Stop saying, ‘Where are the feminists?’

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[–]jet199 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun - 2 years ago (0 children)

[–]censorshipment 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun - 2 years ago* (8 children)

The GC mods allowed racism and even banned us (woc). The r/blackladies mods reported a lot of racism on the GC sub and spoke directly to the co-founders of Reddit (Alexis and Steve). That's why r/gc_woc was created (and eventually banned during the second-wave of bans in 2020 since it was "transphobic" and the r/blackladies mods are libfems). The GC mods were not supportive of "intersectionality". I think they allowed white women to call out "Karens" before the sub was banned. A lot of anti-racism white women on Instagram and TikTok were calling out racist white women, too. It was marvelous to see that it was not just woc calling out Karens throughout 2020-2021.

Globally, racism is much worse than sexism. White women benefit from racism much more than men of color benefit from sexism. I say this as a black lesbian who hates men and dates white women (who are fully aware of their white privilege and suffer from white guilt 😄).

Ida B. Wells called out white women over a century ago... sad that we still must call out white women over the same shit.

[–]jet199 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun - 2 years ago (3 children)

[–]WildApples 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun - 2 years ago (2 children)

It is not a competition. They are both bad. Surely it has not escaped your notice that white people control almost all the world's resources and dictate how the world should be run while black people around the world as a whole still suffer the legacy of colonialism instituted by white imperialists. The fact that some black people are well off and that white people are now abusing the concept of racial justice for their own political self-interests does not mean that racism is no longer a problem. The most frustrating thing about these white "social justice" activists is that they have completely undermined racial justice and the ability of black people to express our interests.

While I hate that intersectionality has been used to collapse all civil rights issues and make straight white men the most prioritized class, these posts illustrate why intersectionality was ever needed in the first place. It is not fun having to fight two fronts at the same time and defend your interests against your "allies."

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun - 2 years ago* (0 children)

white people control almost all the world's resources and dictate how the world should be run while black people around the world as a whole still suffer the legacy of colonialism instituted by white imperialists.

I don't think the situation in the world today is quite as black and white as you paint it - figuratively or in fact. Your view might once have been accurate, but I don't think it's entirely on the mark anymore. Chinese people control a lot of the world's resources nowadays, and many believe that what China is doing in Africa and elsewhere in the developing world is a new form of colonialism just as imperialistic, avaricious and destructive - and racist - as the European colonialism of past eras.

https://e360.yale.edu/features/the-dark-legacy-of-chinas-drive-for-global-resources

https://www.indiatoday.in/business/story/china-overtakes-us-as-richest-country-global-wealth-mckinsey-report-1877299-2021-11-16

https://www.dw.com/en/is-china-africas-new-colonial-power/av-56439246

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/protect-the-party-chinas-growing-influence-in-the-developing-world/

https://www.eastasiaforum.org/2010/09/27/chinas-control-over-world-resources/

white people control almost all the world's resources and dictate how the world should be run

Also, it seems to me that nowadays the major Silicon Valley tech firms play an outsized role in dictating how the world should be run - and these firms have a disproportionate number of brown-skinned men of Indian heritage in all important positions, including at the helm. Just as decidedly not white men from the relatively small islands nation of Japan have played a disproportionately large role in global business, tech and finance since at least the 1980s.

Parag Agrawal, who was appointed this week as Twitter's CEO, has joined at least a dozen other Indian-born techies in the corner offices of the world's most influential Silicon Valley companies.

Microsoft's Satya Nadella, Alphabet's Sundar Pichai, and the top bosses of IBM, Adobe, Palo Alto Networks, VMWare and Vimeo are all of Indian descent.

Indian-origin people account for just about 1% of the US population and 6% of Silicon Valley's workforce - and yet are disproportionately represented in the top brass.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-59457015

https://fortune.com/2021/12/03/twitter-ceo-tech-industry-microsoft-google-silicon-valley-indian-born-leaders/

Brown-skinned persons born in India, or of Indian heritage, play disproportionately large and dominant roles running many other kinds of corporations around the world too.

https://www.indiatoday.in/education-today/gk-current-affairs/story/indian-origin-ceos-leading-top-companies-across-the-world-1893342-2021-12-28

I'm not saying that the success and power of people of Indian heritage in running the world today is a bad thing. I say good for them! I'm just pointing out that the way you have portrayed the world situation today is inaccurate. Depicting the disparities of power, wealth and control of resources that exist globally in the 21st century as basically just a matter of white people lording it over and hogging resources from black people leaves out much of what it actually going on. It also ignores the fact that more than half of the people on earth today are Asian. People of Han Chinese ethnicity alone make up one-fifth of the world's population.

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[–]WildApples 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 2 years ago (2 children)

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[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun - 2 years ago* (0 children)

Also, since we're talking "global struggle" here, I don't get why racism is being depicted as something that only or mainly occurs between black and white people. There's lots of different kinds of racism in the world. For example, lots of east Asian people are racist towards blacks, and many black people are racist towards east Asians.

The Middle East is rife with racism. Arab Muslims historically and today are, generally speaking, very racist towards those who are not Arab and Muslim. The Islamic Arab slave trade lasted far longer and involved far greater numbers of black Africans than the white European and Atlantic slave trade did. Even today, many in the Arab world still practice and support actual and de facto slavery of non-Arabs, especially of those with dark skin from south Asia and sub-Saharan Africa along with people from parts of east Asia like the Philippines.

As for "Islamophobia," lots of the world's Muslims are incredibly prejudiced towards and abusive of non-Muslims. And they see non-Muslim girls and women as the lowest of the low, subhumans whom they feel it is their right to subject to the most horrific kinds of abuse. Just look at the "grooming gang" scandals in the UK. All the perps are Muslim men, mostly but not entirely of Pakistani origin and heritage. And the vast numbers of girls and women they have raped, beaten, sex trafficked and in some cases killed have been mostly white English/British, or to a lesser extent Indian girls and women from Sikh and Hindu families.

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