Do you think that Al-Qaeda really did 9/11?

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[–]oligarchracy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Flights 11 and 175 that hit the WTCs were probably drones, based on the KC 767 tanker. Flight 93 that hit the Pentagon was probably a drone.

There were passengers on those planes that called and talked to people about hijackers taking over the plane, as well as cockpit radio communications. What you are proposing is a conspiracy that was extremely risky to pull off without being detected and would have involved too many people. Much more likely that they simply either recruited and facilitated unwitting Muslim extremists to carry out the attacks, or more likely simply detected such an attack in the works and actively prevented efforts to uncover and stop it.

[–]TheJamesRocket 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

There were passengers on those planes that called and talked to people about hijackers taking over the plane

The problem is that you can't make cell phone calls from an aircraft above a certain altitude. A. K. Dewdney performed experiments to determine what cell phone reception was like from both single and twin engine aircraft. He determined that there was a ceiling above which no cell phone calls could connect, which he estimated at about 1000 feet for a twin engine aircraft.

If the cell phone calls were impossible, then they weren't made from aircraft: They were made from the ground, by people pretending to be passengers on the hijacked planes.

What you are proposing is a conspiracy that was extremely risky to pull off without being detected and would have involved too many people.

Executing a false flag attack is risky, sure, but the payoff for the conspirators was huge. The NeoCons would get a blank cheque to do whatever they wanted on the world stage. They decided to gamble, and it worked. As for total cognizant conspirators, most people overestimate the amount of aware contributors needed and underestimate the ease of using bureaucratic structures where people just do their small, specific job robotically.

Much more likely that they simply either recruited and facilitated unwitting Muslim extremists to carry out the attacks

The problem is, this doesn't explain how the Twin Towers or WTC 7 collapsed the way they did. It doesn't explain why there was molten steel in the ruins of ground zero. It doesn't explain how Flight 175 was able to exceed its maximum airspeed by over 150 knots and remain controllable, or to pull off such a precise hit on a relatively small target.

[–]AlphixNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Also, flying big planes into buildings is NOT easy! None of the alleged people involved seemed to have the expertise to pull that off. You don't fly an airliner like you fly a cessna.

[–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wonder why cell phones wouldn't reach over 1000 feet high. 30 years ago, I was 15 miles off the coast in a small boat and was able to use my cell phone.

[–]oligarchracy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The problem is that you can't make cell phone calls from an aircraft above a certain altitude. A. K. Dewdney performed experiments to determine what cell phone reception was like from both single and twin engine aircraft. He determined that there was a ceiling above which no cell phone calls could connect, which he estimated at about 1000 feet for a twin engine aircraft.

If this was true, that it is literally impossible for the passengers to have made those cell phone calls(or airphone calls that someone mistakenly described as cell phone calls), and basically the entire planet was told they made these calls, wouldn't it be inevitable that countless qualified people would point this out, rather than one dude named A. K. Dewdney? I mean there are at least tens of thousands of people on the planet who would already have the knowledge required to know whether the calls were possible, and millions more who are smart and educated enough to find out. But nope. Nobody thought to look into it until AK Dewdney(whoever that is) did some "experiments".

If the cell phone calls were impossible, then they weren't made from aircraft: They were made from the ground, by people pretending to be passengers on the hijacked planes.

How do you recruit numerous voice actors that can flawlessly imitate someone else, and have them successfully talk to those people's closest relatives and associates, and fool them all? What about the actual cockpit radio communications? What happened to the passengers themselves? How many people had to be involved with kidnapping and disposing of them? It just gets worse and worse the more you logically delve into a lot of these more elaborate 9/11 conspiracy theories, which unfortunately were devastating to the search for actual truth and is why the neocons/Israelis/bush admin were able to avoid scrutiny for their many questionable and dubious actions leading up to the attacks. Those legit questions were buried under a mountain of stupid implausible conspiracy bullshit.

[–]TheJamesRocket 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If this was true, that it is literally impossible for the passengers to have made those cell phone calls(or airphone calls that someone mistakenly described as cell phone calls), and basically the entire planet was told they made these calls, wouldn't it be inevitable that countless qualified people would point this out

There were communications experts who pointed this out, but they only did so on an individual basis. Hundreds of people individually pointing out the impossibility of cell phone calls from altitude has very little collective effect. Their voices get buried under the mountain of people uncritically repeating the official story. Out of those hundreds of communications experts, they might on average make a few comments online (or to people in real life) pointing out the difficultys involved, before they cease to speak anymore on the matter. Besides, without actual experiments to prove this matter definitively, they could not be absolutely sure about how impossible it was.

Nobody thought to look into it until AK Dewdney(whoever that is) did some "experiments".

If you are curious about his experiments with cell phone calls from various types of aircraft, you can read more in this link. Project Achilles: Low Altitude Cellphone Experiments.

How do you recruit numerous voice actors that can flawlessly imitate someone else, and have them successfully talk to those people's closest relatives and associates, and fool them all?

You don't. You tap the phones of the future hijacking victims, record samples of their voices, and then use voice morphing technology to replicate their voices. This technology was successfully demonstrated in 1999, enabling its user to impersonate Colin Powell.

What about the actual cockpit radio communications?

The voices of the hijackers communicating by radio could have been pre-recorded, or made by live actors. The radio messages themselves could have been transmitted by either the hijacked planes, or the drone aircraft they were swapped with.

What happened to the passengers themselves? How many people had to be involved with kidnapping and disposing of them?

It is not clear whether all of the passengers on the planes were innocent victims. There were Mossad agents onboard Flight 11, for instance. At any rate, the passengers did not meet their fates by crashing into the Twin Towers or the Pentagon: That was the work of drone aircraft. The Boeing 767 aircraft which they departed on were swapped in mid-air by KC 767 tankers (prototypes). Drone swap was the same method proposed in Operation Northwoods. If the maneuver is pulled off precisely, it can even fool the radars of air traffic control.

It just gets worse and worse the more you logically delve into a lot of these more elaborate 9/11 conspiracy theories

9/11 conspiracy theorys may sound implausible on their face. But the official story of 9/11 is downright impossible in many aspects. And as Arthur Conan Doyle said: ''When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.''