What would you say is the timeline of jewish solidication of power in the us?

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[–]Salos60000Pragmatic European Nationalism[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and Germany declared war.

[–]Chipit 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

FDR cut Japan off from its oil supply, an act that he knew meant war.

He also fought an undeclared war against Germany in the Atlantic. It was mentioned in the declaration of war.

All so the bankers' investments in Europe could be saved. Germany sure wasn't going to pay back those loans.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

FDR cut Japan off from its oil supply, an act that he knew meant war.

Devil's advocate, by why does America have an obligation to supply any country with oil in war time?

Not that I support either side in the Japan/China conflict (especially as China would go on to become Communist which was far worse), but from a neutrality point of view, America helping Japan violated that.

[–]Chipit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Because cutting a country off from its energy supply is an act of war. War is bad, mmmkay?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Because cutting a country off from its energy supply is an act of war.

Japan doesn't own America. If they want oil, they could always build their own pumps, or buy it from someone else.

[–]Chipit 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

OK now you are just deliberately trolling. Build their own pumps, uh-huh. That would have done it.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So you really believe Japan had rights to America's natural resources? I like Japan but I'm not stupid. Like I said, they should have addressed that problem earlier on, rather than trying to fight a two-front war against both China and the U.S.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Not only did Roosevelt break trade treaties which were mutually beneficial with the Japanese because of his pathetic and misguided affection for the Chinese he collaborated with British and the Dutch and their eastern colonies to do the same. In other words Japan a country reliant on imports to maintain its industrial and war economy was now left with no ther choice than to attack. There was now effectively a total embargo on imports vital for them sustaining their nation. That is an act of war. Plain and simple.

Of course this is exactly what Roosevelt, Stimson and others wanted -- this is all well known now and even mainstream historians acknowledge it -- and its exactly what they got. Your points about 'Why don't they just build their own pumps' and 'well America doesn't have to sell its oil to anyone' are bizarre and totally miss the bigger picture.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't deny that Japan wanted their oil. I just deny that they have an inalienable right to it.

Of course any future enemy would use this to their advantage, because it's treated as leverage.