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[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

It's not, it's childish and naive at best, and nihilistic and misanthropic at worst. Nationalists screaming you should let others invade your country and take it away is utterly pathetic as well. I'm sure some of these people are on Russia's payroll as well, and narrative shifts are fairly obvious to everyone outside the echo chamber (first saying there will be no invasion, that the western media is fearmongering, that it's just a military exercise, then saying Putin only wants Donbass, then saying how NATO forced poor Russia into invading and pretending that Russia has no agency and real geopolitical interests at stake, etc.).

Also you have to draw a line between friend and enemy at some point, and greater your proximity to Ukraine is, the more you're aware of that (hence all the pro-Russian shilling coming from Western Europe and USA), at some point you have to drop this anti-NATO bit because not doing so means going to Serbia, picking up a gun and shooting at your friends and neighbours. You live where you live.

I'm not embracing pro-Ukraine shit either, I'm just saying that there are many vested interests at play here, and just blindly cheering for Russia because "it's anti-ZOG" (dubious claim) is retarded.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think you can simultaneously do what's best for you in your situation and recognize that the destruction of Jewish power structures by any actor is a positive

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

at some point you have to drop this anti-NATO bit because not doing so means going to Serbia, picking up a gun and shooting at your friends and neighbours.

What?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Serbia is Russia-alligned, Croatia is NATO member. Serbia is investing a whole lot into military (was doing so for the last few years tbh), Russia-Ukraine conflict can easily escalate to the world scale. If that was about to happen, all the yammering about NATO expansion falls into water, you wouldn't be like "my homeland is being destroyed but I deserve it because my country is in evil NATO" and you wouldn't cheer for Russia anymore.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

Johnson is gay and likes the gay pride parades in Kyiv and hates the Russian anti gay laws. He's an ideological ethnonationalist and is rigid to his ideology.

In the words of a great martyr:

Crypto-reactionaries that's that shit I don't like

They just want their bathhouses all-white

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's the great political evolution of the DR from 2015 to 2022. Changing a few policies here and there and kicking out some niggers is not enough. You need a full scale societal cleanse. A full rejection of the post-enlightenment worldview and the post-ww2 world order. Anything less is just kicking the can down the road.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't agree with Johnson on Russia but I still regard him as one of our greatest intellectuals.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Which one is that from lmao

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

'Don't Like'

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Classic

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Who said that?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Mr Bond in his song 'I don't like', parody of this

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

In his words, "China and Russia are more evil than NATO because they commit cultural genocide and they are autocratic states that allow no criticism. Liberal democracy of the west is better because it allows dissent."

He's wrong to call China/Russia more evil, but are people forgetting that Russia use to be a Soviet state for nearly 75 years? What do you think life was like under their rule?

I don't blame Ukraine for defending their integrity. It's easy to to type from miles away from the safety of your own home why they're wrong, but when your house is constantly being bombed and you're on the brink of death, you don't let invaders dictate who gets to live.

Ukraine has the benefit of being a majority white country too, so let them be independent.

[–]Richard_Parker 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

Are you aware of the artificial expansion of Ukraine's borders, how east of the Dnieper is majority Russian in nationality and language. Southern half of that Eastern half is de facto Russian, northern half is a little more than fifty, slightly majority to Ukraine.

It is terrible it has come to this but it is Ukraine's fault, really mostly US/Nato's fault for, as Mearsheimer put it, leading Ukraine down the primrose path.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Are you aware of the artificial expansion of Ukraine's borders, how east of the Dnieper is majority Russian in nationality and language. Southern half of that Eastern half is de facto Russian, northern half is a little more than fifty, slightly majority to Ukraine.

If they hate living in Ukraine, why didn't they move before and after the fall of the Soviets? That's 31 years too late to complain about this.

It's like Quebec asking to be part of France again. Or all those territories Germany lost at the end of WW2 and declaring war to get them back.

[–]NeoRail 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

If they hate living in Ukraine, why didn't they move before and after the fall of the Soviets?

Presumably because they have been living there for hundreds of years.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Do they believe in magic dirt theory? Just cross the border if they want to live in Russia so badly.

And I say the same about the Germans who lost Königsberg.

[–]NeoRail 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Not only have you made two inapplicable analogies, but you have also shifted the goalposts, all in the same post.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

When is this troll going to get banned?

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I hope that he is a troll, because the alternative is that he is just stupid.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think it's the latter tbh he seems to be pretty organic

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well I wish him the best, because he is one of the most incoherent people I have ever spoken to.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lol dude, I saw your other post calling for Russia to attack Finland. This is the level of brainwashing happening right now.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I didn't shift anything.

They had 30 years to learn Ukraine broke away from Russia. WTF did they think was going to happen? The empire magically comes back?

I try and avoid Slavic politics because everyone from that part of Europe acts retarded, and this stuff only confirms it. The Russian border is 5 minutes away. Either move or just quit bitching about where you live.

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I do not think that you are the one to talk about who is or is not "retarded". "Ethnically cleanse yourself so that I don't have to" is a very stupid argument, and that is more or less exactly what you are saying right now. These Russian communities have been living on the territory of what is today called Ukraine long before Ukrainian nationalism even existed. The idea that they should just "leave" and "go to Russia", abandoning their roots, homes and communities in the process is completely ridiculous. For many people and communities around the world, moving somewhere else is a last resort, least of all because it is costly and difficult.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The idea that they should just "leave" and "go to Russia", abandoning their roots, homes and communities in the process is completely ridiculous.

Then they've doomed themselves with their own laziness and stupidity. I already said the Soviet Union isn't coming back, if they can't pay the small taxi fee to go to the border and live in a Russian town, they have nothing to complain about by staying in a completely seperate country.

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well it turns out that they didn't need to go to the border, since it seems like the border is moving across the Donbass instead.

[–]Richard_Parker 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Spencer again. Ugh, THe guy is a narcissist. I do not think he is a fed but he takes polite in getting a reaction. I really wonder whether he believes in anything, but just finds contrarian positions that get a rise out of people, then bends his intellectual analysis to bolster whatever position he takes. People need to stop giving him oxygen. And for those skeptical of this, I will just remind people to remember Greg Conte.

[–]arainynightinskyrim 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Chechens are a caucasian people who unironically look whiter than Italians

https://thuletide.wordpress.com/2021/09/20/are-georgians-chechens-and-other-caucasian-people-european-or-middle-eastern/

Some of them may look like europeans but they're not europeans.

What's with this resentment against italians?

Are you perhaps Varg Vikernes in disguise?

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

I think he's trying to make a point that if we consider Italians whites - which I hope is the case, since I'm Italian - we have no reasons to not consider Chechens whites. It's an argument based on the color line, which I don't like, but I stress a lot the importance of being of indoeuropean (Aryan) origins, and obviously the Chechens are Indo-Europeans.

[–]arainynightinskyrim 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Read the article I've posted, genetically people from the caucasus are closer to turks and iranians.

Italians are genetically closer to all other european groups.

Caspar is either a troll or has some genuine resentment towards italians.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I can't tell anything from caspar, but the article you posted wasn't particulary conclusive by itself. Yeah, it take in account some characteristic and draw lines accordingly. But there are no way to say if this method is better than just say "look at them, they are clearly whites".

also, Chechens are still indo-europeans

[–]arainynightinskyrim 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

He says he's joking.

Again read the article, Chechens are closer to Turks and Iranians, they're not our people even if some of them look like us.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I did read the article, it was quite interesting, even if i knew some of the stuff inside. I'm just making a point about the fact that "white" by itself can only be reasonably connected to a color-line, in which, looking the photos of the chechens, they quite fit into the white category.

[–]arainynightinskyrim 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They do not fit the white category at all, they're clearly similar to other caucasus people, azeris, armenians, and georgians.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

and obviously the Chechens are Indo-Europeans

No they're not they have no direct PIE ancestry. They have a separate common ancestor with modern Europeans.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I stand corrected

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

White is an American label. We're Europeans.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

It's just a joke. I like Italians. They have great food and architecture.

[–]arainynightinskyrim 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

ok

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    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Finally, let us address practical politics. Here you have to accept reality. Russia has lost the war. Ukraine will join NATO and the EU. We might not want either of this, but we have to focus on the next best option now. This seems to be to use Ukraine as an ally for the Visegrad bloc, possibly supported by a Le Pen led France and maybe with further support from Spain and Flanders fairly soon. This way, we might end up with an independent Europe even though by other means.

    Russia is winning decisively and they'll conquer all of Ukraine within 3-4 months.

    Eastern Europe remained white and normal under the iron curtain of the Soviet Union. Russians will cast a similar iron curtain that protects Eastern Euro countries from negrolatry and globohomo. Statelets like Poland and the visegrad are all being infiltrated and subverted by globohomo. Only a great power like Russia or China can resist the American poison.

    The more countries Russia conquers, the more European land is turned into No-America zones.

    [–]AidsVictim69 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Russia is winning decisively and they'll conquer all of Ukraine within 3-4 months.

    Delusional

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I think it will take longer but Putin is moving slow on purpose.

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

    You really think Europe will be allowed to become independent through mere political posturing? It's only possible if European militaries forcefully throw off the American yoke. The entire Ukrainian nationalist cause is not organic and is linked to American funded Jewish mafias. I'm not gonna say that Ukrainians shouldn't defend themselves, but I will say that the Jewish power structures being destroyed there is positive.

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      [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      Exactly, and the only way that'll happen is if both their militaries stage coups simultaneously and quickly enough to catch the Americans off guard.

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        [–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        Actually the EU has something like the NATO article 5, so there's yet a military alliance. We need full indipendent military in order to drop out of NATO

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          [–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          I think that is quite likely for Macron, if he gets elected once again, to push for an European army. Second term is last term for a French President, so he won't be conditioned by political opportunities. He also spoke laudly, in the last weeks, in favour of an European army. In practical terms, I think that we would get some EU forces, but mostly shared technology and exercises for the armies of Spain, Italy, French and Germamy, with an European high command. The core of the army would obviously be the French army, which provides the nukes. Hopefully we will also get, at a given point, an European nuclear program.

          With an European army, any option to drop out of the Union would be lost. So I think that the process won't be uniform, but will start from the heartlands as a new level of political integration and will be gradually adopted by the other states. Someone probably will entirely drop out of the Union.

          [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          It would be interesting if Russia could destabilize the Ukrainian government to such a degree that the military flips and sides with Russia. We've already see a large portion of pro globo homo Ukrainians leave the country. Maybe that's why Putin hasn't invaded the whole country yet? It's a power play to make the country flip, cleanse it's pro western population, and go pro Russia. Then Russia will leave with a new pro Russia government in charge?

          [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          In 2014 it could've been done, but after 8 years of globohomo poison I really fucking doubt it, Russia is gonna have to grind for every square foot of domain they take in Ukraine.

          [–]Richard_Parker 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

          It is a complex issue beyond just whether Ukraine should exist. The Ukrainian language is beyond just a strong dialect but not quite a distinct Russian, as, from what I gather, most Russians can understand Ukranian and vice versa--hint, Germans cannot understand Dutch or Danish.... The borders of Ukraine as a Soviet Republic were artificially expanded. This conflict arises out of not having revised those borders when the Soviet Union fell apart AND Nato's folly of trying to expand right up to the Russian frontier.

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            [–]Richard_Parker 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

            That should have been negotiated at a peace summit eight years ago.

            Have you read Putin's essay. There is a Russian perspective that the Ukranian nationality stems from just centuries of occupation and influencd from the Poland Lithuania n commonwealth, Austria Hungaria Empire. As an anglo American I consider myself too ignorant to opine definitively, but at least I have some awareness of the arguments which puts me way on the top of a sea of ignorance and hubris.

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              [–]Richard_Parker 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              The important thing is neither is just spouting tired slogans and hashtags with no nuisance. How would you feel about partitioning Ukraine up to Dnieper river with Ukraine as a client state or as a neutral buffer country like Finland or Austria?

              [–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Much of this post seems to be empty rationalising about Russia.

              [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Ironic coming from a man that has been deplatformed from the entire internet and who has been barred from visiting the free and democratic EU.

              Who? Johnson?

              Chechens are a caucasian people who unironically look whiter than Italians.

              What's your problem with Italians?

              Statelets like Poland and the visegrad are all being infiltrated and subverted by globohomo. Only a great power like Russia or China can resist the American poison.

              Intermarrium is a more plausible alternative.

              [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              The dissident right's reaction to the Russia-Ukraine war has been white pilling

              Luckily the dissident right wised up on Spencer years ago. Anyone that thinks Spencer is the voice of the alt right is a shill or a newb that hasn't really gotten into the discourse deeply.