Will you actually stay in the West when it officially becomes 49% minority White?

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The Canadian election is in a few days and I made the biggest mistake of my life trying to watch the only English debate amongst the leaders.

For 2 hours straight, the only thing they could ever talk about is diversity. They honestly don't think Canada is diverse enough. They fought each other to death calling each other racist,sexist and sucking Native Indian dick.

https://youtu.be/Tr_CwDsQzg8?t=4399

If this is the state Canada is in right now, what the hell is life going to be like in the next 10 years when White people are no longer going to be a majority, anywhere in this country?

I've heard one person say before the huge amount Asian immigrants we take in will make things ok, but actually live next to them and you will learn fast that it's still White genocide.

They wont do nothing about the out of control crime or the destruction of historical monuments, because they all tow the same line that Canada is just a colony to them. When they're done extracting our wealth, they'll just go back to India or China and leave the rest of the country looking like a shittier version of Brazil.

But here's the scary part. Where exactly do White Canadians even run to when this happens? The USA? They are only 61% White and are quickly falling as well. Europe? The UK & France are undergoing their own demographic shifts as well, and the politicians are just like ours and believe "diversity is our greatest strength". And with the fall of Afghanistan, you can bet those Muslims are going to start pouring into the rest of Europe and demand society bend to their own third world standards.

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    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    but some governments are so cucked they probably won't allow whites to return en masse.

    That's already the case with South African Whites. They're actually banned for applying for refugee status in Canada.

    https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/white-south-african-familys-refugee-bid-rejected-allegedly-boosted-case-with-white-supremacist-information

    The worst part about the story? The Canadian government claimed they're "white supremacists" and white people can't be victims of racism.

    A white family from South Africa has had their refugee claim for asylum in Canada rejected, having been accused of submitting “white-supremacist hate literature” to bolster their claims of violence by the black majority in their homeland. The Immigration and Refugee Board denied them refugee protection, saying there was no reliable evidence they were attacked due to their race, and it was more probable they were attacked for economic reasons — to steal their possessions.

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      [–]Ponderer 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Didn't Russia allow some South African farmers in?

      [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      That's already the case with South African Whites. They're actually banned for applying for refugee status in Canada.

      Some countries like Germany, Poland, and Greece have right of return laws. If you can prove your ethnic ancestry, they'll let you in. They need more people.

      [–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Yes and no. Just because they can't come as refugees doesn't mean they can't come. I've met some in person.

      [–]wuzizname 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

      Hey Friend, fellow Canuck here. While I agree with you, and how much it breaks my heart to re-visit places where I grew up (Southern Ontario / Toronto - go to the Yorkdale mall and see if you can even find a white person) - the only thing we have going for us is that we require the majority of the immigrants that come here to be fairly wealthy, considering the fact that you're not getting a house without 1million in the bank and immigration lawyers cost a lot.

      Also in my experience, again I'm in the thick of it in Southern Ontario, is that the families who come here WANT to be "white". I've experienced many 2nd and 3rd generation Indians who complain about the backwards Indians coming in now (one even told me he doesn't like going to Brampton because there's too many Indian people there).

      Where it becomes troubling is the amnesty / refugees / gibs-me-dat settlers who get a free pass to the front of the line, free house, free welfare. Africans and Middle Easterners primarily are not what I want here.

      Where will you and I go? Same place we've been going since our species left east Africa, North. Most people I know who are old and retiring are already going further North. My whole life I have migrated further and further North.

      And, while it bothers me, I can't agree with "white genocide" for the simple fact that white people choose to not have children. Social replacement, yeah, the biggest pyramid scheme ever concieved of (i.e. social security / old age pensions) have to be fed by young workers and with our birth rate of 1% white people cannot feed the pyramid - so, until we have more kids the boats will keep coming.

      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      And, while it bothers me, I can't agree with "white genocide" for the simple fact that white people choose to not have children. Social replacement, yeah, the biggest pyramid scheme ever concieved of (i.e. social security / old age pensions) have to be fed by young workers and with our birth rate of 1% white people cannot feed the pyramid - so, until we have more kids the boats will keep coming.

      If White people aren't having kids, the answer should have been to pay parents to raise them, while throwing in fines to those who skip their duty.

      Immigration does very little to solve this. In fact, it's the opposite. Throwing in immigrants actually uses up more social services. Go to a Toronto homeless shelter and 40% of them are made up of refugees.

      https://globalnews.ca/news/4710985/toronto-shelter-system-refugees/

      The Canadian government has also bought up hotels and rented them out to refugees as well.

      https://globalnews.ca/news/4621802/radisson-refugee-hotel-scarborough/

      Unless we made it law that immigrants must pay more than what they take in, we're only increasing the social burden.

      If we stopped immigration, we could focus on building more houses, which increases the supply and lowers the demand. Cost of living would go down and thus Canadians would have an easier time raising children.

      [–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      the majority of the immigrants that come here to be fairly wealthy

      That's just not true. Median income after being here for 10 years is less than $35,000.

      Scroll this page for income data

      https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/reports-statistics/research/annual-income-immigrants-relative-canadian-national-average-1981-2011.html

      Or this one. It's too much to copy paste. I'll see if I can summarize 0, 5, 10, 15, 20 years after landing averages.

      https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=4310000701

      Total numbers by category

      Year 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019
      Number of economic immigrants permitted 170,390 156,028 159,289 186,366 196,658
      Family Reunification Total 65,485 77,998 82,468 85,170 91,311
      Humanitarian and Compassionate 4,315 3,792 3,631 4,026 4,681
      Total Refugees and Protected Persons 32,114 58,914 41,121 45,493 48,530
      Total 272,304 296,732 286,509 321,055 341,180

      Family reunification breakdown

      Year 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019
      Spouse, partners and children admissions 49,997 60,955 61,973 67,140 69,298
      Parents and grandparents admissions 15,489 17,043 20,495 18,030 22,011
      total 65,486 77,998 82,468 85,170 91,309

      Economic immigrant breakdown

      Immigration Category 2019 Total
      Federal economic – Skilled 90,242
      Federal economic – Caregiver 9,807
      Federal economic – Business 1,336
      Atlantic Immigration Pilot Program 4,141
      Provincial Nominee Program 68,647
      Quebec skilled workers and business immigrants 22,485
      Economic Total 196,658

      2019 source countries, page 35

      https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/annual-report-parliament-immigration-2020.html

      Rank Country Total NumberFootnote37 Percentage Females Males
      1 India 85,593 25 41,163 44,430
      2 China, People's Republic of 30,246 9 16,890 13,356
      3 Philippines 27,818 8 15,342 12,476
      4 Nigeria 12,602 4 6,229 6,373
      5 Pakistan 10,793 3 5,240 5,553
      6 United States of America 10,780 3 5,562 5,218
      7 Syria 10,121 3 4,881 5,239
      8 Eritrea 7,030 2 3,156 3,874
      9 Korea, Republic of 6,103 2 3,413 2,690
      10 Iran 6,056 2 3,130 2,926
      Total Top 10 207,142 61 105,006 102,135
      All Other Source Countries 134,038 39 68,066 65,968
      Total 341,180 100 173,072 168,103

      [–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Politically, It doesn’t really matter if the immigrants are wealthy, high IQ or whatever. They’re still a hostile, foreign entity that is seizing power from you in your own lands.

      And, while it bothers me, I can't agree with "white genocide" for the simple fact that white people choose to not have children

      When the establishment against our will floods almost every European populated nation in the world to the point where we will be minorities within 30 years… yes it is a genocide.

      White people in their own countries shouldn’t have to compete with immigrants popping out 5 kids. We’re already hugely overpopulated & automation allows far less people to work than do currently. Most jobs today are useless & exist solely to keep the consumer-capitalist gravy train rolling. Also in a healthy society the elderly would be looked after at home by their family with their healthcare paid for by the state, which is entirely possible when we stop wasting trillions on multi-racialism, corporate hand outs & wars for Israel.

      so, until we have more kids the boats will keep coming.

      The boats will keep coming irrespective of how many kids we have - because those in power want white people to be replaced. It’s not some rational policy that will stop if we ask nicely. It’s ideologically driven & the only way to stop it is by removing the people in power from their positions.

      [–]Blackbrownfreestuff 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

      There is nowhere left to fall back to.

      [–]Nombre27 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

      Yes and no.

      People seem to erroneously assume borders are fixed. History indicates otherwise.

      Just my opinion, but as things get worse I think we'll see separatism and resentment grow. The hypocrisy of the acceptability of minority tribalism, who are not inhibited from acting on this very natural trait, either internally or externally, will become too glaring and to the detriment of EuroCanadians for them ignore.

      [–]Ponderer 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      I agree with this.

      A lot of people here hate libertarians, but there's something to be said about the "charter cities" they're attempting to create in third-world countries or in international waters.

      [–]Nombre27 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Orania is what we're headed to.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orania,_Northern_Cape

      [–]WhiteZealotWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Orania won't be allowed to exist for much longer. I give it 5 years max.

      [–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Hopefully it lasts. Time will tell.

      [–]Nombre27 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

      It won't be 10 years until Whites are a minority in Canada, closer to between 2035-2040 based on data from current mortality, immigration, and birth rates. Kind of a moot point though considering the future of the country is based on the demographics of the young and immigration. The boomers might as well all be dead today, it wouldn't make much of a difference as far as any political solutions or resistance goes.

      At best it's a window to be taken advantage of to organize and prepare.

      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

      It won't be 10 years until Whites are a minority in Canada, closer to between 2035-2040 based on data from current mortality, immigration, and birth rates.

      Look at the only places where you can even own a home or have a high paying job? The Toronto area is perhaps the only livable part of Ontario, and the the last census in 2016 showed it was 47% White.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Toronto#Ethnic_diversity

      If a political party can't win the GTA, they might as well just give up. The entire national and economic policies are being dictated by this golden horseshoe.

      Same with Vancouver or Montreal. Those places are already close to half white and it's where all the high paying jobs are.

      [–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

      Western Canadians simply need to realize that the demographic distribution of this country negates them from actually having any political power federally, i.e. so why continue participating in a system that de facto does not allow your participation? Separatism is the only solution to that problem.

      Most Canadians outside the GTA don't give a shit about Toronto. I couldn't care less about it and neither should you. Perhaps you live there, but as you've quite clearly stated, it's not the place for you to be putting down roots if you care about what the future will look like. I know the sunk cost fallacy all too well and that's often one reason why people are hesitant to leave but once you do, you're literally free of the pull from that blackhole.

      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      Even if we all left Toronto, the damage has been done already. Look at this:

      Total Canadian Births in 2020: 374,885

      https://www.statista.com/statistics/443051/number-of-births-in-canada/

      Total Immigrants (before Pandemic): 341,000 permanent residents + 30,000 refugees, + 402,000 students + 404,000 TFWs

      https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/annual-report-parliament-immigration-2020.html

      There are more foreigners than Native citizens being born. How do we house these people or share jobs? They're buying up every piece of land in this country and charging higher rent. Wherever you run, they're just going to follow you.

      [–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      We're a large country and people are mobile.

      I suggest sticking to a general separatist strategy and advocating for political autonomy from the east.

      If I owned some land where people could move to and get away from places like the GTA, would you relocate?

      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      If it could guarantee the same quality of life, sure.

      Remember, people still stick with Toronto because it offers them a chance at saving money so they could try relocating later.

      [–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      If it could guarantee the same quality of life, sure.

      Remaining in those places pretty much guarantees a lower quality of life in the long run. You will become a minority or already are, you will not have any preferential treatment in your job and will likely be discriminated against (see s15.2 of the Charter which already allows this), so what exactly do you have to lose? Start building the future you want somewhere where you will have autonomy and sustainability.

      [–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      if I could guarantee the same quality of life, sure.

      There’s your problem mate. The liberal-capitalist system relies on people being too comfortable to act or think of anything beyond buying more stuff.

      If there gonna be change it will come with hard times, at least at first. Canada’s huge (speaking as a Scot), there’s plenty of places to build a life, though I wouldn’t blame you either for taking your family & leaving.

      [–]WhiteZealotWhite Nationalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      As an American, I will stay for as long as there is a white-majority state, and I will work for legal secession (it's legal according to the 10th Amendment). If every state is lost, I will move to the whitest polity on Earth. If all polities on Earth are lost, I will join with other white nationalists and go live as far north as possible, even as nomads if necessary.

      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      And I forgot the worst part. For the next 10 years, there is no democratic path towards recognizing White nationalism.

      Just in the news lately, a watchdog group got a political member of the PPC fired, just for making some meme accounts online.

      https://www.antihate.ca/ppc_riding_director_runs_multiple_white_nationalist_social_accounts

      And all the immigrants only want to vote for is the Liberal Party, because Trudeau plans to increase immigration to nearly 500,000+ a year. The moment anyone says this is too much or it must be slowed down, will immediately get you cancelled or fired from your job.

      [–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      It's my homeland. Yes, I will stay until death.