Do you think that Al-Qaeda really did 9/11?

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I was thinking about this because of the recent anniversary of Israel intentionally destroying the USS Liberty. I have heard many explanations for 9/11.

Explanation 1) Al-Qaeda really did 9/11 attacks with planes.

Explanation 2) Bush and capitalists faked 9/11 to invade Middle East for oil and capitalistic purposes (I think this is what commies mostly believe in)

Explanation 3) Zionists did 9/11 to destroy Muslim nations and help protect Israel

Explanation 4) Bush government faked 9/11 to take away civil liberties and promote big government

I believe that al-Qaeda and Bin Laden were 100% and legitimately responsible for 9/11 plane attacks, but ISRAEL KNEW WHERE AND WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. This is proven with Dancing Israelis. Other than Dancing Israelis, it is proven that other people like Ahmad Shah Massoud knew that a large terrorist attack was going to happen somewhere in America. I think Mossad found out it would be in NYC, but didn't warn America because it would obviously help Israel in long run. They were right.

I used to think Zionists did 9/11, but my HS history teacher changed my mind. He loved conspiracies, but 9/11 was one of the ones he claimed is legit because Osama confessed and explained his motives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motives_for_the_September_11_attacks

Osama literally blamed American support of Israel and American troops crossing Mecca during the Gulf War as massive motives. I find that it all makes sense.

What do others think?

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[–]TheJamesRocket 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

The invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq were part of the Project for the New American Century. The NeoCons wanted to increase Americas presence in the Middle East, pacifying the region for the long term security of Israel. The War on Terror would also serve as a convenient excuse for them to crack down on civil liberties.

The September 11th attacks were false flags, planned and executed by the Bush administration with the help of Mossad. A strong case can be made that the Twin Towers and WTC 7 were controlled demolitions. Flights 11 and 175 that hit the WTCs were probably drones, based on the KC 767 tanker. Flight 93 that hit the Pentagon was probably a drone.

[–]8thmonitor[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Yeah I completely agree with 1st part.

What about Osama's confession? He explained his reasons. That's why I don't think Bush faked 9/11.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

When did Bin Laden confess?

[–]8thmonitor[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

In his Letter to America and some tapes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motives_for_the_September_11_attacks

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Do we know that he actually confessed in these tapesand this isnt some faked/repurposed footage?

Its not like we ever got to see his body either, since they allegedly threw it in the ocean

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't find these confessions all that compelling. It's possible that

  1. Osama is/was an American-Israeli asset and this is part of the theater

  2. Osama was held captive at a US black site and this confession was coerced

  3. It's fake. The footage is low quality. This would be too easy.

  4. Osama was taking credit for something he didn't do

  5. Infinite more explanations

[–]8thmonitor[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Don't the reasons make sense? It specifically mentioned Israel and US troops in Mecca/Medina. I would be doubtful if Israel motive was missing, but it is specifically mentioned.

I never heard al-Qaeda or Taliban claim it is fake. al-Qaeda continued with more terrorist attacks like Bali Bombings and Madrid Bombings with the same reasoning.

[–]Zapped 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

"We" being the public? There were some good reasons for dumping it into the ocean once we got the DNA evidence. Get rid of it fast so as to not have something physical or even pictures to get Al-Qaeda riled up. Also, it was said that he had plastic surgery done to try to disguise his appearance.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Youd think they'd document as much as possible to dissuade any naysayers though

[–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There are photos and DNA evidence, but again, releasing that could create more fervor amongst those on the other side.

[–]AlphixNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Come on. They got the guy, and suddenly they were afraid of them? That doesn't sound much like the U.S. military.

[–]Zapped 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Who was Commander-In-Chief when Osama Bin Laden was killed? He and his administration was running the U.S. military and making those decisions.

[–]AlphixNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Oh yeah, they were terrified of Al-Qaeda, but now that we're ONLY dealing with Russia and thousands of nukes, some on hypersonic missiles, it's no problem poking THAT harmless bear.

Come on, Zapped. You can do better.

[–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Strategy, my dude. Weigh the cost and benefits.

[–]TheJamesRocket 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What about Osama's confession? He explained his reasons. That's why I don't think Bush faked 9/11.

On September 16, 2001, Bin Laden issued a statement through Al Jazeera denying responsibility for the 9/11 attacks. He stated: “The US government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it. I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons.”

On October 7, 2001, Bin Laden recorded a video where he again denied responsibility for the 9/11 attacks. The statement was broadcast by Al Jazeera, and picked up by television stations around the world.

 

The videos where Bin Laden 'confessed' to the 9/11 attacks went public in November 2001 and October 2004. Both videos show obvious signs of being faked. The person impersonating Bin Laden does not closely resemble him in appearance.

[–]8thmonitor[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What the fuck? Wow. My mind is fucking blown. It's weird my history teacher never mentioned this. It is also weird that none of the 9/11 truth videos mentioned this.

So the Letter to America and other confessions are just more Mossad BS? Thanks for letting me know.

What obvious signs of fake Bin Laden do you mean?

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Flight 93 that hit the Pentagon was probably a drone.

Flight 93 did not hit the Pentagon. American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Flight 93 crashed in a field near Stonycreek Township, PA. Google Operation Northwoods.

This video explains the Iraq War better than anything else.

[–]oligarchracy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Flights 11 and 175 that hit the WTCs were probably drones, based on the KC 767 tanker. Flight 93 that hit the Pentagon was probably a drone.

There were passengers on those planes that called and talked to people about hijackers taking over the plane, as well as cockpit radio communications. What you are proposing is a conspiracy that was extremely risky to pull off without being detected and would have involved too many people. Much more likely that they simply either recruited and facilitated unwitting Muslim extremists to carry out the attacks, or more likely simply detected such an attack in the works and actively prevented efforts to uncover and stop it.

[–]TheJamesRocket 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

There were passengers on those planes that called and talked to people about hijackers taking over the plane

The problem is that you can't make cell phone calls from an aircraft above a certain altitude. A. K. Dewdney performed experiments to determine what cell phone reception was like from both single and twin engine aircraft. He determined that there was a ceiling above which no cell phone calls could connect, which he estimated at about 1000 feet for a twin engine aircraft.

If the cell phone calls were impossible, then they weren't made from aircraft: They were made from the ground, by people pretending to be passengers on the hijacked planes.

What you are proposing is a conspiracy that was extremely risky to pull off without being detected and would have involved too many people.

Executing a false flag attack is risky, sure, but the payoff for the conspirators was huge. The NeoCons would get a blank cheque to do whatever they wanted on the world stage. They decided to gamble, and it worked. As for total cognizant conspirators, most people overestimate the amount of aware contributors needed and underestimate the ease of using bureaucratic structures where people just do their small, specific job robotically.

Much more likely that they simply either recruited and facilitated unwitting Muslim extremists to carry out the attacks

The problem is, this doesn't explain how the Twin Towers or WTC 7 collapsed the way they did. It doesn't explain why there was molten steel in the ruins of ground zero. It doesn't explain how Flight 175 was able to exceed its maximum airspeed by over 150 knots and remain controllable, or to pull off such a precise hit on a relatively small target.

[–]AlphixNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Also, flying big planes into buildings is NOT easy! None of the alleged people involved seemed to have the expertise to pull that off. You don't fly an airliner like you fly a cessna.

[–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wonder why cell phones wouldn't reach over 1000 feet high. 30 years ago, I was 15 miles off the coast in a small boat and was able to use my cell phone.

[–]oligarchracy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The problem is that you can't make cell phone calls from an aircraft above a certain altitude. A. K. Dewdney performed experiments to determine what cell phone reception was like from both single and twin engine aircraft. He determined that there was a ceiling above which no cell phone calls could connect, which he estimated at about 1000 feet for a twin engine aircraft.

If this was true, that it is literally impossible for the passengers to have made those cell phone calls(or airphone calls that someone mistakenly described as cell phone calls), and basically the entire planet was told they made these calls, wouldn't it be inevitable that countless qualified people would point this out, rather than one dude named A. K. Dewdney? I mean there are at least tens of thousands of people on the planet who would already have the knowledge required to know whether the calls were possible, and millions more who are smart and educated enough to find out. But nope. Nobody thought to look into it until AK Dewdney(whoever that is) did some "experiments".

If the cell phone calls were impossible, then they weren't made from aircraft: They were made from the ground, by people pretending to be passengers on the hijacked planes.

How do you recruit numerous voice actors that can flawlessly imitate someone else, and have them successfully talk to those people's closest relatives and associates, and fool them all? What about the actual cockpit radio communications? What happened to the passengers themselves? How many people had to be involved with kidnapping and disposing of them? It just gets worse and worse the more you logically delve into a lot of these more elaborate 9/11 conspiracy theories, which unfortunately were devastating to the search for actual truth and is why the neocons/Israelis/bush admin were able to avoid scrutiny for their many questionable and dubious actions leading up to the attacks. Those legit questions were buried under a mountain of stupid implausible conspiracy bullshit.

[–]TheJamesRocket 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If this was true, that it is literally impossible for the passengers to have made those cell phone calls(or airphone calls that someone mistakenly described as cell phone calls), and basically the entire planet was told they made these calls, wouldn't it be inevitable that countless qualified people would point this out

There were communications experts who pointed this out, but they only did so on an individual basis. Hundreds of people individually pointing out the impossibility of cell phone calls from altitude has very little collective effect. Their voices get buried under the mountain of people uncritically repeating the official story. Out of those hundreds of communications experts, they might on average make a few comments online (or to people in real life) pointing out the difficultys involved, before they cease to speak anymore on the matter. Besides, without actual experiments to prove this matter definitively, they could not be absolutely sure about how impossible it was.

Nobody thought to look into it until AK Dewdney(whoever that is) did some "experiments".

If you are curious about his experiments with cell phone calls from various types of aircraft, you can read more in this link. Project Achilles: Low Altitude Cellphone Experiments.

How do you recruit numerous voice actors that can flawlessly imitate someone else, and have them successfully talk to those people's closest relatives and associates, and fool them all?

You don't. You tap the phones of the future hijacking victims, record samples of their voices, and then use voice morphing technology to replicate their voices. This technology was successfully demonstrated in 1999, enabling its user to impersonate Colin Powell.

What about the actual cockpit radio communications?

The voices of the hijackers communicating by radio could have been pre-recorded, or made by live actors. The radio messages themselves could have been transmitted by either the hijacked planes, or the drone aircraft they were swapped with.

What happened to the passengers themselves? How many people had to be involved with kidnapping and disposing of them?

It is not clear whether all of the passengers on the planes were innocent victims. There were Mossad agents onboard Flight 11, for instance. At any rate, the passengers did not meet their fates by crashing into the Twin Towers or the Pentagon: That was the work of drone aircraft. The Boeing 767 aircraft which they departed on were swapped in mid-air by KC 767 tankers (prototypes). Drone swap was the same method proposed in Operation Northwoods. If the maneuver is pulled off precisely, it can even fool the radars of air traffic control.

It just gets worse and worse the more you logically delve into a lot of these more elaborate 9/11 conspiracy theories

9/11 conspiracy theorys may sound implausible on their face. But the official story of 9/11 is downright impossible in many aspects. And as Arthur Conan Doyle said: ''When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.''

[–]zyxzevn🚚🚚🚚🚚🚚🚚🚚🚚🚚🚚 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Copied my reply from your other post. Also see /s/911truth/

The 3 WTC buildings feel near to free fall, into their own footprint. That only happens with controlled demolition, due to physics. Link to study And physics teacher explains how they fell link

The weird thing is that the remains of the planes showed components that belong to military versions of the planes. They are able to fly faster and are more maneuverable, which was also recorded. link to video showing evidence. There were also simulations of hijackings going on in parallel. link

Now back to the motives.. what about an insane amount of money?
We can learn that the only department hit in the Pentagon was ... the administration. The plane did a very acrobatic maneuver to exactly hit that place. The Pentagon lost track of over 3.1 Trillion dollars, mentioned just days before 9/11. link to evidence and discussion
Later it was found that 21 Trillion dollars lost would be more accurate. Prof Skidmore, who investigated this problem, stated that even one dollar difference should be reported. link Where did all this money go to? We will never know now, because all the administration was destroyed.

Researchers actually discovered which people are clearly responsible. Conspiracy solved

[–]8thmonitor[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So you mean it was just for money? What about Israeli involvement? I think 9/11 was mostly for geopolitical reasons rather than financial.

[–]zyxzevn🚚🚚🚚🚚🚚🚚🚚🚚🚚🚚 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think that the missing of trillions of money are a clear indication of a crime at 9/11. Psychopaths are easily convinced by money.

Starting wars or killing people can easily be done in many other ways. But those are also important motives. The push for wars really started after the Anthrax attacks by the US own intelligence.

The Israeli involvement was so in the open, that I think it was more a distraction from the Pentagon's own involvement. There are very evil people in the government and in the CIA, many without any Israel/jewish connection.

[–]oligarchracy 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I agree the dancing Israelis are pretty much a smoking gun that Israel was either directly involved or knew the details of the attack beforehand. There just isn't any real innocent explanation for their actions, and we know for a fact they were mossad agents. That they were released and never questioned again and this was immediately buried in the media and memory holed is also further proof of how much power the Israelis and the zionist diaspora have over the US government and media.

Whether the Israelis directly had a role in the attack is harder to say. I don't believe the nonsense about drones or cruise missiles, and I doubt explosive charges were used to bring down the twin towers. There were clearly planes hijacked and flown into buildings and it has been sufficiently explained how the towers collapsed(WTC 7 is still suspicious though and it's possible that was greed and brazen chutzpah on the part of Larry Silverstein who wanted to collect on the massive amount of insurance money after being forewarned in some way of an impending attack).

The question to me is whether the hijackers and Al Queda were unwitting stoodges funded, protected and possibly even organized by Israelis and/or neocons, or whether they were simply Muslim extremists doing Muslim extremist things and the Israelis/neocons tried to prevent them from being found out beforehand. I think the latter is more likely, but given the depths of neocon depravity and false flagging we've seen with Ukraine I no longer put anything past them.

[–]8thmonitor[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah I think it was Muslim extremists doing Muslims extremists. There is a full confession and explanation of why they did it. They directly blamed US support for Israel as 1 motive. If they were really working with Israel or Bush, I doubt they would blame Israel.

[–]oligarchracy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I find it extremely unlikely they would have remained undetected and able to carry out the attacks had it not been for Bush and deep state neocons ignoring and even covering up red flags that people were already seeing as suspicious. My suspicion is that the Israelis/neocons knew what they were up to and were monitoring them and actively blocking things that would have nipped the entire plot in the bud.

[–]8thmonitor[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That makes sense. Something like Bush knew al-Qaeda will do 9/11 and he let it happen. This gave good motive to launch War on Terror to protect Israel even more.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

[–]8thmonitor[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I also thought Operation Northwoods is proof that Bush faked 9/11 to push regime change in anti-Israel nations.

But what about Osama's confession and explanation? Doesn't that all make sense?

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

How is this still a thing. Zionist Jews 100% orchestrated 9/11, ACARS proves this.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I think there were explosives in the buildings tbh especially building 7 but maybe whoever was puppeteering Bin Laden at the time could've gotten him in on part of the incident.

[–]8thmonitor[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

So like controlled demolition? Doesn't the plane explanation make sense?

Who was puppeteering Bin Laden? I don't think Mossad worked with Bin Laden because Bin Laden said support for Israel is one of the reasons for 9/11.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's both simultaneously. Bin Laden being puppeteered seems obvious when you see the results of his actions

[–]AlphixNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No, the plane explanation makes no sense at all. Jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel beams; the buildings were designed to withstand multiple airliner impacts; the buildings fell into their own footprint at freefall speeds: there was no resistance on the way down! Plus, many people at the scene reported SECONDARY EXPLOSIONS, one by floor: "boom-boom-boom-boom-boom" etc. They did not make that up.

Also, WTC 7 came down after a couple broken windows and a tiny fire. "Lucky" Larry said, "we decided to pull it" and it came down within a couple hours of him saying that, when in fact controlled demolitions are planned and executed over WEEKS of installing the charges, etc. So he says "we decided to pull it" (down), it comes down in a couple hours, in EXACTLY the same pattern as 1 & 2 and THAT IS NOT SUSPICIOUS? Oh, and Building 7 contained SEC records for many high profile trading fraud cases. Funny how that works.

[–]Zapped 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Those floor-to-floor explosions were the individual collapsing as the upper levels landed on them. It was air blowing out as each was smashed flat.

[–]AlphixNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If that had been the case, the tower would not have fallen at free-fall speeds. Try again.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-308-911-trillions-follow-the-money/

[–]AlphixNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Corbett is always on point.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-308-911-trillions-follow-the-money/

[–]8thmonitor[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Can you summarize what he thinks? Is it just for insurance money?

Wait isn't this James Corbett the ancap? His video taught me about Dancing Israelis.

Edit: I am listening to podcast now.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s been too long. I’ll re watch it in my way home from vacation.

He basically points out how the money shows it is nothing but an inside job and most of the higher ups in the us clearly knew about it before hand.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

An alliance of international Jewry, Mossad, Neocons, and Us intelligence agencies planned and executed it

[–]8thmonitor[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

So its saying that Al-Qaeda didn't do it?

If Al-Qaeda is Mossad, why would Al-Qaeda blame American support of Israel as one of the reasons for 9/11?

The video exposing the terrorists is unable.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It may have originally been an Al-Qaeda plan but the hijackers were helped the entire way by the US and Mossad govt agencies. They were in the US for months and tailed by Israelis in Florida. I also read somewhere they got flight training in the US but idk where

From what i remember reading Al Qaeda said they did it eventually but with the US previously funding Al Qaeda and israel creating ISIS who the fuck knows. Its all gay psyops and false flags to get goyim to die for israel's security and give bloodthirsty neocons an excuse to fuck up the world

[–]Zapped 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They took flight training in Miami using simulators and they did raise suspicion. Another took a class in Minneapolis, but got arrested on immigration charges before he could join the others.

https://www.newsweek.com/day-minnesota-flight-instructor-was-better-detective-fbi-1616401

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you

[–]oligarchracy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

One of the more bizarre facts that have come out about 9/11 was that Zacarias Moussaoui apparently sent emails to others involved in the plot from Nick Berg's laptop. Nick Berg was the Jewish American who was later beheaded in Iraq by Abu Zarqawi after he inexplicably traveled there to work installing satellite dishes as a private contractor in some of the most insurgent heavy parts of Iraq. In regards to the laptop, Berg claimed that he just happened to be on a bus with Moussaoui and let him borrow his laptop to send the emails. The likelyhood of this being a coincidence is exceedingly small.

[–]8thmonitor[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Is it something like:

Step 1) Al-Qaeda terrorists go to the US to learn about how to fly planes into Twin Towers. I don't think anyone in US suspected them as terrorists (yet).

Step 2) Your article explains that Mossad followed those terrorists to US because Mossad thought those terrorists will commit some attack.

But the article mentions that Mossad warned US about the terrorists. The Mossad apparently warned their American counterparts several times about the terrorists, especially about al-Midhar. The American government later admitted that they had received such warnings prior to September 11. But at most that there were attacks planned against American installations outside the United States.

Huh? But why didn't Mossad warn America when they specifically found out that Twin Towers would be the location aka Dancing Israelis? Why did Mossad even warn the 1st time?

Did Bush government ever seriously know that Twin Towers would be attacked on 9/11? That seems to be unknown. Maybe Bush found out eventually before 9/11, but let it happen just to further fuck up the world in the name of protecting Israel.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yes, but I think Israel knew it was going to happen.

[–]8thmonitor[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah. I wonder if Bush also knew it was going to happen and let it happen as a reason for War on Terror.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I doubt it.

[–]8thmonitor[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hey what about Osama literally denying that al-Qaeda did 9/11? I changed my mind and it looks like it was a false flag by Mossad and Bush.

https://web.archive.org/web/20090603025259/http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/index.html In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said.

The later confession looks like it was all fake.

[–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yes. The U.S. should have known, but different agencies weren't talking to each other, or they would have put something together before it happened. This is part of the reason we got the Patriot Act.

[–]8thmonitor[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Did the US specifically know the attack would be in NYC? I think the US knew it would be happening somewhere in US, but only Mossad found out.

[–]Zapped 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Some of the suspects were being loosely watched, or at least on a watchlist. There were even people contacting authorities saying that they thought they were up to something. There was no big, shared database to connect the dots. Information was shared from agency to agency or field office to field office, on a need-to-know basis, by way of person-to-person, and that didn't always happen.

https://oig.justice.gov/sites/default/files/archive/special/0506/chapter5.htm

[–]AlphixNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, the Patriot Act was the reason for the attacks! Rockefeller said as much, beforehand.

[–]Maggotus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Mix 2 and 4 together and you have an answer

[–]8thmonitor[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That Bush faked 9/11? What about Osama's confession and explanation?

[–]AlphixNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The invasion of all these countries was planned and organized long beforehand. In some interviews given before his death, film producer Aaron Russo gave a long interview (a bit over 2 hours and a half) which you can find on rumble here: https://rumble.com/v2uejvi-reflections-and-warnings-the-interview-with-aaron-russo-rockefeller-insider.html In this, he talks about how pretty much everything is controlled and organized by a cabal, with the Rockefellers at the center of a good chunk of it. I think this is the bit where he mentions Rockefeller telling him "there's going to be a new pearl harbor" and "we're going to go into Iraq, Afghanistan, (and a lot more countries): https://rumble.com/v1e9mbd-aaron-russo-new-world-order-war-banksters-and-population-control.html

So anyway, it was an inside job by globalist Jews who are driving their own private agenda for the world. Among other things, they wanted to destabilize all these militant muslim regions so they would "become refugees" and truly INVADE Western countries and wage war on the White race for them. So that's what's about to happen.

These globalist Jews hate the White race with a passion and will stop at nothing in their desire to eradicate our bloodlines, because they know, so long as the white race is strongly present in this world, they cannot fully enslave the planet. So they want to get rid of us so they can fulfill their Talmudic prophesies of enslaving all of mankind.

[–]FreakyFalangistNational Catholicism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My personal theory that I feel follows Occam's razor is that US and likely Israeli intelligence agencies had foreknowledge of the attack and either directly aided Al-Qaeda at certain points of their plan or indirectly aided them by not taking any efforts to stop them, knowing that the attacks would be an enormous boon for them to pursue their foreign policy goals.

Theories about the planes being drones/missiles etc. would imply a conspiracy of an unprecedented scale which would be incredibly difficult to keep covered up effectively.