "kids can take care of themselves." Ugh. I gather that the author had sexual experiences as a kid that he considered positive and consensual, but I do not see how anyone can deny that boys can be groomed, molested, and taken advantage of just like girls. I think anyone who looks at the story of Vili Filau and Mary LeTourneau can see that he was taken advantage of by her, robbed of what remained of his childhood, and had his whole life irrevocably altered because of it. She tried to use the same argument as the author, that the kid came onto her, but if you watch interviews of them together, especially the more recent ones, you can tell that he harbors deep pain and regret about it. This idea that boys are just sex machines that cannot be molested needs to die.

Request to reinstate r/GenderCritical on Reddit by yipopov in GenderCritical

[–]WildApples 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, because your rattling off names will do nothing to make you capable of understanding an argument, which is where the problem lies.

Request to reinstate r/GenderCritical on Reddit by yipopov in GenderCritical

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I do not disagree with you that TRA extremists will call any criticism bigoted, but that is besides the point. I and several others have clearly emphasized that our criticism is about appealing to the people who have not yet been radicalized by TRAs, and your continued refusal to acknowledge that seems willful at this point.

Why are you so invested in using slurs? Is defending the slur "troon" really the hill you want to die on?

Edited to add: Some of us foresee a day when we may have to justify to our schools, employers, or courts that we do not subscribe to gender beliefs, and when that day comes, we will need records that shows that GC viewpoints are not inherently hateful. If the arbiter looks up a GC forum to learn more about our ideas and sees "troon" and "tranny" all over the place, we will lose. And then we may be legally required IRL to use gender idioms, deny biology, and otherwise profess false gender beliefs. You desire to use slurs is ultimately cutting off your nose to spite your face.

The Century of the Self (Full Documentary): the Origin of Gender Narcissism? by WildApples in GenderCritical

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This is a great documentary that discusses the advent of using psychology in marketing to manipulate the public. It is not specifically about gender, but it discusses the focus on individual identity expression, which was a marked departure from people's historically group and community focused identities. Basically, advertising gave rise to the market for individual expression and the focus on the self above all else.

A lot of the videos and articles by trans people that are posted here leave me questioning why is the person so self-focused and navel-gazing? But it seems like the logical conclusion of the century of self, identity expression that is so individualistic that it has no basis in material reality and that it becomes cannibalistic, requiring the destruction of the people asserting the identities. And, of course, gender ideology has become one of the greatest marketing successes, taking an illogical, niche idea that goes against everything we know as humans and having it adopted by people and governments around the world, resulting in a growing consumer class that will forever be in need of medical products and services.

TiM loading up on pharmaceuticals in order to breastfeed baby by BEB in GenderCritical

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It is horrifying. It is a red flag suggesting that he is going to be a narcissistic parent. The baby is not even born yet and already he is expecting it to validate his identity and prop up his fragile ego, baby's needs be damned.

Ohio professor who rejected transgender pronouns can sue university: U.S. appeals court by TheOnyxGoddess in GenderCritical

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It is progress but the court stated that the question of whether one’s sex can be changed is a "hotly contested" matter of public concern rather than a conclusively answered question that is only doubted by a minority of postmodern extremists. We will have to prove biology is real instead of it just being deemed a fact. That is unnerving since scientists have caved so much to the woke crowd. TRAs will have no problem finding some scientists willing to say that sex is a fluid, malleable spectrum. But maybe we could get a Scopes trial out of it to publicize the absurdity.

From HEALTH.com: What It’s Like to Have a Period as a Non-Binary Person: 'We Need to Stop Associating Periods With Womanhood' (unintentionally HILARIOUS) by BEB in GenderCritical

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Because when you're assigned female at birth and identify as a woman, the crunch of a pad wrapper isn't just a possibility for embarrassment. It isn't the kind of liability that could result in transphobic harassment or even physical assault.

I couldn't read the whole thing because it was tedious and reeked of first world problems. The problem is completely artificial. She is a woman who menstruates, which will not be shocking to anyone, and she could use the women's bathroom without any issue. The only barrier or potential harm is entirely in her mind. These people are hurting themselves with this convoluted and completely unnecessary ideology. She is putting so much energy into resisting reality. Just accept that you're a woman and do you; no one is stopping you.

Education Student Reinstated Following Suspension For Saying, ‘A Man Is A Man, A Woman Is A Woman’ by WildApples in GenderCritical

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TRAs have gotten so good at censoring that liberals and conservatives alike think only conservatives are GC. They know if it become apparent that people on the left are also critical, the ideology will fall like a house of cards.

Request to reinstate r/GenderCritical on Reddit by yipopov in GenderCritical

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Conflating "the gc position" with bigotry isn't something they do because of the words we use, it's how they silence us. And if our response is to quiet down and follow their (arbitrary, ever changing) demands of language, all that's doing is giving in and crippling our movement.

I don't need the word "troon" or any other slur to express GC ideas. Ad hominems do not make arguments better, and it is not the refraining from them that is silencing me. It will be the inability to distinguish ourselves from bigots that will cripple the movement.

Request to reinstate r/GenderCritical on Reddit by yipopov in GenderCritical

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It is not about coddling TRAs. We are in a PR battle and we need as much support as we can get. It we take the high road, it makes them look ridiculous when they accuse us of hate. If we sink to their level and use slurs, then the people who are on the sidelines will agree with them that we are hateful bigots. I am annoyed thinking about all the Redditors who are new to the issue and had that thread as their introduction to GC ideas. Those people will now believe that we are hateful and will not be open to hearing from us. It plays right into TRA hands, and we are the ones who lose because of it.

Education Student Reinstated Following Suspension For Saying, ‘A Man Is A Man, A Woman Is A Woman’ by WildApples in GenderCritical

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The reinstatement is not surprising given the clear free speech violation involved, but the interesting thing is that the student is still contemplating suing the school. If he does so successfully, he could establish a precedent that affirms that GC views are protected speech.

Reddit claims to have fired Ashton/Aimee by EveSerpent in GenderCritical

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Exactly. Notably, Reddit's statement seems to suggest that they still view posting links critical of Challenor as "vehicles of harassment." While I give kudos to the subs for standing their ground and putting pressure on Reddit, this is purely a symbolic and vague mea culpa. I would not be surprised if Challenor is still working for or with Reddit anonymously behind the scenes under a new username.

Request to reinstate r/GenderCritical on Reddit by yipopov in GenderCritical

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Hard agree. Now they will be more convinced than ever that they are right about gender criticism being synonymous with hatred and bigotry.

Slanting the News: "Bill Would Ban Transwomen From Sports" by JulienMayfair in GenderCritical

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I am getting tired of this trans are being denied and banned from opportunities nonsense. It is another Orwellian tactic to obscure language and prevent us from talking about what is really happening.

Equality is hard won... by Chunkeeguy in GenderCritical

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Dear lord. She also tweeted:

Is there research showing that discrimination happens on the basis of actual sex rather than perceived sex or gender? Because otherwise it seems that a lot of energy is being poured into arguing about solving a problem that doesn’t exist, at the expense of solving one that does.

https://twitter.com/KirstySNP/status/1375010670958288896

1990 Law Review Article: Toilets as a Feminist Issue by WildApples in GenderCritical

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Thanks for all the info!

GLAAD's "Accountability Project" - JKR's name removed at some time today by BiologyIsReal in GenderCritical

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This is so sinister. It is one thing to give politicians and high-profile organizations ratings on a topic to provide guidance to your members about their civil responsibilities, but the only function for including private, non-elected individuals is so that people will know who to target for attacks. It is a digital hit list.

1990 Law Review Article: Toilets as a Feminist Issue by WildApples in GenderCritical

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This is not about gender per se, but I found it when I was trying to find an article about the history of public bathrooms for women that was written prior to the transgender mania. It is an interesting look into the politics of bathrooms before gender dominated everything else.

Colorado baker sued again, this time for "gender transition cake" by WrongToy in GenderCritical

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You and I inhabit such different worlds. The people I know will just see this as further proof that trans issues are an extension of LGB issues and that trans people are facing overwhelming discrimination that needs to be solved ASAP.

They know what they are doing. They are trying to get the halo of gay rights sympathy to extend to trans issues just like they try to get the halo of black civil rights sympathy extended to them. And from what I can see, it is working.

The Tide Is Turning But In The Wrong Direction: Law Student Women's Group Argues For All-Gender Restrooms by SophiaLoren in GenderCritical

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What kills me is how privileged and sheltered they are, and how that is going to be used against less privileged women. They are already saying that women have no good reason to object to mixed bathrooms. If they succeed, they will use the experience as further proof that they are right, not understanding how their elite circumstances protects them. The bathrooms will not be open to the general public; their use will be limited to known people who stand to lose the careers they've invested so much in if they get into any legal trouble. The school will be scandalized if one of its elite law students get assaulted, and there will be security hovering around at all times. And students can always leave to use the bathroom at thr dorm or home.

But I just know they will use their experience to argue that women who do not want to share private spaces with men are behind the times. They won't even think about the women who are in shelters, prisons, or even high schools who do not have the protections they have or the ability to go somewhere else. These are the people who will go to work in politics and give us more bills like the Equality Act or, heaven forbid, who will advance to the courts and interpret laws against women's interests. They will be the ones issuing opinions like the one in the Maya Forstator case that found her continued acknowledgment of sex "not worthy of respect in a democratic society." I weep for the future.