The definition is how much you align with your own definition

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[–]WildApples 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The first line is just the concept of identity period, sans gender. But then they conflate identity with gender ideology so that kids feel the question of identity must be defined as a question about gender so that the sense of self can only derive from a quest for a gender identity. It suggests that one can only have a sense of self if one has a gender identity. It reduces people to such a narrow and superficial window of possibilities for self-discovery and expression. I find it sad.

[–]soundsituation[S] 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Sounds like you might be agender.

[–]Hankypants 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

In a way it's understandable - there's no mention of sex or of being a particular sex so this "gender identity" could be a psychological condition that genderbread.org is trying to advise young people about. In a round-about way it's highlighting stereotypes.

However, it's terribly sad that this concept isn't being used to get rid of sex-based stereotypes when it could so easily be used to show that boys or girls don't need to be constrained by blue or pink, and that the only difference between them is the role they might play in reproduction.

[–]FlippyKing 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Imagine if they did call it a psychological condition. They avoid saying anything concrete because they would necessarily point to stereotypes. I don't know what's worse, subjecting kids to word salads uncritically so they think this is a reasonable way to speak, or openly subjecting them to obvious stereotypes which at least can be opposed.

[–]FlippyKing 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The first sentence, "Your psychological sense of self" has me wondering: what other senses of self there are, how it differs from an unqualified "sense of self" one might have, if it is psychological then does it require a professional to sort out, and does it matter at all? I know the answer for the last one is "no".

[–]soundsituation[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

what other senses of self there are

Yep. What about my psychological sense of age, race, class, species, intelligence, athletic ability, etc.

[–]AXXA 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

my psychological sense of self owns a yacht

[–]soundsituation[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

That is valid <3

[–]FlippyKing 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Excellent point. Those must be just as valid as a psychological sense of self with regard to gender. Rachel Tuval shows us that with regard to race.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If your psychological sense of self does not align with reality you need therapy, not hormones and surgery.

[–]TarshishJupiter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

TransLogic TM. It's hard to come up with a definition everyone can get behind when every definition except an obtuse and confusing one is offensive.