Gulf states, India, Central Asia and China veer towards Russia during this crisis

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https://twitter.com/matthew_petti/status/1497231642074693636

After decades of performing vigorous fellatio on Gulf Monarchies, they give America the middle finger and cozy up to Russia.

India for all its talk of being a pole in the crusade against China has also more or less sided with the Russians.

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/india-explores-setting-up-rupee-trade-accounts-with-russia-soften-sanctions-blow-2022-02-25/

China so far has been solidly pro-Russian, putting the blame of the war on the US.

Kazakhstan is also working to sideline western sanctions.

American hegemony is truly coming to an end. The coming economic collapse will fully wipe out western dominance on the world stage.

As the great philosopher and freedom fighter, Osama bin Laden said- When people see two horses, they go for the stronger one.

People see Russia now as the stronger horse as they're willing to shed blood and conquer countries. They see America as a feminized wreck now. Its army full of trannies, negro criminals and women.

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[–]shilldetector 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

The amount of braindead simplistic neocon shilling going on in reddit over Ukraine is shocking, but totally predictable. Reddit really is the go to means of swaying popular opinion among younger people, especially college educated.

What started out as an alt right dominated and popularized forum is now a 24/7 mouthpiece for anti white Jew globalists/neocons. Makes me physically ill to look at the front page of that putrid website.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The director of policy in reddit is literally a member of the Atlantic Council. Nothing is orfanic about the left. Its all CIA astroturf

[–]DisastrousDepth14Race comes first 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

neocon

Did you mean neo-cohen?

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Am I misreading or are you implying that reddit was alt right dominated? Because it has always had a mostly liberal/left user base.

[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

True but before the censorship really ramped up around 2017 the Overton window was way further to the right. There were points at least in the forums I visited like r/Europe and r/ukpolitcs where alt-lite & nationalistic sentiment was the majority.

[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The amount of braindead simplistic neocon shilling going on in reddit over Ukraine is shocking, but totally predictable.

It really is. The mass censorship of the internet starting around 2017 has been a massive success for the establishment - something Nationalists should take note of if they are ever in a position of power.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

India for all its talk of being a pole in the crusade against China has also more or less sided with the Russians.

They want to do the same thing in Kashmir. They now count on Russia's approval when the time comes.

As the great philosopher and freedom fighter, Osama bin Laden said

The older I get the more I like him.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Honestly the people of India outside of urbanite faggots that spend too much time on twitter are supportive of Chinese domestic governance. Indian hostility to China is only a function of historic and current Chinese foreign policy which tends to poke at its neighbors.

[–]Agni777 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Check out Ukraines track record against India in UN resolutions. Then also see the 1971 war about which country supported India while Henry Kissinger sent nuclear war heads to attack it. And then examine the Indian Russian relationship in that regard.

America is great country but a poor Ally. And in particular ti India, until very recently, America treated Pakistan much better than India.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (38 children)

I agree that the American Empire is crumbling (the Afghan defeat was the first signal), but I don't have much confidence in Russia either.

If the numbers are to be believed, they've already taken almost 3,000 casualties in conquering Ukraine. A country that has an Africa-tier economy.

Meanwhile, the U.S only took 196 casualties in 2 months for the opening invasion of Iraq. History is showing that the Russians kind of suck at warfare, and their only strength is being able to zerg rush an enemy with constant reinforcements.

They can probably take on Poland, Finland & Sweden if they want, but once they come across more experienced armies, then Putin will have to start backing down.

[–]raven9 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

If the numbers are to be believed, they've already taken almost 3,000 casualties in conquering Ukraine. A country that has an Africa-tier economy.

The Ukranian economy is largely irrelevent to their initial ability to fight back when NATO has been pouring billions of dollars worth of military hardware and hundreds of thousands of military personel into that country.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

So why wasn't Assad toppled? I'm pretty sure the U.S has been supplying the Syrian rebels the entire time, and yet even Hezbollah has been able to destroy them in every match up.

And the same was true with Afghanistan vs Taliban. Once the U.S retreated, the Afghan Army didn't even bother to fight back.

[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

You’re comparing numerous rebel factions from a wartorn, tribal Arab society to Ukraine… They may be poor by European standards but they’re still a functioning, centralised state. They’ve also been preparing for this exact scenario for years.

It was never gonna be a walk In the park for Russia, though I’d be skeptical of any casualty numbers this early on.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They're suppose to be up against a country that's both physically and literally 1/3rd of their size. Why would the rest of the world be terrified if they're being bogged down this early, before the threat of nukes?

But like I said in another post, I think Putin's an idiot for waging a war with confusing objectives. And it's not like these types of blunders go unnoticed.

The Soviets invaded Finland the first time, and yet even with a larger invasion force, Stalin's personal meddling caused more Soviet casualties for only limited gains.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No offense but none of that is relevant to my post. I was specifically explaining why pouring billions into dozens of nebulous Arab rebel groups is different to pouring the same amount of money into Ukraine, a functioning European nation.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I used the rebels against the main argument that just dropping expensive military hardware into enemy hands isn't enough to win wars.

As for comparing it to a state level, again, I believe some form of competency is needed.

So far, I've seen videos of Russian soldiers who are already captured or deserted from their positions. What exactly is the morale of these people? Some interviews even reveal they had no idea they were actually meant to partake in an invasion.

For the Ukrainian defenders, they know their lives are on the line and that motivates them to try and fight back.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 3 insightful - 7 fun3 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 7 fun -  (2 children)

6000 of those 3000 casualties were jewish Russians.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

6000? It's annudah shoah.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The Russians are unironically going to hold Nuremberg style trials after this and make a Slav holohoax up.

[–]shilldetector 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

Ukraine has a lot of modern US military hardware. There was a question of whether the Ukrainians would really fight, but it seems they are fighting, so that being the case the casualties seem to be in line with what you'd expect, especially with the Russians attempting an airborne operation at that key airport right outside Kiev. Airborne troops are extremely vulnerable to armored attacks, which is why since ww2 modern militaries have all but ceased them unless it's limited attacks against lightly armed ground troops/insurgents. I dont believe a single airborne operation was attempted in the gulf war. It was a ballsy move by the Russians and it seems to have gone the way previous airborne operations against modern armies have gone, although maybe less disasterous.

The Iraq army didnt fight during the US invasion, they simply melted away to fight another day, and the war overall was an unmitigated disaster from the US perspective. For the Israelis it was a success though, and that's all the Neocons cared about. I also havent seen any solid numbers of casualties, as the only thing the Jewed media will report on are Ukrainian defense ministray claims.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

See my response to the Raven.

https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/8yky/gulf_states_india_central_asia_and_china_veer/x2lx

Either Russia is incompetent and has to rely on brute force tactics (which is historically true), or the Ukranians are that much better (which is strange, since they're both Slavs).

Just having help from the U.S is not enough to tip the scales. Bay of pigs invasion was the same disaster. CIA glowies were still beaten back by the Island spics & mullatos.

Edit: And even if you don't want to believe the Ukranian claims, there's plenty of on the ground footage being uploaded on the internet, that shows Russian armor being destroyed, or Russian soldiers themselves deserting.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/t0qqdd/footage_appears_to_show_evidence_of_russian/

Not good for an invasion force if morale is already that low.

[–]shilldetector 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

The Russians seem to be winning and are close to taking over the entire country, and you're comparing it to bay of pigs?

Did you honestly just give me a reddit link to prove Russian morale is low? Publicfreakout no less? Which is one of the most Jewed propaganda subs on reddit?

I would hope the Russians are at least somewhat uneasy about killing fellow slavs. I wouldnt want to kill my fellow ethnics either simply based on who lives on what side of a border.

As I said this is just a brother war that was instigated by Neocon Jews that constantly attack Putin and Russia. They havent shut up about Russia for the last 5 years. They wouldnt just let Russia be and intentionally used Ukraine to threaten and subvert them. The Russians enemy isnt fellow slavic Ukrainians, it's Jews who use Ukraine for their own ends. These people are basically all European peoples enemies at this point. Sam Hyde said it best about what they want for all of us.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I would hope the Russians are at least somewhat uneasy about killing fellow slavs.

That uneasiness is the biggest reason they're taking casualties, they've been merciful to people who stab their back when turned around.

The Russians enemy isnt fellow slavic Ukrainians, it's Jews who use Ukraine for their own ends.

And unfortunately the path to destroying Jewish power structures involves death. But war is the biggest accelerator of Jewish decay there is and the kikes are too prideful to realize that.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah. They're fighting with a hand behind their back. They've taken great pains to limit Ukrainian military and civilian casualties. The US intelligence services admitted as such. If they went full in and attacked with full-spectrum EW, rocket artillery, and airstrikes, the Ukrainian army would cease to exist by now.

However, in that case there'd be 20,000 Ukrainian military deaths and tens of thousands of civilian deaths.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Kadyrov has sent 10,000+ Chechens marching towards Kiev so maybe a more brutal approach to the battle is yet to come. It seems that Putin truly sees this as a re-enactment of the invasion of Germany over 70 years ago. He's gone to the point of announcing military tribunals for members of the current Ukrainian regime. And even Zelensky is playing his role as a sort of "Anti-Hitler" with his refusal to leave Kiev.

Hopefully the war ends before the Chechens are able to quench their thirst for blood.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It's nothing like that. The Chechens are being used as cannon fodder. Urban combat is bloody and it's good for Russia if he can use Chechens to grind the defenders down.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Where's your source of them taking over the entire country in a day? Other than the Capital city, most Russians are still fighting close to the border.

Did you honestly just give me a reddit link to prove Russian morale is low? Publicfreakout no less? Which is one of the most Jewed propaganda subs on reddit?

I doubt either of us speak Ukrainian/Russian, so a video on an english website will have to suffice.

I would hope the Russians are at least somewhat uneasy about killing fellow slavs. I wouldnt want to kill my fellow ethnics either simply based on who lives on what side of a border.

If they don't want to kill, why are they dressed in uniform? They're still getting paid for their crime, so spare me the ethics.

As I said this is just a brother war that was instigated by Neocon Jews that constantly attack Putin and Russia. They havent shut up about Russia for the last 5 years. They wouldnt just let Russia be and intentionally used Ukraine to threaten and subvert them. The Russians enemy isnt fellow slavic Ukrainians, it's Jews who use Ukraine for their own ends. These people are basically all European peoples enemies at this point. Sam Hyde said it best about what they want for all of us.

I'm aware, but Putin has already crossed the Rubicon at this point and he was never going to give up power peacefully. Waging a half ass war just confuses everyone, left or right. I think the Russians are just incompetent and that's why they're running into issues early on fighting another Slavic country.

Maybe they will win or install a new puppet government that's favorable to Russia, but don't pretend that all their screw-ups are based on "brotherly love" and telling off globalists. Their history of incompetency goes back hundreds of years.

[–]shilldetector 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

If they don't want to kill, why are they dressed in uniform? They're still getting paid for their crime, so spare me the ethics.

The same could be said of literally every member of every military.

I think the Russians are just incompetent and that's why they're running into issues early on fighting another Slavic country.

Well they managed to put several probes on the surface of Venus 50 years ago, something not even NASA managed to do successfully, so they are at least somewhat competent. To the extent they are having issues it's because the defender always has a home field advantage and the Russians have to be careful not to cause too many civilian casualties or risk Ukrainians and the world turning against them.

The US on the other hand just went full "shock and awe" on Iraq and the end result was probably hundreds of thousands dead, and not a single person ever held accountable for their preemptive invasion and military occupation. Coincidentally Biden voted for the invasion if I remember so he's hardly someone to lecture another country about invasions.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The same could be said of literally every member of every military.

You can wear a uniform for self defense.

If you wear it while being on the offensive, then at least admit to it.

Well they managed to put several probes on the surface of Venus 50 years ago, something not even NASA managed to do successfully, so they are at least somewhat competent. To the extent they are having issues it's because the defender always has a home field advantage and the Russians have to be careful not to cause too many civilian casualties or risk Ukrainians and the world turning against them. The US on the other hand just went full "shock and awe" on Iraq and the end result was probably hundreds of thousands dead, and not a single person ever held accountable for their preemptive invasion and military occupation. Coincidentally Biden voted for the invasion if I remember so he's hardly someone to lecture another country about invasions.

I didn't support the Iraq invasion. I only used it as an example of what a competant military looks like, even if Bush lied to all the Men & Women who took part in it.

I also support Russia on their Space Endeavors, and would prefer they focus on that, than conquering their neighbor.

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    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    If the numbers are to be believed, they've already taken almost 3,000 casualties in conquering Ukraine. A country that has an Africa-tier economy.

    They're not to be believed. It's much less than one thousand. Ukrainian and US propaganda is worse than Baghdad bob.

    [–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    What would their economy have to do with anything? Ukraine is filled with patriotic nationalist men willing to die for their country. The lower living standards has helped keep their nation tough while the higher living standards in the West have done the opposite. If Russia wanted to conquer Europe they have the hardest time in Eastern European countries.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    How else would they afford a military budget?

    The only 3rd world country I can think of with a threatening army is North Korea, and they clearly have to sacrifice food and infrastructure to support it.

    Meanwhile, their Southern Neighbors who are far more rich, can balance nation building with a more advanced army.

    If Russia wanted to conquer Europe they have the hardest time in Eastern European countries.

    Yeah, no. For starters, countries like France or the UK have naval capabilities. I also don't believe their airforce would get knocked out in a day.

    Look I get it. I'm against globohomo and all the other degenerate crap in the West. But that's not a free license to think Russia is now this unbeatable superpower. This is the same country that has a GDP smaller than Italy and suffers from alcoholism...

    [–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    You are looking at technology and money and forgetting the West is no longer filled with brave masculine men willing to fight and die for their nation. The culture of Eastern Europe is different because the character of the men is different.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    If you based it off the Purple Hair Twitter freaks? Yeah.

    But the millions of legal gun owners who will snap if their 2nd amendment rights get taken away? No, I think they would put up a serious resistance.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    But the millions of legal gun owners who will snap if their 2nd amendment rights get taken away? No, I think they would put up a serious resistance.

    They're obese boomers. They won't do shit.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Can I get a source on that?

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    The majority of Russian casualties are because these good hearted faggots allowed surrendering Ukrainian soldiers to return to their families, where they promptly stabbed the Russians in the back. The Russian offensive overall is far more advanced tactically than the invasion of Iraq, given their forces disabled the entirety of the Ukrainian army for nearly an entire day and reached the capital within that time. Granted the Ukrainians' initial mistakes were largely because of faulty American evidence.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Call me old fashioned, but intentionally letting your enemy get away with the idea they would join your side has never paid off. Hitler letting British flee from Dunkirk was the precendent.

    But I also think people need take a deep breathe and start calming down from this war. I've already seen Russian soldiers born as early as 2002 being thrown into this war, just to end up dead on the streets.

    It's easy for Putin to call this war, when he's thousands of kilometers away from the fighting and staying in his bunker. These are young kids being sent to die for a disgusting cause that benefits no one but his own inner circle.

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Hitler letting British flee from Dunkirk was the precendent.

    FACTS

    These are young kids being sent to die for a disgusting cause that benefits no one but his own inner circle.

    Actually it benefits all of us by accelerating the decline of Jewish power structures in the east and the west. The Russians will explode over this in the long run and the West will drain itself countering them. Good! Putin has done one good thing in his life with this war, he has ended the "End of History" for good.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Meanwhile, the U.S only took 196 casualties in 2 months for the opening invasion of Iraq.

    There's no comparison whatsoever. That was a completely different situation.

    Putin will have to start backing down

    He'll just use tactical nukes.

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Putin has already started backing down that's why the invasion has slowed down. He needs to stop giving that kike chances to negotiate.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Iraq was hit by sanctions from the original gulf war, but they still had one of the largest armies in the world at the time (and perhaps, the whole Middle East). Not to mention, compared to Ukraine, they also had a lot of fighting experience. Remember Saddam's Elite Guards?

    He'll just use tactical nukes.

    The oligarch's would intervene, as it guarantees Russia's destruction.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    The oligarch's would intervene, as it guarantees Russia's destruction.

    They're not in charge. They have no real political power in Russia. Read Russian military doctrine.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Money always talks. The minute they run out of funds to fuel their forever wars, there will be internal chaos and betrayal. That's how the original Soviets fell.

    But whatever, lets watch where Putin takes his country in the next few months. I honestly think it's dumb, but he must know more about geopolitics than me. Especially as he's now being boycotted everywhere besides China and a few backwater nations...

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Well the Indian government is incapable of manufacturing weapons without Russian expertise so of course they won't shoot themselves in the foot. But I think the ruling class in India is still all too willing to play sepoy for the Atlanticists. The only reason they haven't gone all out pro-American is that America refuses to support them and repeatedly attempts color revolutions.

    [–]Agni777 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    America has two faces. So it becomes dofficult to have a reliable partner. In fact when I think I of it, there is only one country in the world that both parties strongly support. I don’t think I have to name it in this forum.

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    The parties don't really mean anything Western foreign policy (with the exception of France) has just historically been against that country. America is indeed the world's worst ally to everyone except Israel.

    [–]negrogreBeing black is anti-white 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Good on China for keeping America out of this conflict.