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[–]StillLessons 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (134 children)

Ah yes, terrorism. That wonderful boogeyman, used throughout history by whichever side currently holds power.

The question one always needs to ask when "terrorism" is mentioned: who is threatened? Is the population threatened, or is the establishment and the government threatened? Are white nationalists out attacking citizens? I have seen no credible evidence for this; any evidence that is presented always traces back to the same extremely biased (and deep-pocketed) sources.

Do whites represent a threat to our corporate/government power establishment, however? Absolutely. 100%. Whites are becoming increasingly tired of being explicitly labeled as hateful/racist/ignorant bigots while watching blacks killing each other in high numbers ignored. Interestingly, blacks are also increasingly realizing that the anti-racist message is nothing but toxic poison for their communities. Blacks who dare disagree are now called racial epithets and labeled as anti-black racists. That's a slap-in-the-face wake-up call if ever there was one. The government/corporate establishment is very scared of the anger building in both the white and the black communities in response to these trends. The establishment's fear makes sense from their own point of view. But is the anger they correctly witness a threat to them or a threat to me? That is the question each of us must answer in our own heart.

[–]Jesus 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (133 children)

Zionists did 9/11

[–]RedEyedWarriorIndependent 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Guess who funds Al Qaeda and ISIS anyway.

[–]Jesus 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

No, both of those did not do 9/11. Though they do get funded by Zionists for destbilization purposes. The hijacker narrative was fake.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

CIA Zionists.

[–]RedEyedWarriorIndependent 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Bingo!

[–]StillLessons 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

This is not helpful.

I have no idea if it is true or not, and going the route of finding out would be a waste of time and resources.

It is important to know that the official 9/11 story is impossible according to easily accessible physics, which means the MSM coverage of those events represents the greatest disinformation campaign launched until that time. It is important to know that the establishment - including every single person working to propagate a demonstrable lie (this is tens of thousands of people) - is thoroughly corrupt and cannot be trusted.

But attaching a name such as "zionists" to this truth only adds a new layer of confusion and distraction to the story. That the story is a lie is enough. Strip every person involved in that story of all authority or ability to spread any information ever again. It doesn't matter what we call them. Just deal with them as individuals.

The trail certainly starts with Larry Silverstein. Follow it from there, from person to person, no labels required.

[–]Jesus 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

No, because Zionism is the structural problem in the US. It is parasitical, treasonous and a corporate ideology.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

All problems of humanity are political (not counting personal individual problems), thus politics is the greatest problem on Earth, but Zionists control most nation's politics, therefore...

Zionism is the single greatest problem on Earth.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Agreed. Though Judeo-masonic naturalism is also a problem.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

There are a lot of other problems, most lead back to that singular source point, including banking, economics, corporatocracy, media, and supply networks such as food, energy, resources, and goods (now being squeezed out).

What makes you think "Judeo-masonic naturalism" is a comparable problem worth mentioning? I don't even know exactly what you mean by it.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Well, what's worse than all of this is incorporation. Corporations are the biggest problem.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Hmmm, let's call it a tie, or better, call the biggest problem: corporatist Zionists or Zionist corporatocracy.

I could point to 100 years ago where the Zionists weren't quite as dominant over everything, but at the same time the technology was different. Corporations were a problem then too but again, less people depended on them. I think of corporations as a tool and legal shield for the ruling class which has become all Zionists. IMO the two are inseparable.

[–]Jesus 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Wrong, Zionist supremacists, nearly all Jews, including neocons (neo-Trotskyites, the Likud, Mossad and 5th column dual-Israelis in the executive and intelligence agencies orchestrated 9/11.

[–]Sendnoodles 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Do have a legitimate and verifiable source for that?

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Bollyn, David Ray Griffin, PNAC, Graeme MacQueen, etc. look there. I have hundreds of detailed posts about 9/11 and the players involved. I'm really done wasting my time trying to change peoples minds at this point because so many people are shills and bots and people are too far gone to have their mind changed, they'd rather just believe Zionist Jews. Just read my posts. Search 'jesus neocon site:saidit.net' on duckduckgo. My posts will come up.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, u/socks

[–]Jesus 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Followed the trail from Silverstein and found that every single person involved or who covered up the attrocity event was a Zionist, dual-Israeli or Jew.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (116 children)

They know who did 9/11

They were Saudis. Saudi Arabia, as with the rest of the Arab world, are not generally Zionists.

[–]Jesus 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (29 children)

Nope, saudi arabia had nothing to do with 9/11. Please screw off. That is the gatekeeping narrative espoused by Zionists. Those Saudi 'hijackers', they didn't hijack anything had Mossad and east Germany intel links from the past. They were spooks being tracked and controlled by Mossad to manufacture the narrative that Zionist media would pick up.

[–]Sendnoodles 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Where exactly does this statement fit on the pyramid of debate. How are you contributing to this sites quality with such unfounded and inflammatory claims?

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Nope. Zionist Jews did 9/11. You can simply search my posts. I have hundredsmof posts on thr players behind 9/11. None were muslims, not one, that's the truth. Now research and read David Ray Griffin, Graeme MacQueen, Bollyn, empirestrikes back blog, wtcdemolition blog, etc.

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

The Palestinians want to end Jews. - Sendnoodles

Say hi to your Zionist friends in Tel Aviv, shill.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

These guys are as annoying as socks.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

They're actually more annoying to be honest. Socks at least makes some decent points.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

You give him way too much credit. That makes him more "reasonable" and therefore more dangerous and potentially influential beyond the core few dozen on SaidIt who get it.

[–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Its his alt I think

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

Nope, saudi arabia had nothing to do with 9/11.

All except four of the Hijackers were from Saudi Arabia

Those Saudi 'hijackers', they didn't hijack anything had Mossad and east Germany intel links from the past.

Okay. Does it mention that in the 9/11 commission report? Because it's news to me.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

I JUST TOLD YOU NOBODY Hijacked ANY PLANE, period. The planes that flew into the buildings were drones. The operation followed the Northwoods script. This is clearly observed on the arcgis data; where for instance, UA93 was somewhere over Illinois well after it allegedly buried itself into a mine.

The commission report was a scam put out by Zionist Jews to cover up 9/11.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Guy should be expelled from the Us. Oh wait, now he is head of the covid commission.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I have a feeling ActuallyNot is a shill.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Perhaps even a shillbot.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

You are very far behind if you take the commission report as truth. Read David Rat Griffin and Graeme MacQueen as well as Bollyn and ten research the arcgis flight data on all the planes. The data proves they were drones.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You are very far behind if you take the commission report as truth.

Whoa. Your conspiracy theory has just grown by thousands who are involved in the conspiracy. Do you think it's surprising that no one has leaked? At all?

I'm guessing you've never managed a project?

The data proves they were drones.

Link me to this data.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

There are thousands of officals, even former CIA and intel officials that have or had worked for US corp that proclaim that the offical narrative of 9/11 is fraudulent and that the commission report was a cover-up; even former NIST employees came out and sided with Architechs and Engineers for 9/11 truth. The official Straussian mythos that you parrot is what Trump and all the treasonous Zionist parrots.

First, read these books:

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Okay, now about the planes.

  • The holding pattern the F-15's from Otis AFB where put in, officially claimed to have occurred between 9:08 – 9:13, actually occurred earlier and was made necessary because the pilots UNEXPECTEDLY flew faster than the conspirators planned.

  • The unexpected 41 minute delay of flight 93 made the 9:21 false 'phantom 11' report necessary because it was Flight 93 that the F-16s from Langley were suppose to out chasing to draw them away from Washington, D.C. to allow Flight 77 to hit the Pentagon.

  • Langley's Supervisor of Flying, Capt Borgstrum was ordered to fly in an UNARMED F-16 to ensure there was no Supervisor of flying during the Langley scramble. This resulted in the F-16 being sent out over the Atlantic and unreachable!

  • NORAD officials made the mistake of repeating the original plan to the 9/11 Commission (Langley scrambled because of Flight 93 – which hadn't even been hijacked yet!). A de facto confession.

https://archive.li/dOnKx

^ ^ ^ That article reveals that two different "Flight 11" departed from Boston Logan on September 11th.

From 11-22-1963:

"In this 2010 article, the 9/11 Commission reveals that passengers boarded Flight 11 when it had already pushed back How? The final report lies about the boarding data update intervals, calling these times "approximate only"" :

These boarding times from the American system are approximate only; for flight 11 they indicated that some passengers boarded after the aircraft had pushed back from the gate.

"Of course, it's not possible for passengers to board after the plane has pushed back from the gate. What the Commission is claiming here is that if someone boarded at e.g. 7:37, that's rounded up and recorded as 7:50. This is hard to believe."

"In actuality, the boarding data is approximate to within ±15 seconds, not 15 minutes as the Commission would have you believe. The reservation status of a passenger is checked every 15 minutes, but when boarding begins, the EGR system updates in 15 second intervals."

"The passengers boarded a DIFFERENT Flight 11 (the real one) which departed from Gate 26. The SABRE data indicates that Wail and Waleed al-Sheri boarded at 7:31, so boarding probably started at 7:30 and lasted until 7:55 or 8:00."

"Another discrepancy: several passengers and crew (i.e. Richard Ross, Al Filipov and Amy Sweeney) called their families before boarding to tell them that Flight 11 would be delayed. But Flight 11 departed from the gate on time at 7:45, according to the official story. How is this possible?"

"The answer must be that it's a different plane. Al Filipov himself called his wife from the Boston Airport lounge at 7:45. To walk from there to Gate 32 would probably take at least five minutes or more, by which time he'd discover that Flight 11 had already left the gate. So he must've boarded a different plane (specifically, at gate 26) with a later boarding time."

https://web.archive.org/web/20010913185306/http://www.cbsnews.com/earlyshow/healthwatch/healthnews/20010913terror_russian.shtml

Interestingly, the data shows the al-Sheri brothers (two of the accused hijackers) boarding the plane. My answer, if the planes did not have real hijackers? They were playing "hijacker" roles assigned to them in a live-fly exercise. I think the plane departing from Gate 32 was a drone. There were live-fly hijack exercises taking place through-out the week of September 11th. Vigilant Guardian was one of them, in that year's scenario.

I can understand how the flight crew could go along with such a drill, but I'm not sure how random passengers would get involved. By all accounts, the passengers thought they'd be flying a regular flight (for example, Ross was frustrated the plane was delayed because he had to arrive at L.A. for a business meeting).

No passengers from Flight 11 made phone calls (odd, since the airphone system was allegedly working on American Airlines 757s at the time), but passengers from the other hijacked flights did.

That is, the passengers boarded the real, registered aircraft. Looking at the evidence we have, it's certainly wrong according to the official story, in terms of which gate Flight 11 is said to have left from (which is Gate 32). I've long believed that real passenger airliners were swapped with drones on 9/11.

The FAA could only track the drone flights on their radar. En-route facilities don't have what's called "radio direction finding" to determine the origin of radio calls. The airlines tracked the actual registered aircraft through ACARS (the ground station stamps on the print-outs indicating the plane's rough location) and the aircraft situation display.

Interestingly though, NEADS Col. Robert Marr told the 9/11 Commission that he saw United 93 circling over Chicago on radar (or some other source, but it wasn't ACARS). United 93 was never near Chicago's airspace in the official story. So Marr somehow knew that this plane "circling" over Chicago was the real United 93. I don't know if he was getting this information from a superior, if he had some kind of overlay on the display which told him, but he knew where United 93 was. That information wasn't available to the air traffic controllers, because they were fooled by the transponder code changes.

ATC didn't have time to check which planes were flying that day. "United 177" was reported hijacked at 9:25 (along with United 175), but it was later found to be "held at the gate" even though its departure was scheduled in the evening.

The FAA definitely had the filed flight plans for all aircraft flying that day, including those in the live-fly exercises. Somebody filed the correct flight plan for the real passenger aircraft. But, I think this aircraft flew under a different call sign to air traffic control.

According to this document: https://kapitalgate.files.wordpress.com/2021/05/ads-b-guide_jferrera.pdf

Typically, the data block will show the aircraft “Call Sign” (N # or Flight Id) which comes from the filed aircraft flight plan which is matched to the aircraft by the squawk code transmitted by the aircraft.

In normal civil aviation, the transponder squawk has to match the filed flight plan for the aircraft.

The user "Non-equilibrium" posted this:

http://content.time.com/time/subscriber/printout/0,8816,973481,00.html

Military flights involved in covert operations (e.g. the BCCI-connected drug and gun running) disguised themselves as regular civilian flights by altering their transponder code. I think something similar happened on 9/11, possibly through what's called a FAKER exercise (under NORAD).

In the scenario I'm thinking of, the real plane with the flight plan for "American 11" would alter its transponder code (I believe on Mode-S) so it would identify as, e.g. "American 265", and it would call out that identity to ATC. The drone duplicate which was meant to crash into a target could have its transponder code altered remotely, so it would identify as "American 11" to ATC on its data block. So the two planes would definitely have different call signs. But the real aircraft has the flight plan for the route its meant to be flying (e.g. BOS → LAX).

http://911woodybox.blogspot.com/2010/11/was-flight-93-part-of-military-hijack.html

http://911woodybox.blogspot.com/2011/03/was-flight-11-real-world-exercise.html

Webster Tarpley's chart of drills taking place in the months leading up to 9/11, and on day of:

https://www.tarpley.net/docs/drills_of_911.pdf

Tarpley also has a book, 9/11: Synthetic Terror, which is freely available to read. It talks about the various drills which made the 9/11 operation possible, e.g. weakening the air defence by diverting fighters from alert bases to over Alaska, Nevada, and so on.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Here's one example: It reveals the bank would fly drone aircraft in place of real commercial flights. They would change the transponder codes to imitate real flights.

http://content.time.com/time/subscriber/printout/0,8816,973481,00.html

"The plane then departed for Czechoslovakia, taking the place of a scheduled Pakistan International Airlines commercial flight that was aborted at the last minute by prearrangement. The 707's radar transponder was altered to beep out the code of a commercial airliner, which enabled the plane to overfly several countries without arousing suspicion. "

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The Hijackers Part 1


There are some who maintain that the mythical 9/11 hijackers, although proven to be too incompetent to fly a little Cessna 172, had acquired the impressive skills that enabled them to fly airliners by training in flight simulators.

What follows is an attempt to bury this myth once and for all, because I’ve heard this ludicrous explanation bandied about, ad nauseam, on the Internet and the TV networks—invariably by people who know nothing substantive about flight simulators, flying, or even airplanes.

A common misconception non-pilots have about simulators is how “easy” it is to operate them. They are indeed relatively easy to operate if the objective is to make a few lazy turns and frolic about in the “open sky”. But if the intent is to execute any kind of a maneuver with even the least bit of precision, the task immediately becomes quite daunting. And if the aim is to navigate to a specific geographic location hundreds of miles away while flying at over 500 MPH, 30,000 feet above the ground the challenges become virtually impossible for an untrained pilot.

And this, precisely, is what the four hijacker pilots who could not fly a Cessna around an airport by themselves are alleged to have accomplished in multi-ton, high-speed commercial jets on 9/11.

For a person not conversant with the practical complexities of pilotage, a modern flight simulator could present a terribly confusing and disorienting experience. These complex training devices are not even remotely similar to the video games one sees in amusement arcades, or even the software versions available for home computers.

In order to operate a modern flight simulator with any level of skill, one has to not only be a decent pilot to begin with, but also a skilled instrument-rated one to boot — and be thoroughly familiar with the actual aircraft type the simulator represents, since the cockpit layouts vary between aircraft.

The only flight domains where an arcade/PC-type game would even begin to approach the degree of visual realism of a modern professional flight simulator would be during the take-off and landing phases. During these phases, of course, one clearly sees the bright runway lights stretched out ahead, and even peripherally sees images of buildings, etc. moving past. Take-offs—even landings, to a certain degree—are relatively “easy”, because the pilot has visual reference cues that exist “outside” the cockpit.

But once you’ve rotated, climbed out, and reached cruising altitude in a simulator (or real airplane), and find yourself en route to some distant destination (using sophisticated electronic navigation techniques), the situation changes drastically: the pilot loses virtually all external visual reference cues, and is left entirely at the mercy of an array of complex flight and navigation instruments to provide situational cues (altitude, heading, speed, attitude, etc.)

In the case of a Boeing 757 or 767, the pilot would be faced with an EFIS (Electronic Flight Instrumentation System) panel comprised of six large multi-mode LCDs interspersed with clusters of assorted “hard” instruments. These displays process the raw aircraft system and flight data into an integrated picture of the aircraft situation, position and progress, not only in horizontal and vertical dimensions, but also with regard to time and speed as well. When flying “blind”, I.e., with no ground reference cues, it takes a highly skilled pilot to interpret, and then apply, this data intelligently. If one cannot translate this information quickly, precisely and accurately (and it takes an instrument-rated pilot to do so), one would have ZERO SITUATIONAL AWARENESS. I.e., the pilot wouldn’t have a clue where s/he was in relation to the earth. Flight under such conditions is referred to as “IFR”, or Instrument Flight Rules.

And IFR Rule #1: Never take your eyes off your instruments, because that’s all you have!

The corollary to Rule #1: If you can’t read the instruments in a quick, smooth, disciplined, scan, you’re as good as dead. Accident records from around the world are replete with reports of any number of good pilots — I.e., professional instrument-rated pilots — who ‘bought the farm’ because they ‘lost it’ while flying in IFR conditions.

Let me place this in the context of the 9/11 hijacker-pilots. These men were repeatedly deemed incompetent to solo a simple Cessna-172 — an elementary exercise that involves flying this little trainer once around the patch on a sunny day. A student’s first solo flight involves a simple circuit: take-off, followed by four gentle left turns ending with a landing back on the runway. This is as basic as flying can possibly get.

Not one of the hijackers was deemed fit to perform this most elementary exercise by himself.

In fact, here’s what their flight instructors had to say about the aptitude of these budding aviators:

Mohammed Atta: “His attention span was zero.”

http://www.willthomas.net/911/911_Commission_Hearing.htm

Khalid Al-Mihdhar: “We didn’t kick him out, but he didn’t live up to our standards.”

http://100777.com/node/237

Marwan Al-Shehhi: “He was dropped because of his limited English and incompetence at the controls.”

http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/9-11/9-11_hijackers_still_alive.htm

Salem Al-Hazmi: “We advised him to quit after two lessons.”

http://www.willthomas.net/Books_Videos/911_Investigations_Stand_Down.htm

Hani Hanjour: “His English was horrible, and his mechanical skills were even worse. It was like he had hardly even ever driven a car. I’m still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon. He could not fly at all.”

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hanjour.html

Now let’s take a look at American Airlines Flight 77. Passenger/hijacker Hani Hanjour presumably rises from his seat midway through the flight, viciously fights his way into the cockpit with his cohorts, overpowers Captain Charles F. Burlingame and First Officer David Charlebois, and somehow manages to toss them out of the cockpit (for starters, very difficult to achieve in a cramped environment without inadvertently impacting the yoke and thereby disengaging the autopilot). One would correctly presume that this would present considerable difficulties to a little chap with a box cutter—Burlingame was a tough, burly, ex-Vietnam F4 fighter jock who had flown over 100 combat missions. Every pilot who knows him says that rather than politely hand over the controls, Burlingame would have instantly rolled the plane on its back so that Hanjour would have broken his neck when he hit the floor. But let’s ignore this almost natural reaction expected of a fighter pilot and proceed with this charade.

Imagine that Hanjour overpowers the flight deck crew, removes them from the cockpit and takes his position in the captain’s seat. The weather reports say it was fairly clear, so let’s say Hanjour experienced a perfect CAVU day (Ceiling And Visibility Unlimited). If Hanjour looked straight ahead through the windshield, or off to his left at the ground, at best he would see, 35,000 feet — 7 miles — below him, a murky brownish-grey-green landscape, virtually devoid of any significant surface detail, while the aircraft he was now piloting was moving along, almost imperceptibly and in eerie silence, at around 500 MPH (about 750 feet every second).

In a real-world scenario, with this kind of “situational NON-awareness”, Hanjour might as well have been flying over Argentina, Russia, or Japan—he wouldn’t have had a clue as to where, precisely, he was.

After a few seconds (at 750 ft/sec), Hanjour would figure out there’s little point in looking outside—there’s nothing there to give him any real visual cues. For a man who had previously wrestled with little Cessnas, following freeways and railroad tracks (and always in the comforting presence of an instructor), this would have been a strange, eerily unsettling environment indeed.

Seeing nothing outside, Mr. Hanjour would be forced to divert his attention to his instrument panel, where he’d be faced with a bewildering array of instruments—nothing like he had seen in a Cessna 172. He would then have to very quickly interpret his heading, ground track, altitude, and airspeed information on the displays before he could even figure out where in the world he was, much less where the Pentagon was located in relation to his position.

After all, before he can crash into a target, he has to first find the target.

It is very difficult to explain this scenario, of an utter lack of ground reference, to non-pilots; but let it suffice to say that for these incompetent hijacker non-pilots to even consider grappling with such a daunting task would have been utterly overwhelming. They wouldn’t have known where to begin.

But, for the sake of discussion let’s stretch things beyond all plausibility and say that Hanjour—whose flight instructor claimed “couldn’t fly at all”—somehow managed to figure out their exact position on the American landscape in relation to their intended target as they traversed the earth at a speed five times faster than they had ever flown by themselves before.

Once he had determined exactly where he was, he would need to figure out where the Pentagon was located in relation to his rapidly-changing position. He would then need to plot a course to his target (one he cannot see with his eyes—remember, our ace is flying solely on instruments).

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The Hijackers Part 2


In order to perform this bit of electronic navigation, he would have to be very familiar with IFR procedures. None of these fellows even knew what a navigational chart looked like, much less how to how to plug information into flight management computers (FMC) and engage LNAV (lateral navigation automated mode). If one is to believe the official story, all of this was supposedly accomplished by raw student pilots while flying blind at 500 MPH over unfamiliar (and practically invisible) terrain, using complex methodologies and employing sophisticated instruments.

To get around this little problem, the official storyline suggests these men manually flew their aircraft to their respective targets (NB: This still wouldn’t relieve them of the burden of navigation). But let’s assume Hanjour disengaged the autopilot and auto-throttle and hand-flew the aircraft to its intended—and invisible—target on instruments alone until such time as he could get a visual fix. This would have necessitated him to fly back across West Virginia and Virginia to Washington DC. (This portion of Flight 77’s flight path cannot be corroborated by any radar evidence that exists, because the aircraft is said to have suddenly disappeared from radar screens over Ohio.)

According to FAA radar controllers, “Flight 77” then suddenly pops up over Washington DC and executes an incredibly precise diving turn at a rate of 360 degrees/minute while descending at 3,500 ft/min, at the end of which “Hanjour” allegedly levels out at ground level. Oh, I almost forgot: He also had the presence of mind to turn off the transponder in the middle of this incredibly difficult maneuver (one of his instructors later commented the hapless fellow couldn’t have spelt the word if his life depended on it).

The maneuver was in fact so precisely executed that the air traffic controllers at Dulles refused to believe the blip on their screen was a commercial airliner. Danielle O’Brian, one of the air traffic controllers at Dulles who reported seeing the aircraft at 9:25 said, “The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane.” (http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=4084)

And then, all of a sudden we have magic. Voila! Hanjour finds the Pentagon sitting squarely in his sights right before him.

But even that wasn’t good enough for this fanatic Muslim kamikaze pilot. You see, he found that his “missile” was heading towards one of the most densely populated wings of the Pentagon—and one occupied by top military brass, including the Secretary of Defense, Rumsfeld. Presumably in order to save these men’s lives, he then executes a sweeping 270-degree turn and approaches the building from the opposite direction and aligns himself with the only wing of the Pentagon that was virtually uninhabited due to extensive renovations that were underway (there were some 120 civilians construction workers in that wing who were killed; their work included blast-proofing the outside wall of that wing).

I shan’t get into the aerodynamic impossibility of flying a large commercial jetliner 20 feet above the ground at over 400 MPH. A discussion on ground effect energy, vortex compression, downwash reaction, wake turbulence, and jetblast effects are beyond the scope of this article. Indeed, the 100,000-lb jetblast alone would have blown entire semi-trucks off the roads this massive aircraft is alleged to have flown over at extremely low altitude. The DVD, “Loose Change – 1st Edition” (http://www.loosechange911.com) contains an excellent clip of trucks being swept off the end of a runway when a jetliner powers up for take-off.

Let it suffice to say that it is physically impossible to fly a 200,000-lb airliner 20 feet above the ground at 400 MPH.

The author, a pilot and aeronautical engineer, challenges any pilot in the world to do so in any large high-speed aircraft that has a relatively low wing-loading (such as a commercial jet). I.e., to fly the craft at 400 MPH, 20 feet above ground in a flat trajectory over a distance of one mile.

Why the stipulation of 20 feet and a mile? There were several street light poles located up to a mile away from the Pentagon that were snapped-off by the incoming aircraft; this suggests a low, flat trajectory during the final pre-impact approach phase. Further, it is known that the craft impacted the Pentagon’s ground floor. For purposes of reference: If a 757 were placed on the ground on its engine nacelles (I.e., gear retracted as in flight profile), its nose would be about fifteen feet above the ground. Ergo, for the aircraft to impact the ground floor of the Pentagon, Hanjour would have needed to have flown in with the engines buried in the Pentagon lawn. Some pilot.

At any rate, why is such ultra-low-level flight aerodynamically impossible? Because the reactive force of the hugely powerful downwash sheet, coupled with the compressibility effects of the tip vortices, simply will not allow the aircraft to get any lower to the ground than approximately one half the distance of its wingspan—until speed is drastically reduced, which, of course, is what happens during normal landings.

In other words, if this were a Boeing 757 as reported, the plane could not have been flown below about 60 feet above ground at 400 MPH. (Such a maneuver is entirely within the performance envelope of aircraft with high wing-loadings, such as ground-attack fighters, the B1-B bomber, and Cruise missiles—and the Global Hawk.)

The very same challenges mentioned above would have faced the pilots who flew the two 767s into the Twin Towers, in that they, too, would have had to have first found their targets. Again, these chaps, too, miraculously found themselves spot on course. And again, their “final approach” maneuvers at over 500 MPH are simply far too incredible to have been executed by pilots who could not solo basic training aircraft.

The author recently received a letter from a senior 757 captain currently flying with one of the airlines involved in 9/11. It contains the following statement:

“Regarding your comments on flight simulators, several of my colleagues and I have tried to simulate the ‘hijacker’s’ final approach maneuvers into the towers on our company 767 simulator. We tried repeated tight, steeply banked 180 turns at 500 mph followed by a fast rollout and lineup with a tall building. More than two-thirds of those who attempted the maneuver failed to make a ‘hit’. How these rookies who couldn’t fly a trainer pulled this off is beyond comprehension.”

CONCLUSION

The writers of the official storyline expect us to believe, that once the flight deck crews had been overpowered, and the hijackers “took control” of the various aircraft, their intended targets suddenly popped up in their windshields as they would have in some arcade game, and all that these fellows would have had to do was simply aim their airplanes at the buildings and fly into them. Most people who have been exposed only to the official storyline have never been on the flight deck of an airliner at altitude and looked at the outside world; if they had, they’d realize the absurdity of this kind of reasoning.

If they weren't at the airports on Sept 11 2001, they couldn't have hijacked the planes. There is exactly zero time and date stamped security images of any of the 19 at any of the 3 airports the 4 planes departed from. This despite each airport having hundreds of cameras covering every area. The absolute "best" you can find is 5 of the 19 at Dulles. This video has no time and date stamps. It is also supposed to be just after 7 am in September when the sun will just be rising yet there is bright sunlight visible behind them. It still leaves 14 unaccounted for. So they were either invisible or could teleport, at least that's what the official conspiracy theory requires you to believe to accept it.

In reality, a clueless non-pilot would encounter almost insurmountable difficulties in attempting to navigate and fly a 200,000-lb airliner into a building located on the ground, 7 miles below and hundreds of miles away and out of sight, and in an unknown direction, while flying at over 500 MPH — and all this under extremely stressful circumstances.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Also, this is a decent in depth investigatory blog on 9/11 worth reading which has been scrubbed by google:

Todd Beamer's Odd Phone Call and the Silent Crash of Flight 93:

https://shoestring911.blogspot.com/2007/10/todd-beamers-odd-phone-call-and-silent.html

And the FBI's 'TwinBomb' investigation, yup, the FBI actually referenced bombing the twin towers. What did they find? Hundreds of Mossad agents.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

United 93 received 18 ACARS uplinks after alleged Shanksville crash: CONFIRMED


http://911woodybox.blogspot.com/2012/10/united-93-received-18-acars-uplinks.html

This article is long and detailed, but it's well worth reading! It may take a few reads to get through. It did for me. I'll provide a summary of key points.

In order to rule out a plane-swap scenario, the three data sets of RADES radar data (the radar tracks of the flights), air traffic control records, and ACARS (ground-to-air data) should perfectly agree with one another. However, they do not agree. The United Airlines ACARS print-outs strongly indicate that the addressed plane in question was still airborne long after its alleged crash.

The same case for United 175. This evidence supports the plane-swap hypothesis – a sort of 21st century "Operation Northwoods". The ACARS data states that the addressed plane "N591UA" (the registration # of United 93) was in the vicinity of Champaign, Indiana at 10:11 a.m.

Three common objections to the ACARS data are:

  • The plane did not acknowledge the messages because it did not receive them (Stutt's objection, which is dealt with in the article).

  • The ground station printed in the ACARS print-out reflects the pre-planned flight route. This is an unproven, and quite frankly, nonsensical claim.

  • Crashed airliners are capable of receiving ground-station uplinks. This was actually stated as fact by a popular debunker, "Oystein", on JREF forums.

These three objections contradict the known functions of the ACARS protocol set. The "ARINC 618 Air-Ground-Protocol" document is the authoritative source on the ACARS downlink routines, and no indication is offered in the document that:

  • planes which do not acknowledge ACARS messages have not received them (This claim ignores a common problem with plain CSMA algorithm in ACARS protocol). If we assume that the messages weren't acknowledged because "N591UA" crashed (i.e. out of radio contact), the ARINC file would not contain UBLKS post-10:03, and the system would return an IPCUL 231 NO STATION TO response.

  • airlines can manually select which ground-station to send an ACARS uplink from (to the contrary, the selection process is hard-wired and automatic)

  • crashed planes can receive messages (the notion is absurd)

Crucial to our argument is that a crashed plane cannot perform link tests (or "handshakes") with a ground station. Why? Because, as "Woody Box" states:

Each Telex transmission (like ACARS is based on) is initiated by a so-called handshake: a synchronization process between sender and receiver to enable and optimize the transmission of the actual message. This requires an exchange of data between sender and receiver before dispatching the message.

Obviously, a crashed, defunct plane can't exchange data with another party.

This seems implied in the Boeing Avionics manual:

Upon receiving a message, the DSP (ground system) "handshakes" with the aircraft Communications Management function according to the ACARS air-ground protocol.

The significance of the 18 post-10:03 uplinks is that, as the author states:

[a] sent ULBLK (uplink) implies a successful handshake; a successful handshake implies a good VHF connection; a good VHF connection implies that the plane is within line-of sight or at least almost line-of sight of the ground station; and a line-of-sight condition implies that the plane is airborne (exception: the plane is grounded at the airport where the sender is sited – but this was not the case for United 93 at 10:11).

TL;DR: United 93 / N591UA was still airborne after 10:06 a.m. (I put 10:06 because of the debate over a 10:03 /10:06 crash-time).

"Woody Box" also proposes a plausible solution for the failed acknowledgement of the 18 post-10:03 uplinks. In short, it's likely due to the plain-CSMA algorithm which was in use on September 11th, and the "hidden transmitter" problem which corrupts the subsequent downlinks from the aircraft. He speculates that "N591UA" was flying at a low altitude, hence the hidden transmitters in its flight path. I speculate further that it was preparing to land, as IPCUL 231 NO STATION TO are reported after 10:14 a.m. The blog author states that "231" was reported because the output buffer was empty.

"Woody Box" is an excellent researcher. He pretty much single-handedly offered us strong evidence for an Operation Northwoods-like scenario, from a mere couple dozen posts on his blog.

Yet, I do think his analysis of the ACARS data flow's partly incorrect. IPCUL 231 is an immediate rejection (i.e. failed hand-shake), not IPCUL 311. The fact that it appeared so soon after the last 311 error (see message No. 20) seems to me that the plane was no longer airborne, otherwise the hand-shake would succeed (unless it were out of radio contact in-air, in which case a new station would've been selected.) He even states himself that 311 is only sent after 9 unacknowledged uplinks.

Woody Box provides an example of American 11 receiving UBLKs while idling at the airport, so it's possible that United 93 had landed somewhere by 10:12, and disabled CMU by 10:14. That's how I would explain the "231" errors, anyhow. But upon re-reading the last few paragraphs, I think he and I are on the same page.

When paired with this article from another researcher, which examines the ACARS uplink sent to United 175 at 9:51, it's in my view among the best evidence that 9/11 was indeed a false flag, and indirect evidence that drones were used in the attacks. My thinking goes like this:

Planes still airborne past their supposed crash times → Flights were duplicated → (Indirect) Drones struck the Towers and Pentagon → only a State has the resources to co-ordinate an operation with that implied level of complexity and complicity (elements within NORAD, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the national security state in general...etc.) → 9/11 was a false flag.

http://911acars.blogspot.com/2012/03/ed-ballinger-and-uplink-sent-to-united.html

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

9/11 commission report?

Everyone knows the Ommission Report was bunk.

Citing corruption makes everything you say corrupt.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Everyone knows the Ommission Report was bunk.

I think you might be mistaken about that.

Citing corruption makes everything you say corrupt.

Saying that everything that doesn't align with the conspiracy is part of the conspiracy, is how you end up with literally everything as part of the conspiracy.

Apply occam's razor. There were thousands or people involved in the information gathering for that report. If you think that they all lied, and no one has said so yet, you need your plausibility detector calibrated.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

literally everything as part of the conspiracy.

Until you recognize FULL SPECTRUM DOMINANCE you won't ever understand.

Every single government and corporation of ever industry bows before the banksters and ultimately the B.I.S. Bank of International Settlements which is above all laws (and are into child sacrifices). Everything supports this much simpler concept of power than random chaos and coincidence theory.

Also FYI, "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" is a concept promoted by the evil-doers to throw you off track.

You need to understand Cecil Rhodes and his rings within rings to control the world. You don't need thousands, you just need the right ones in control.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Cecil+Rhodes+circles+in+circles

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Every single government and corporation of ever industry bows before the banksters and ultimately the B.I.S. Bank of International Settlements which is above all laws (and are into child sacrifices).

... no, mate. That was the ancient Aztecs ...

Easy mistake to make, but the BIS an international financial institution, owned by its membership of 63 central banks. The Aztecs used to sacrifice children to Tlāloc in the Great Pyramid of Tenochtitlan. 500 to 800 years ago.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Funny.

Try learning something about the top of the tyrannical Zionist globalist hierarchy:
https://DuckDuckGo.com/?q=Bank+Of+International+Settlements+human+sacrifice

Their boot-shaped building is ominous.

"If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." ~ George Orwell

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

No Arab had anything to do with 9/11 except for pre-fabricated hijacker narratives by Zionist Jew media.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Zionists, Wahhabists, and NeoCons are all bedfellows.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

No. They're not.

In particular Wahhabists are antagonistic to the other two.

[–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

You are not convincing

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

That's the "official narrative" political theater limited perspective. If you were authentically in search of the truth, any scratch of the surface will reveal how full of bullshit that story is.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What if I was authentically in search of the truth, but also sane?

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

What if I was authentically in search of the truth, but also sane?

Then search for your truths without the dismissive backhands.

Pejoratives and insults indicate you aren't truth-seeking but here to sow chaos via perpetual nay-saying.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (19 children)

Securing the realm doc shows that Zionists actually want to destroy Saydi Arabia, eventually. Mossad and Zionist Jews and neocons did 9/11, period. Not one muslim hijacked planes or demolished any building. That was Zionist Jews who did that.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Securing the realm doc shows that Zionists actually want to destroy Saydi Arabia, eventually.

Plausibly. And vice-versa probably. But they've both got more current problems to work through.

Hence why its difficult to believe they got so many Saudis to give their lives for the ... zionist ... cause.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

They didn't. The hijackers were fake. A sham. A contrived pre-fabricated narrative.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

[–]turtlebam 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Some of the reddit pages are not online, we really need to start saving the info offline to be able to re-post it. I think it's safe to assume reddit will delete any important truth material.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Is there any kind of web-scrape archival system you know of?

Perhaps we should /s/AskSaidIt for recommendations and such regarding the /s/Cassy evolution beyond the limits of SaidIt.

Even if the archive platform was not decentralized, I would imagine that it could archive other archives, and/or might be able to zip and torrent for better distribution.

cc /u/LarrySwinger2, /u/Optimus85, /u/d3rr

[–]turtlebam 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Would be very interested in the topic if you make a post.

I do not know what system will work best and could survive any real data purge. I am not well versed on the topic but I think just an old fashioned way of focusing on one or a few subjects one is really interested in; condensing that information in PDF or saving the videos/audio that really matter and keeping them on local drives that are not connected to the internet are best.

I think it must go beyond simply saving and archiving everything, you need to organize all the data you have once you want to really use it, say in 10 years (supposing the current system continues), you want to inform someone about something. You will have to use the language of the day to get the message across. I only save what is important for particular subjects I know are important.

I wouldn't be surprised if a point is reached where they automatically delete the files they do not like remotely (especially on windows 10) Any online system is compromised, AI is getting better and the internet is getting faster everyday.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed.

This search engine seems ideal, but would be perfect with web-scrape and archiving and sharing over IPFS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YaCy

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

There's a ton of options out there. I'm not too familiar with any of them, but:

https://github.com/iipc/awesome-web-archiving

https://archivebox.io/

[–]LarrySwinger2Voluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Actually, those are outlinks to Blogspot and they return 404 because they're encoded. You can decode them with tools like this one. You can just copy/paste the part that comes after "url=". It returns the real links:

https://shoestring911.blogspot.com/2007/10/todd-beamers-odd-phone-call-and-silent.html

http://911woodybox.blogspot.com/2012/10/united-93-received-18-acars-uplinks.html

cc /u/JasonCarswell

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

For lose meanings of "true".

So, those photos and videos of the second plane as it struck the tower ... that wasn't a plane, it was merely a drone, clad to look excatly like the plane, and kept at the airport, with the knowledge of air traffic control?

And manufactured as a one-off from an factory somewhere controlled by Zonists?

Is that the gist?

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

Yes, a passenger jet drone. So, not a drone in the sense of a small predator drone, but a passenger jet transfixed with remote control. They were able to do this back in the 70's and can do it now. This is probably what happened taken into account the drills and ArcGIS data. Yes. As for where they came from, or what happened after that fact, we do not know. We do know, hoever, that UA93 was flying well after it 'crashed.'

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Yes, a passenger jet drone. So, not a drone in the sense of a small predator drone, but a passenger jet transfixed with remote control.

This remote control system is bolted on to an existing plane as a retrofit?

1) Who made this system?
* Was it a prototype?
2) Where was it fitted?
* What plane was it fitted to?
3) Where are there other examples of this system?

They were able to do this back in the 70's and can do it now.

Okay, show me who is selling and fitting these systems. Or even who has tested one. On a Boeing 767. Ever.

Yes. As for where they came from, or what happened after that fact, we do not know.

Well, having established that it exists, surely you can trace where it came from.

We do know, hoever, that UA93 was flying well after it 'crashed.'

Again. Link me to this data by which we "know" this.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

I just sent you the arcGis data. And the post explains in detail about it. I don't have all the answers but UA93 was flying that day after the alleged crash.

What we do know is what I posted in detail to you with sources. Read the long posts I commented to you, there you'll find and can read the data.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

You can play the skeptic forever, but instead of questioning Jesus (who knows his shit) about endless details why don't you do some research yourself?

We will never get all the answers simply because (((they))) control most of the information.

IMO, it's better to look at the big picture, the motives, who gains, and if they have a history of perpetual compulsive manipulation, deception, and lies.

Once you realize that "authority" (government, experts, media, corporations, banks, etc) are all liars and part of the globalist's effort for full spectrum dominance and enslavement of all of humanity, then it all makes much more sense.

[–]turtlebam 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Jesus knows what he is talking about. Most entertaining video on this subject: https://www.bitchute.com/video/xgT4RuWP2YL0/

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (56 children)

The HIJACKINGS DID NOT HAPPEN. The planes were switched via drones. Search ARCGIS data points on this. They followed the operation Northwoods script. Flight 175 wasn't even suppose to depart until te night time. The whole thing was an intel op and the hijackings were the scam.

David Ray Griffin, empirestrikesback blogspot, Graeme MacQueen get into these theories.

[–]RightousBob 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

You are arguing with a paid shill. SN and AN are shill accounts run by the same org. From the looks of this exchange that org. might be JDIF.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks. How do you know? I might just block them and focus on posting what I like to post and going from there.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Ignore and minimally negate them on occasion but avoid the block feature. It's a shit function.

Mark all your "friends" and their names will be red instead of blue. That helps.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (52 children)

The HIJACKINGS DID NOT HAPPEN.

Yeah. They did. The planes were hijacked. It's why you're not allowed a box-cutter on a plane now, remember?

The planes were switched via drones.

Switched for what?

Search ARCGIS data points on this.

I find my google results to be more pro-scientific, because of my evidence based search history. Why don't you assume I won't find any evidence for your tenuous conspiracy theory, and link me to your best evidence yourself?

They followed the operation Northwoods script.

They assassinated Cuban immigrants, sunk boats of Cuban refugees, shot down hijacking planes, blew up a U.S. ship, and/or orchestrated violent terrorism in U.S. cities?

No they didn't. They flew some planes into some buildings.

Flight 175 wasn't even suppose to depart until te night time.

Flight 175 was scheduled to depart at 08:00 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_175#Boarding

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Okay, keep shilling the official Zionist Straussian myth of 9/11 shabbos goy by sourcing Zionist owned wikipedia and the Zionist controlled commission report. Israel thanks you.

Here's the true info on the flights and 9/11:

https://old.reddit.com/r/911truth/comments/mvwbu9/claircomatt_phone_records_for_flight_11_77_prove/

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Well if someone posted it to reddit, it must be true.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Shill Screw off. There are primary sources there. I'm done wasting my time with someone who parrots Trump.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

Remember, the official flight paths are based off RADES 84 and FAA radar data. Researchers like "Woody Box" have uncovered that the FAA was tracking the drone flights (not on purpose) while the airlines were tracking the real registered aircraft. So, the official flight paths are the paths the drones took. There's no need for them to land somewhere and substitute with the real plane. The drones and real aircraft each took off from the same airports, respectively (except possibly for Flight 11), just at different times. e.g. United 175 and drone "United 175" both took off from Logan International, and United 93 and "United 93" both took off from Newark International. The real, registered aircraft were flying under different flight numbers, however. The live-fly hijack exercises and war games on 9/11, including the insertion of false blips, planes turning off their transponders, etc. allowed the conspirators to trick FAA controllers into believing that planes were hijacked. For example, United 175 actually took off at 8:23 under the call sign "United 177", which was later reported hijacked by regional manager Marcus Arroyo at 9:25 a.m. The real United 177 was only scheduled to depart in the evening of September 11th, but airline officials later claimed that the plane was held at the gate, which is of course not believable, because passengers wouldn't board that flight until the evening. What I think happened was that the plane flying as "United 177" turned off its transponder and merged with another track before crossing into the next sector and becoming "Delta 89" at 9:27. To the controller working "United 177", it probably looked like the flight had dropped off radar, and someone up the chain reported this as a hijack – the report making its way to Arroyo, and this was unusually quick, because Flight 11's controller didn't realize that it was hijacked for about 10 minutes, and the decision loop around that aircraft moved much slower. The aircraft was doing this as part of a sanctioned live-fly hijack drill ran by NORAD, and it enabled the 9/11 attacks to occur. The strongest evidence for drones being used, are IMO the ACARS messages from UAL dispatchers to the hijacked United flights. There were 18 ACARS uplinks received by United 93 after 10:03 (the official crash time). A crashed plane cannot receive uplinks from a ground station, because it wouldn't be able to perform the preceding "handshake", which is a synchronization process between sender and receiver to enable and optimize the transmission of the actual message. The researcher "Woody Box" explains: [a] sent ULBLK (uplink) implies a successful handshake; a successful handshake implies a good VHF connection; a good VHF connection implies that the plane is within line-of sight or at least almost line-of sight of the ground station; and a line-of-sight condition implies that the plane is airborne (exception: the plane is grounded at the airport where the sender is located – but this was not the case for United 93 at 10:11). As to why the aircraft stopped receiving ACARS uplinks after 10:12, nine minutes after its supposed downing in Shanksville – perhaps the aircraft had landed somewhere by then (given the plane's low altitude at that point, as suggested by David Knerr in his FBI interview) and the pilot pulled the circuit breaker. The ACARS messages to UA 93 show that it was in the vicinity of Champaign, Illinois ("GL CMI" in print-out) at 10:10, 7 minutes after its alleged crash. Interestingly, there are two airports near Champaign, Illinois: Willard Airport (operated by University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign), and Frasca Field, a small, privately-owned airport that is public access. However, I'm not a pilot guy at all, but it seems Frasca's two runways are too short (at 4000') to accommodate a landing 757-200, which I understand needs at least 8000' of runway even for low landing weights. Now if these planes were upgraded with these cell transponders, would this illustrate that maybe the planes followed the Northwoods script? Scenario #8 in Northwoods was definitely an inspiration for how the attacks unfolded. My thinking goes like this: Planes still airborne past their supposed crash times → Flights were duplicated → (Indirect) Drones struck the Towers and Pentagon → only a State has the resources to co-ordinate an operation with that implied level of complexity and complicity (elements within NORAD, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the national security state in general...etc.) → 9/11 was a false flag.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

What killed the passengers and crew of the real planes?

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

A great amount of the crew happened to be intel agents or connected with high up intelligence officials. Someone did a probability of this and you had a better chance of being struck by lighting two times over. Also, it was likely they were flown under different numbers and the point I'm making is that flight data shows that they were flying well after UA93 allegedly crashed into that field and buried itself and after the two planes hit the facades of the towers.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

A great amount of the crew happened to be intel agents or connected with high up intelligence officials.

How many is this "great amount"?

What was the names of these, and what was the connection with which "high-up intelligence officials" in each case?

And which ones were "intel" agents?

How do you know that they were intel agents?

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

You are a timesuck.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Who knows if thry even were Killed or were ghosted by a drone and under a different tail number. The point I'm making is the planes were still in Flight and nowhere near where the drones were.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The point I'm making is the planes were still in Flight and nowhere near where the drones were.

As you know, flights paths are all recorded.

Why don't you link me to the recorded location of those flights at the time they were striking the buildings, because I'm having serious problems believing what you're saying.

You claim that there are drones large enough to look like a plane. Show me an example of one on the ground or for sale.

You claim that they can be flown around amongst aircraft, so either air traffic control knows about them, or would be investigating them for violating ATC spaces. Show me when those drones landed at the airport you claim they took off from, according to air traffic control records.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

They'll never come clean about it so we'll never know.

Maybe after they admit that the Holocaust is a HUGE exaggeration, then they'll admit they orchestrated 9/11.

Don't hold your breath. Or better yet, do.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

They'll never come clean about it so we'll never know.

And the fact that they died when the plane that they were in hit the building is not as plausible as someone is keeping them hidden somewhere for purposes that somehow advance Zionists' agenda?

Maybe after they admit that the Holocaust is a HUGE exaggeration

There were a lot of bodies found. How HUGE an exaggeration are we talking here?

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

And the fact that they died when the plane that they were in hit the building is not as plausible as someone is keeping them hidden somewhere for purposes that somehow advance Zionists' agenda?

You don't know that. Proof?

There were a lot of bodies found. How HUGE an exaggeration are we talking here?

The magical made up number of 6 million existed long before WWII in the 1800s. 6 million people would literally have been impossible to gas and/or burn - especially in a war with shortages of fuel and food that also impacted the German guards and soldiers. The "death camps" were actually slave labour camps and almost 200,000 people (Jews, other races, communists, socialists, anarchists, pacifists, artists, etc) died of natural causes, typhoid, starvation, and probably some abuse or murders here or there. That's the well documented number.

There are countless other inconsistencies, exaggerations, and outright lies surrounding the Holocaust that become glaringly obvious if you can get past the fear of being labeled an "anti-Semite" for just looking into it.

Watch "Spinning Squirrel" on BitChute for more. Don't talk to me until after you do.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (34 children)

Zionist Jews thank you for your belief in their Straussian myth. Again, read Ellias Davidsson, David Ray Griffin, everyone of hos books, and Graeme MacQueen who effectively shows that the consoirators had a pre-fabricated script in place to blame the anthrax attacks on the Saudis, white supremacists, Al Qeada and Iraq. It's funny that the Jew Donald Kagan only a day after 9/11 mentioned that Al Qeada wheeled Anthrax and could use it on American citizens. Of course, MacQueen proves that it wasn't muslims but inteligence assets possibly linked to Mossad who did these attacks as well as 9/11. Not some stupid muslims who couldn't even fly single cesa engine planes.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (33 children)

On ya, mate.

who effectively shows that the consoirators had a pre-fabricated script in place to blame the anthrax attacks on the Saudis, white supremacists, Al Qeada and Iraq.

Not sure what his evidence was, nor how white supremacists and Iraq are on the same side of any conflict. But 9/11 wasn't an anthrax attack. There were some hijacked planes that were flown into buildings.

Not some stupid muslims who couldn't even fly single cesa engine planes.

The hijackers were known by:

1) Passengers and crew aboard the flights provided information about the hijackers while the hijacking was in progress.

and

2) From luggage and effects left behind, or, in one case, that didn't make the connecting flight.

Their identities isn't a guess. And the majority of them were Saudis.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (31 children)

You are so far behind in the details I cannot help you.

Again, PICK UP THE BOOK about the Anthrax attacks by Graeme MacQueen. The Anthrax attacks were directly linked to the 9/11 attacks and simulated HIJACKERS, which were pre-fabricated and pre-written into the script but were scrapped when neocons and other perps nearly outed themselves. Read the damn book.

THERE WAS NO HIJACKINGS period.

Other than possibly switching the transponder in midair but this doesn't account for the ghosting of Flight 177, which proves, the opposite. That drones were used.

Now screw off shill and go blame 9/11 on muslims somewhere else. I know who did 9/11 and it wasn't your dumb Saudi script that Zionist Haredi mafia Trump likes to bring up.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (30 children)

THERE WAS NO HIJACKINGS period.

Yeah there was. People on the flights identified that hijackers, and then the planes were flown into buildings.

Other than possibly switching the transponder in midair but this doesn't account for the ghosting of Flight 177, which proves, the opposite. That drones were used.

And these drones that look exactly like older planes, are manufactured where? Can you show me some examples of other drones from this factory? Or where the factory is?

Or are you saying that they were a bespoke 3D printing job, that looked really really good?

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (29 children)

People on the flights identified that hijackers, and then the planes were flown into buildings.

They're all allegedly dead and unverified. Even during the recordings (perhaps pre-recorded), some warned that it's a hoax. Further, there's conflicting stories about what actually took place on those planes.

that look exactly like older planes

Actually there's a lot of controversy about their appearance as they do NOT look exactly like the planes they're supposed to represent, including the paint jobs and bulge on the bottom.

You are being argumentative for the sake of it. Why not leave this forum and go back where you came from?

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You're repeating "official narrative" propaganda nonsense.

You would do well to learn from Jesus.

Fuck the religious shit but he's precisely on target for everything else.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

my google results

LOL.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

🙄

[–]Sendnoodles 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Literally anti-Zionists

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Nope Zionist Jews did 9/11. Rabbi Dov Zakhiem passemger jet drones flown into beacons. All Zionist Jews were involved in 9/11. The hijacker narrative was to follow the securing realm document but the oil oligarch bush family didn't want to go that route so they and the neocons made a compromise. They both would use 9/11 as pretext for their own agendas but make no mistake about it, PNACERS and Mossad did 9/11.

[–]Tarrock 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

11 out of 11 of Bidens nominees for big offices were all jewish. The leadership of all media companies is overwhelmingly jewish. Banking, CEOs, federal reserve, all jewish. Biden's grandkids all married jewish. We have several members in congress with dual citizenship with Israel, yet somehow we keep giving them billions in foreign aid for no reason. You have Lindsey Graham holding up "More for Israel" signs and Pelosi stating that if the capital burned down, she'd still give Israel money. Israel openly pours hundreds of millions into US elections through AIPAC, yet we complain about 120k in Russian facebook ads.

But yeah. White supremacy is the problem.

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

No, not white supremacy but muslim jihadists is supposedly the problem according to Zionist owned gatewaypundit.

[–]RedEyedWarriorIndependent 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

White supremacy and Islamic extremism are just two drops in the ocean compared to Zionism.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

^

[–]RedEyedWarriorIndependent 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Reading your paragraph has reinforced my belief that dual citizenship shouldn’t exist, and that there should be no government involvement whatsoever in foreign aid. And notice that Biden and Pelosi are Democrats, while Graham is a Republican? Yeah, political parties don’t matter in the grand scheme of things.

[–]Jesus 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

It is illegal under the constitution.

[–]RedEyedWarriorIndependent 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Unfortunately, the constitution is only as strong as the people it represents. For as long as most Americans don’t know or don’t care, Congress, the White House and the Deep State will continue to violate the constitution.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Constitution is an in company document. It tepresents incorporated Persons under US corp jurisdiction. The great thing about it is that it actually doesn't imply to you if you don't contract with US corp and you get all your GOD GIVEN RIGHTS under supernaturalism as opposed to Judeo-Masonic naturalism.

[–]Brewdabier 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

In the last two years how much property damage has white supremacy groups caused any US city ?, and how much much property damage has BLM caused in the last two years. I read somewhere George Floyd Riots Caused Record-Setting $2 Billion in Damage so why has Bided not pointed out that fact.

[–]RedEyedWarriorIndependent 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

Because BLM and Antifa are the foot soldiers of the establishment Biden is a part of.

[–]StillLessons 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Video that relates to this:

https://worldstar.com/video.php?v=wshhP44uRUJyVXQ3T7g2

Combine this interview with the photos of Biden and Harris kneeling to BLM and his comments on The Breakfast Club - "You ain't black" - you get a picture of the most thoroughly racist, egomanical, narcissistic, psychopathic grifters ever put into high office. Biden/Harris is the face of evil, no question about it (though certainly not the only ones; the list of characters at Satan's ball would require more than the stadium space of the current globe).

Our current establishment is Sodom/Gomorrah level corrupt. The corresponding natural response is going to be tragically proportional.

[–]RedEyedWarriorIndependent 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Biden also defended Antifa, protesting that "it’s just an idea!" Well, I guess that antizionism is also just an idea too, eh Joe? He also authored the crime bill that disproportionately affected black Americans, so all of his virtue signalling for the black American community is cynical pandering.

America is looking a lot like Weimar Germany right now.

[–]One_Jack_MoveLibertarian Party 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I see the elite are switching bogymen from Terrorism to the more vogue, White Supremacy.
Whatever.

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Zionist owned disinfo site gatewaypundit scapegoats muslims to protect Jewish supremacy and Zionism.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

^

Most Muslims are as decent as most Christians. The extremist Muslim sect of Wahhabists are all from Saudi Arabia, ally of the US and Israel.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Saudi Arabia is sort of an ally of Israel when they need them to pit against Iran but the Securing the Realm doc shows that Israel eventually wants to destroy Saudi Arabia.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. They want their prophecized Greater Israel triangle. I'm positive the Sauds know this.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Though as a Christian I disagree with Islam and the thousands of years plundering and pillaging, though we can say the same for all leaders using religion as a land grab, every Muslim i have met has been very nice, honest and decent.

[–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Ding

[–]hennaojichan 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

What a joker.

[–]RightousBob 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

Biden is stuttering, mumbling, senile, pedophilic, career criminal.He and his incestuous and degenerate family are beyond detestable.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Just as bad as Trump but more senile.

[–]Airbus320 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

We need a goy friendly leader, lets elect jason

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

They would assassinate me before my Counter Minarchist Skeptics Movement got any momentum. (Counter-MSM) At least I'd be put out of my misery. Sure, select me, but I might be tempted by truckloads of worthless cash and stupid teenagers.

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (19 children)

It's not absurd. That's what the department of homeland security have been saying for the past few years.

Ideologically motivated lone offenders and small groups pose the most likely terrorist threat to the Homeland, with Domestic Violent Extremists presenting the most persistent and lethal threat.

and

Among DVEs, racially and ethnically motivated violent extremists—specifically white supremacist extremists (WSEs)—will remain the most persistent and lethal threat in the Homeland.

Homeland Threat Assessment, U.S. Department of Homeland Security, October 2020

[–]Jesus 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

DHS is controlled by Zionist Jews.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Nevertheless, the number of incidents of white supremacy terrorism outnumbers other sources of terrorism in the USA.

Biden is correct to focus on it as the most important terrorism risk.

[–]somewherenear 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

That is ridiculous. Raccoons kill more people per year in America than White supremacists. Those stats also almost always start after 9/11.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

2019: El Paso shooting - 23 dead.
2017: Charlottesville attack, Stabbing of Timothy Caughman - 2 dead.
2015: Charleston church shooting - 9 dead.

Raccoons aren't as aggressive as white supremacists, unless they're rabid.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

El Paso shooting was a DHS PsyOp to pass a hundred million dollar bond on the ballot for a new police and fire department. Fuck El Paso Corp.

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Most of these terror attacks are psyops and DHS capstone drills passed off as real.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

... Big claim ...

Do you have any evidence of this?

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

All saved locally, yes. But most of it is scrubbed. 153news.net users have info on these events but the entire site has been infiltrated by disinformation agents.

Also, if you search Las Vegas shooting and my name in search results or on duckduckgo such as 'Las Vegas Jesus site:saidit.net' you can read an amazing detailed investigatory report on the shooting which proves that the entire event was a capstone drill.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

All saved locally, yes.

So that's a "no" with respect to being able to show me the evidence.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Depends what you consider terrorism.

All governments are the worst terrorists, closely followed by banks and media.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Depends what you consider terrorism.

The use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

All governments are the worst terrorists, closely followed by banks and media.

What terrorist acts have been committed by the government of Norway?

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

This was a staged event that certainly had inside organization:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks

Any support or international participation in NATO or the United Nations' "peace keeping".

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Breivik did those attacks. He's not the government.

Peacekeeping isn't terrorism.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

You don't understand what a false flag is. The story falls to pieces upon actual investigation.

If you blow up a building the glass blows outward. If a truck blows up beside the building the glass will blow inward. Their "official" story, as always, is FULL OF LIES.

Among the best is is Ole Dammegård's coverage.
https://DuckDuckGo.com/?q=Ole+Dammagard+Norway+attack

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You don't understand what a false flag is.

I do. Breivik's own writings and confession are pretty clear though.

If you blow up a building the glass blows outward.

Plausibly, the majority of it. But that doesn't affect Breivik's own writings and confession.

Their "official" story, as always, is FULL OF LIES.

Anomaly hunting is a fun exercise for the whole family. But it doesn't establish a false flag. To do that you need to find the evidence of the false flag, not have some questions about the dynamics of shattering glass.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The glass is an obvious piece of evidence.

If it's a psyop why would you trust the official narrative? Do you even know about the multiple shooters?

Do some research on it. Don't go to mainstream corporate sources who are limited hangouts and proven liars. Find MANY independent sources from different perspectives to triangulate in on your own truths.

If you don't even look you'll never see the truth and just be repeating lies. You have to look to see the obvious. Not all psyops are this obvious though. This is an easy one.

[–]jamesK_3rd 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

To root out the Jedi, the chancellor had to use the clones.

The clones were a legitimate and necessary army. Order 66 was a necessary tactic.

Luckily, the chancellor had studies done to prep for such events, and the white papers that scientists and the clone army produced justified the necessity of order 66. And when the Jedi attempted to assassinate the chancellor, he had no choice but to hunt them down, root and branch... Order 66 style. And the galaxy was finally at peace after..

[–]dissidentrhetoric 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

His jewish communists controllers want him to say that

[–]RedEyedWarriorIndependent 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Of course Biden is going to say that. The Deep State supports ISIS and Al Qaeda, by giving billions of dollars a year to a small country in the Middle East that funds these aforementioned terrorist organisations. White supremacist organisations are of no use to the deep state, except as a way to poison the well of the opposition to the deep state; to make people think that if you don’t support the deep state, then you’re a white supremacist. It works on light-switch brains, and on people who don’t have the time to look beyond what the television is telling them.

If Biden was an honest person, he’d admit that Zionism is the biggest present threat, and that Israel is America’s greatest enemy. But if Biden was an honest person, he wouldn’t be anywhere near federal politics, let alone in the White House.

[–]blowininthewind 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (38 children)

perhaps i'm playing a sorta devil's advocate here: if you look at history he's got a point.

edit: so some ppl clearly can't distinguish a real human being from current level machine-generated text. for this purpose i created a project that generates text and do low-frequency posting on saidit: https://saidit.net/s/technology/comments/7yb2/saidit_chat_bot/

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (37 children)

You're confusing white supremacy for Zionist supremacy.

[–]blowininthewind 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (36 children)

explain zionist supermacy cause it doesn't produce a wikipedia page.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

explain zionist supermacy cause it doesn't produce a wikipedia page.

I can't tell if you're serious or joking.

" To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize. " ~ misattributed to Voltaire

Wikipedia is utterly compromised. It's a good starting point for the "official narrative" on anything, but if you seek deeper information you won't find it there, especially on politically sensitive content.

There are more Christian Zionists than there are Jewish Zionists, but Jews dominate the top levels of Zionism - so it's both a Jewish issue and not a Jewish issue. Also important to note, most Jews are normal folks like anyone else, mostly brainwashed sheeple playing the roles they are given, often as "victims under the white male patriarchy".

Without exception, all centers of power are dominated by Zionists: banks, media, governments, military, energy, transportation, food, industry, resources, etc.

The Five Eyes deep state surveillance network over all English speaking countries (and I suspect the world) includes: Australia, Canada, New Zealand, United Kingdom, and the United States - as well as Israel.

Similarly, Israel claims to be the victim while stomping on Palestine. Their victim card is transparent and the facade is crumbling. Zionists use the larger Jewish population as human shields, claiming that if you hate Zionism you are anti-Semitic. Meanwhile Palestinians are also Semitic people that we're trying to help.

Nearly everyone in our governments and in "mainstream" corporate media is a bought Zionist - as are all the "experts" on everything from science to education to the environment.

[–]blowininthewind 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

i'm not joing, the term 'white supermacy' produces a wikipedia page while the term 'zionist supermacy' does not.

i think the whole idea of placing modern israel where it is comes from the british divide and conquer idea. at the start of the last century, seeing that the arab world is revolutionizing, britain knows that it cannot make it stable in the future. (british upper class colonizers, not lawrence of arabia which people loved to this day) and it is very possible that stalin does not want to see a unified middle east either because he knows that america might very well control there. so he supported the state of israel too. now that's the start of the century. i did not study that much as to why america supported the state of israel over the rest of the middle east, but i would imagine it's for a very similar reason. at the surface it would look more zionist than usual because american leaders share the judeo-christian faith with israelie ones. yet this could also be explained as a fundamental flaw from the arabic society, that tribes are what people listen to and fight for, not nations. i call this a flaw because this way of organizing a people fails to compete with modern states on all sides, be it economics, military, or culture. the arab springs and other movements has deep roots in this problematic way of organizing society, that as long as a beduin is killing a howietat for revenge, the arabs will, well, not be a big people, a smart people, as lawrence of arabia famously remarked in the movie.

the state of israel still stands today partly due to its rather advanced civilization compared to its neighbours, partly due to the great sense of danger among the jewish population rising from the holocaust. but it had the chance to survive because the plans of the bigger nations to keep the arab world from unifying and stopping their rival's world domination plans.

as to the zionists dominating the world, well i do not think so. otherwise they'd at least do a better job at controlling covid. any dominating power wants a stable society. just look at how safe it is to walk the streets in authoritarian governments. because there's no mobsters there. and they certainly would not allow virus to harass their people, whom they can always profit from. so that's the picture of a world under some kidna domination. and that's not the picture of the west as you have claimed.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Regarding Stalin, do you know much about the Red Mafiya and Ashkenazi Jewish influence in Russia? I know some about these but not where they overlap, as it seems obvious there must have been some great or small interactions though history.

judeo-christian faith

Manufactured nonsense for social engineered tolerance and consent.

israel still stands today partly due to its rather advanced civilization compared to its neighbours

Yes but no. Dominant forces have meddled, infiltrated, manipulated, exploited, oppressed, and murdered millions. Disaster capitalism creates chaos to rebuild with rigged systems. Everywhere. This is not new.

Pretending for a moment that 6 million Jews actually died among the 75 million killed in WWII, why doesn't anyone care about the rest? Shouldn't there be more new "homelands" and such for those who suffered?

do a better job at controlling covid.

COVID is another false narrative to oppress people. Quarantine the sick and weak and the rest is obviously tyranny for their Great Reset, New Normal, and vaccine passport in service of their depopulation and slave state /s/Agenda21_Agenda2030.

just look at how safe it is to walk the streets in authoritarian governments. because there's no mobsters there.

ALL politicians are mobsters.

and they certainly would not allow virus to harass their people, whom they can always profit from.

1) You can't be certain of this at all.

2) The perpetual sickcare system is exceptionally profitable and powerful.

cc /u/Jesus

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I believe Mullins wrote a decent book on this sickcare you speak of.

Murder by Injection: The Medical Conspiracy Against America by Eusatce Mullins... though, I believe Mullins became controlled and was likely a Fed at some point in time.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Sounds interesting.

I used a "Sickcare" as a substitute term for the rigged and allopathic medicine and perpetual profitable big pharma "healthcare".

[–]blowininthewind 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

i'd agree that all politicians are mobsters. but note that the best mobsters are quite civilized when they make money. it's the lower level mobsters that do the dirty work.

russia suffered the greatest loss in world war 2, the second is china, but the holocaust is remembered, along with the rape of nanking, because they're not warfare. if warfare is white and ethnic cleansing is black, a lot of world war 2 is grey. but those two events are completely black: trained and armed soldiers against virtually defenseless civilians. nanking put up a very fierce fight using what was the best of the chinese military at the time, so in a way the japanese were letting out their anger. but holocaust is planned from beginning to the very end, however malicious its adversary (jewish people) might be, they're virtually defenseless.

history is full of coincidences, not planned actions. in the long run, nearly all plans fail, and nearly all coincidences happen to shape the course of history. external conditions (geography, climate, etc.) have much more effect on history than plans. to say history can be planned by a few plotting in the dark is to say command economy is effective ---- since a few can plan history by themselves, why don't half a dozen socialist nations produce a single good command economy?

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

it's the lower level mobsters that do the dirty work.

Agreed.

if warfare is white and ethnic cleansing is black, a lot of world war 2 is grey.

Excellent analogy (aside from potential racial misinterpretations).

but holocaust is planned from beginning to the very end, however malicious its adversary (jewish people) might be, they're virtually defenseless.

If you buy the official narrative. Climate change was my hardest red pill to swallow. The second hardest was looking at Holocaust skepticism, but once you realize it's a huge exaggeration you can't unsee that. Here's a long documentary that presents many of the best arguments to remain skeptical: https://www.bitchute.com/video/4oXNuZIaYFVt/

history is full of coincidences, not planned actions.

No. It's full of both coincidences and conspiracies.

in the long run, nearly all plans fail, and nearly all coincidences happen to shape the course of history.

Broad baseless generality nonsense.

a few plotting in the dark

Why bother in the dark when they can do it in the open with government, deep state, secret agencies, NGOs, councils, groups, commissions, think tanks, militaries, etc, while feeding everyone misinformation on the media they monopolize and control?

why don't half a dozen socialist nations produce a single good command economy?

I don't understand this question. Which nations? What do you mean by "socialist"? The term means many things these days. And what do you mean by "produce a single good command economy?"

Furthermore, what does it have to do with conspiracies, Russians, and Zionists? I'm not saying it's not all connected on many levels but this has gone from specific to widely abstract and moot.

[–]blowininthewind 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

i don't think holocaust is a huge exaggeration, in that the allies have no need to exaggerate it at its discovery in '45. the allies knew from world war 1 that it's best to heal the wounds than tear your opponent apart, as france did to germany in the inter-war period. hence the marshal plan, the democratic germany PM's kneeling, the EU, etc. under this narrative it'd be best for the allies to downplay the holocaust. i think the fifties is a moment when good miraculously won over the evil.

as to our different view on history, here's what i think: vietnam turned capitalist, russia turned capitalist, the brilliant cccp scientists failed to produce a good computer that lasted til this day, americans and the west produced the backbone of the brand new computer industry by freely roaming around, really. china turned capitalist, cuba is now opening up. on the other side look at iran, north korea. all the balkan states are capitalist now. seriously the only social democracies that is genuinely good are all in northern europe.

oftentimes history is like: i planned this, then that happened, so the entire thing becomes another, totally unexpected thing. why? because history runs in parallel. a million things are happening simultaneously and you never know which ten of them is going to determine the main course of the future.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

i don't think holocaust is a huge exaggeration

Because you haven't skeptically researched it. Once you start it all becomes very clear very quickly.

in that the allies have no need to exaggerate it at its discovery in '45

Nonsense. You're sadly mistaken if you think the war was over then. The next few years saw half a million Germans executed, Nazis and civilians alike. https://saidit.net/search?q=Hellstorm Check this out, watch the Spinning Squirrel documentary I linked you previously and read this: https://infogalactic.com/info/Truther_Top_20_Counter_Points_To_The_Official_Holocaust_Story Then debate me.

It wasn't "discovered". Concentration slave camps were well known on both sides. There were no death camps. That's an exaggeration and myth that was developed post-war. ALL of Europe was in a fuel and food and typhoid crisis, along with the war. That is why you see the piles of hundreds of corpses (not millions).

The Holocaust didn't pick up mainstream propaganda attention until the 1970s. Why wait so long?

the allies

Were the victors and liars about the German underdogs led by a maniac. All government is evil. German citizens did not deserve their fate, nor did the rest of Europe and Russia, nor the rest of the world. WWI and WWII and the Balfour Declaration were all planned in the 1800s while Queen Victoria was a reclusive junkie and her son Edward was actually an effective and brilliant tyrant.

The Dresden firebombing was war crime against humanity, as were the atom bombs, and many other events of WWII. No one was punished. Of course the victors get to write history as they see fit to justify their sins and everyone else's narrative gets demonized.

i think the fifties is a moment when good miraculously won over the evil.

Nonsense. The focus of the ruling class and their evil schemes simply shifted and grew over a world suffering in post-war trauma. Wars for Korea and Vietnam were planned well in advance.

as to our different view on history

I agree. The commies have become more capitalist and the capitalists have become more communist. The result: everyone is more totalitarian (a fusion of the two) and the lockdown has exponentially accelerated the globalists totalitarian tyranny. Northern Europe seems nice from afar but I also know they are not exempt from corruption or tyranny.

oftentimes history is like: i planned this, then that happened, so the entire thing becomes another, totally unexpected thing.

Not unexpected. It's the Hegelian dialectic: thesis, antithesis, synthesis or problem, reaction, solution. If I'm a politician and want more control I let shit slide until the people demand I take more action to clamp down with more power. No one else in the world runs a scam like the government: fail harder to get an increase in pay and power.

a million things are happening simultaneously and you never know which ten of them is going to determine the main course of the future.

Yes but no. A million things are not equally important. Government is both very slow to react AND very fast. If you want something processed quickly or slowly it ultimately depends on who is driving it. The powers that should not be may be slower to respond to a natural organic authentic social movement but when they do they have all the force of the mainstream and usually come with more than enough preparation to get even the stupidest corrupt concepts pushed into the common consciousness, by brute force if necessary. This includes myths about WWII victims.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

as to the zionists dominating the world, well i do not think so. otherwise they'd at least do a better job at controlling covid. any dominating power wants a stable society. just look at how safe it is to walk the streets in authoritarian governments. because there's no mobsters there. and they certainly would not allow virus to harass their people, whom they can always profit from. so that's the picture of a world under some kidna domination. and that's not the picture of the west as you have claimed.

Zionist Jew's dominate the Vaccine revolution and COVID two-edged sword narrative.

any dominating power wants a stable society.

Not a dominating power that uses other nations as its host to steal funds and weapons for it's international agenda.

judeo-christian faith

Today's Jews are the Pharisees and they all reject Christ...

just look at how safe it is to walk the streets in authoritarian governments. because there's no mobsters there.

I cannot even....

[–]blowininthewind 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

israel did have the highest vaccination rate quite early on in the vaccination process. 10%, the highest in the world, i recall.

the stable society thing should have a 'domestic' attached to it, agree. that's what i meant originally. as to foreign societies, well, it varies by ideology.

i have a feeling that israel and the west moves together. look at turkey over the last century, how much it strives to westernize and how many times the west arrogantly rejected the turks. israel? no problem, we'd provide everything.

mafia only survive in anarchy, democracy, and a dying authoritarian government. that's politics 101 stuff.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes, Israel... the light unto the nations. Most of the vaccines Israeli Jews recieved were saline.

[–]blowininthewind 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

well how would you know that, right? opinions get together to form more opinions, then they eventually form groups, like stars from gas clouds. but if they're not rooted in facts, they'll stray further and further away from reality and eventually become ineffective, gets thrown away by the future.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

[–]blowininthewind 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (18 children)

aaron schwartz did an experiment a long time ago and wrote an article called 'who writes wikipedia?' in which he points out that there's an inner circle of wikipedia users, a couple hundred people, formatting and re-organizing all the articles on it, making well over half the edits on the entire site. yet the bulk of information is contributed by the masses, he concludes.

i've seen conservative wikipedia somewhere. i forgot where. but if you could provide a source that'd be great.

also, in the future, please have constructive conversations that are based on facts, not opinions.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

Are you a bot? Something about your rhetoric gives me that impression. I don't care about Conservative wiki or whatever you are gibbering about; wikipedia and most sites are owned by Zionists. Read books.

[–]blowininthewind 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

no, i know how gpt works, along with textgan, bert, etc. used to make money doing that, offering people 'advice' (i feel bad but it's money) when it's really just generated text. if you doubt me, i can make a bot that does low-frequency chatting on saidit, and post the link to you. now, the reason you know that i'm not is because my speech varies too much to be classified as that. these language models generate text based on previous text generated in the short task, which gives the text a very connected feeling.

if you don't care, others will. many cared about aaron's cause, for example. but to me you cannot even define the term 'Zionist supremacy' to me. a political movement must have words backing it up. so furthermore i don't think whatever that's related to 'Zionist supremacy' would succeed because not much thought have been put into it.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Dude, you're 100% a bot. I can tell. /u/Jasoncarswell

Your writing style is not human like.

But nevertheless, Zionism is a corporate ideology initialised at the Zionist Basel "eugenics" congresses funded by over 900 multi-national foreign corporations to commercialise Palestine via foreged documents and later by the bomb and sword. Zionism isn't a belief... it is a shitty sub-franchise McDonalds centered on resources and money and it just so happens Jews become the center pieces in this scam that they don't see that the universalist Jews eventually be scapegoated. Nevertheless, Zionism is also fueled by false biblical and secular nationalistic zealotry and Supremacist orthodox Judaism which pretends to be anti-Zionist but then asks for government welfare and security. The Jewish establishemnt in the US funds 95% of Zionist causes that is FOREIGN TO US interests.

[–]blowininthewind 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

sure, i'd spend some free time to make a saidit bot then. here's the project link: https://github.com/simin75simin/saiditchatbot i've wanted to do this kinda thing for a long time, machine speech is not good.

if you're a reader and not a commenter be sure to check out my libgen mass book downloading project: https://github.com/simin75simin/libgencrawl

lol.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Neat tools. See also: /s/SaidItBots

You interested in helping us branch out the SaidIt community out?

We're not only trying to raise decentralized platforms and forums, build bridges between them, and also to archive and distribute web-scrapes of all the shared content.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I don't know about bot, but their comments do drift off focus. Some people have half a conversation in their head and forget to lay down breadcrumbs for everyone else follow their train of thought, much less have a point.

which gives the text a very connected feeling

Bot or not, that's not what I feel.

Zionism is a corporate ideology...

That was okay (not great) for me, but it certainly wasn't your best if your definition was meant to connect and educate the normie sheeple.

Next Saturday at our weekly local Windsor Ontario lockdown protests I'm finally going to say a few words about Agenda 2030 to give many there a wider contextual understanding to explain the chaos and why we really need prepare, organize, and resist. I'll be avoiding the "Zionist problem" this time around. Not quite sure how to summarize it in just a couple minutes. Off hand do you know of anything short I can just read off?

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Ahhh, anything by Alice McDowell, Corey Morningstar, TheWrongKindofGreen blog and the Art of Annihilation blog is a start. They put out wonderful detailed work on where we are heading.

[–]blowininthewind 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

go join a cult and stop using that name plz.

along with Jasoncarswell, you guys are obsessive. my hands are numb typing up replies even though i code for a living.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

among the jewish population rising from the holocaust. but it had the chance to survive because the plans of the bigger nations to keep the arab world from unifying and stopping their rival's world domination plans. --BlowintheeindZionist

Hmmmm

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

which gives the text a very connected feeling

Bot or not, that's not what I feel.

but to me you cannot even define the term 'Zionist supremacy' to me.

So far as I saw, he nor I attempted to define it yet, so to say we cannot is premature. All we've shown is how compromised Wikipedia is, and that was just a surface scratch. It's rotten to the core.

a political movement must have words backing it up.

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

Obviously you're oblivious to the real power that we're not allowed to openly speak of without suffering censorship on all the major platforms.

[–]blowininthewind 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

dude, chill. if you're interested in this kinda stuff, maybe i'd use ray and delegate a part of the compute for training onto your machine. otherwise, mind your own biz, i'm sure it's not politics lol.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Zionist supremacy and the corporatocracy are the greatest threats to humanity.

"dude, chill." is not an adequate defense of Zionism nor any kind of respectful discussion.

Just because you don't understand it because it's not in the mainstream media that they control, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

My biz is resisting tyranny.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

making well over half the edits on the entire site. yet the bulk of information is contributed by the masses, he concludes.

Ya, but no.

The majority of the edits were tiny, from punctuation to grammar tweaks to adding a citation here and there. Meanwhile, the bulk of the article bodies were written by people who made only a few big contributions rather than hundreds or thousands of tiny one like the "core" editors/janitors.

Fact: Conservapedia, Metapedia, and InfoGalactic, among others, all exist.

please have constructive conversations that are based on facts

LOL.

[–]blowininthewind 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

fucking chill already. i'm just a layperson who think about these things a lot and have some ideas about where things might go from here.

aaron became aaron because he wrote a lot of useful code, made a lot of real effort to change the world. from a very early age he excelled at both of these, and thus people made a documentary about him, the internet's own son. so when he's thirty years old, some of his programs became standards of the internet, and some of his ideas became congressional bills (SOPA, i think, look at his wikipedia page, or .gov page if you don't trust wikipedia).

if you really want to mold the world by your will, earn some serious money, write some really nice code, develop neat pieces of technology. then you have a real say in this world. because you can give your money away and become a part of an interest group or you can use your technology to gain productivity at scale.

humanity 101: we value productivity. whomever provides we respect.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I am chill. No matter how many times you claim I'm not won't change that.

the internet's own son.

They glossed over some of his human minor flaws but it was an excellent documentary.

Aaron was against SOPA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz#Opposition_to_the_Stop_Online_Piracy_Act_(SOPA) You seem to be able to recall things but invert them.

earn some serious money

That's only possible if you sell out and support the establishment.

write some really nice code, develop neat pieces of technology.

We're trying to develop decentralized alternative platforms for truth-seekers (/s/Cassy, /s/PhoenixForum). I'm not I.T. so I can only try to help organize and manage and host instances.

then you have a real say in this world.

Or - on those instances (when they actually come online), as a 30+year professional animator and director I will be developing, managing, producing, and publishing counter-propaganda.

humanity 101: we value productivity. whomever provides we respect.

Great slogan!

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yep. Saved. Thanks.

[–]C3P0 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Not absurd to claim that because that is the thought in the general public of this moment.