We are losing badly

submitted by peaceful✞ from self.debatealtright

I have to pessimistic -pill you. We are fighting an ideological war to save our race and losing. Every mention of anything good for whites gets met with unanimous cries of "nazi!" and "racist!" from normie whites. They don't realize they are brainwashed like Pavlov's dog to have this response to anything white positive. Everywhere I speak on the internet I am banned.

Every year whites seem to get more and more rabidly anti-white, and it's been this way for decades.

This brainwashing mainly occurred through television, and therefore you would need a constant propaganda output equal to a television channel to begin to undo it.

Some of you have said you are seeing success in speaking to normies but I think none of you can prove it by linking a normie comment section where normies actually agreed with you.

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[–]sylla94 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

demoralization, pessimism and nihilism is gay and cringe

i reject it regardless of circumstance

[–]Ponderer 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Based take.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Battles. We are losing battles. Keep your eyes on the prize. I like to look at this darkness as a necessary stage. You can't undo a lifetime of brainwashing with a few slideshows. People need to experience genuine danger and hardship before they start looking for alternative explanations for their conditions. Then they need even more suffering before they realize the necessity of e pluribus unum. We need to reconcile the fact that not everyone will rekindle their will to survive. Many will go down with the ship and the icy water will bite and feel strange and their suffering will be short.

If we survive the race will be strong and the men full of vigor and strength. In fact we should thank the Jews for giving us this opportunity to reacquaint ourselves with the unforgiving brutality of nature.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

"In fact we should thank the Jews for giving us this opportunity to reacquaint ourselves with the unforgiving brutality of nature."

I won't thank the Jew for something I already knew. Otherwise, I agree wholeheartedly with your comment.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Good point. However, it is easy to forget about nature when we live in cities and industrial society.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is true, and many of my peers have easily forgotten about the reality of nature, the brutality and the positivity. Nature offers both, if you know where to look.

[–]Ponderer 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Wow, is there anyone who didn't already know all this?

What exactly was the point of making this post?

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Nothing. All this person does is indulge in sad-sack demoralisation posts. It's pointless and self-defeating. BTW I've appreciated your attempts recently to focus on pro-active and result focused discussions. Makes a welcome change from the doom mongers.

[–]Ponderer 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Thanks, I really appreciate it. I do what I can.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Keep asking the questions!

[–]Ponderer 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Will do, are there any topics in particular you'd like to see?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am into DIY homesteading, and so are a few other users here, so if you have any questions about that, I'm certain you'd generate quality discussions.

[–]peaceful✞[S] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

Yes, the point is none of you know it. That's why all we usually hear is optimism from the alt right: we're always "winning" and "about to win." Plus I wanted to prove that none of you are having successes. The bigger point is to encourage you to do something about the white problem.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's why all we usually hear is optimism from the alt right: we're always "winning" and "about to win."

You're confusing the alt right with boomer conservatives.

[–]Ponderer 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

we're always "winning" and "about to win."

Show me any post on this sub that has ever said this.

I can't find any made in the past week. Or in the past month. I can find exactly one in the past year, and it was made 11 months ago. I challenge you to find any others.

Go ahead, prove your point to me. I dare you.

The bigger point is to encourage you to do something about the white problem.

I'm going to be honest with you. Your mind works differently than other people's.

I don't know what's different about your mind, but you are not having the effect you intend to have, and you can't seem to realize it, even though many people have told you otherwise.

Look at the top-rated responses to your post. Do those seem like "encouraged" people? No, they are all calling you a demoralization shill.

Maybe you think that you are in the right, and everyone else is in the wrong. But that's like saying "I'm great at communicating, everyone else is just bad at listening." At some point, you have to recognize that your attempts aren't just falling flat, they are backfiring and being rejected aggressively.

I'm not sure if you know this, but when the average person goes to the gym, they often listen to motivational tracks to pump them up. These include affirmations like "You have the power!" "Keep it up!" "Every day is another victory!" "Don't give up!" "Getting stronger every day!" "Have a positive attitude!" Stuff like that. That's what the average person sees as encouraging.

If you go to the gym, do you put on a track that says "You're failing badly," "Every day you grow weaker and weaker," "You look in the mirror and see no progress," "Nothing you've done has succeeded," "Be pessimistic," "Everything you try meets failure"?

People are calling you a shill because you can't seem to understand that.

[–]peaceful✞[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Do you or do you not think the conditions of western countries are pessimistic? Why should discussing those conditions be problematic to you?

Look at the top-rated responses to your post. Do those seem like "encouraged" people? No, they are all calling you a demoralization shill.

I don't mind being attacked for being right. "Shill" is uncalled for since I obviously have with good intentions. Reality is a blackpill, so how are you going to fix it without admitting it? If there were hope I would admit it, and I've said there can be hope if we create it, so how is that shilling? What if there is no hope for precisely the reasons I've outlined: sedentary activism of the altright? Saying so would merely be an attempt to correct the course.

Show me any post on this sub that has ever said this.

I was speaking about the altright in general over the past 20 years, I've seen countless posts on forums where people say we're winning. We were about to win for sure when Golden Dawn won. We were winning when Trump was running for office. We're currently "doing great" because a pitiful 10% of whites agreed with the altright in a recent poll. Etc.

I am looking at white genocide and how to solve it realistically and I don't see things improving.

If you go to the gym, do you put on a track that says...

Sometimes people listen to sad music to make themselves feel better.

People with depression feel better after listening to sad music, research suggests https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/4/18528349/depression-music-sad-emotion-psychology-health

[–]Ponderer 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

"Shill" is uncalled for since I obviously have with good intentions.

You don't "obviously" have good intentions if most people believe you have bad intentions behind these posts. What's "obvious" about it if everyone is calling you out?

"I'm really great at communicating my point of view, it's just that everyone else sucks at understanding me!"

At what point will you understand: if no one else gets your message, then the way you are communicating is the problem?

I've said there can be hope if we create it, so how is that shilling?

Where did you say this, just now?

What if there is no hope for precisely the reasons I've outlined: sedentary activism of the altright?

You know what would be cool? If you were making posts saying "Here is specifically what we're doing wrong now, here is specifically what we could be doing better."

You know, instead of "We are losing badly, we should be pessimistic, we should be blackpilled, we've been losing ground for decades, I don't see things improving, oh woe is me" with zero solutions like you've been doing.

I've seen countless posts on forums where people say we're winning.

Oh yeah?

Point out a post on this sub that says this. Not a comment, a post, and one other than the one I mentioned.

Can you find even one from this week? This month? This year?

I'll give you a hint: you can't, because it's all demoralizing blackpill shit like what you've been posting.

Sometimes people listen to sad music to make themselves feel better.

This is pure unadulterated desperation.

You know that gym example is ridiculous, and yet it's exactly what you're doing.

This study doesn't even prove your point. It goes directly against you because the sad people felt more "relaxed" and "calm" after listening to the sad music, not energized or interested in changing things.

You say you're here to blackpill and make people pessimistic in one moment, and now you say you're here to make people "feel better". BS.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

To be fair, guy mentioned utilizing media as a way to reach out. He might be from a different age demographic where TV reaches people, since you would technically have to convince those people as well if you were interested in having a stronger interest towards your cause. He also made several points about white people pushing back against racism or what is publicly perceived as racism, and he's not wrong. That's not exactly blackpilled, that's understanding the psychology of what people will do to avoid potential discomfort and disruption of their lifestyle. People do absolutely retarded shit to avoid social stigma and all of the repercussions that come along with it, even if a point made makes 120% sense. They will go out of their way to rationalize bad ideas for the same reasons, to try to convince themselves that at least parts of something are good to make themselves feel better about it, and then go on to distract with something else.

He's banned now, so it doesn't matter much for the next 2 weeks anyway.

[–]Ponderer 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

He also made several points about white people pushing back against racism or what is publicly perceived as racism, and he's not wrong.

Maybe, but he wasn't really formulating that as a logical statement of fact, as some kind of revelation, or as part of a rational argument. It was more just presented as something to be "pessimistic" or depressed about.

That's not exactly blackpilled, that's understanding the psychology of what people will do to avoid potential discomfort and disruption of their lifestyle.

But he explicitly states in his last post "Reality is a blackpill"

He has also made statements like "Yes, that's why there's no foreseeable hope, whites are too stupid to save their race." and things like that very frequently. He often says that there is nothing that can be done, or that all activism is useless. Only when pushed to the limit will he give any solutions, and even then it's utterly non-specific non-answers like "work hard", "put up flyers", or "use television".

I would give this guy the benefit of the doubt if he titled this post "We are losing badly, but here's how we can turn things around" and actually offered solutions. Or even if he came out and admitted he was blackpilled and gave well-sourced reasons why. But instead he plays this weird game of openly demoralizing, and then jumping back and saying "oh, actually I'm trying to encourage you."

At the very least it feels like he's misrepresenting his positions.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

There's kind of a lot going on in the world to be depressed and pessimistic about, so it's understandable for folks to express that even outside of the contexts within your sub. If his posts seem that suspicious or wishy washy, I guess that makes sense to question the integrity of them. He could just legitimately be god awful at explaining his points though. No clue.

[–]shilldetector 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Ever notice almost all the shills here have the same basic writing style and patterns. This ones pretty obvious, nearly every comment he makes is meant to demoralize. I think there's like 2 of them that continuously spam this sub that are responsible for just about all the troll accounts, this one and possibly another one.

[–]Ponderer 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for pointing this out. I think you're totally right on this guy.

There's a handful here who don't post anything but demoralization posts. It's a little suspicious.

[–]peaceful✞[S] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

It's called facing reality, if the alt right did so instead of spewing undue optimism they might make gains. Also, calling everyone a shill is the real demoralization. I said nothing anti-white to deserve being called a shill. Calling pro-whites shills for explaining how bad things are makes you the shill.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Why are you presenting the internet as public opinion for the entire world?

[–]peaceful✞[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

You really don't think it represents the masses?

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No.

[–]Ponderer 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Right on.

There was a study done on Twitter recently, and it found that it has a greater leftist bias than every US state. The only exception was Washington DC, which iirc votes 90+% Democratic.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

DC is filled with Democratic bureaucrats.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Communist subreddit that bans anyone to the right of socdems:

https://old.reddit.com/r/Denmark/comments/p4z6la/n%C3%B8rrebro_pride_holder_%C3%A5bningsfest_l%C3%A6nge_leve/
https://old.reddit.com/r/Denmark/comments/p6qdb4/jurist_om_n%C3%B8rrebro_pridearrangement_hvor_hvide_og/
https://old.reddit.com/r/Denmark/comments/p897w6/halime_oguz_vi_bliver_n%C3%B8dt_til_at_tale_om_nogle/
https://old.reddit.com/r/Denmark/comments/pcxjfq/n%C3%B8rrebro_pride_en_raceopdelt_demonstration_mod/
https://old.reddit.com/r/Denmark/comments/p63ao6/stramme_adgangskrav_til_pridefest_m%C3%B8der_kritik/
https://old.reddit.com/r/Denmark/comments/p8yffg/til_n%C3%B8rrebro_pride_move_straights_get_out_the_way/
https://old.reddit.com/r/Denmark/comments/p7boa9/forskelsbehandler_vi_vold_og_racisme_ud_fra/

[–]peaceful✞[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This video could be Denmark's future if you don't have a full government awakening, this is American media. Video showing how brainwashed whites are with anti-whiteism, and how anti-white the media and society are.

https://files.catbox.moe/r0y082.mp4

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Explain?

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Danish leftist normies pushing back against the antiwhite propaganda and calling it antiwhite and ridiculing it for what it is: antiwhite.

A lot of pro-white sarcastic jokes about white men.

[–]peaceful✞[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks. I read some of the threads and see there is a modicum of racial solidarity there. But remember, anti-racism is always at the door ready to destroy your people and I'm not sure your society is naming anti-racism and working to outlaw it specifically.

[–]Bagarmoossen 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Dumb, useless, lazy and gay post. Our ideas are slowly but surely infiltrating the mainstream right. Especially in France, America and Southern Europe. I do not believe we can save the West without a major war, and that is exactly what we are moving towards.

Also, consider more American whites have a negative opinion of BLM now than before that filthy useless nigger dying last year. There was a surge in positive views that is already fading. Biden is failing miserably and that is bound to reverse the left-turn we saw under Trump as well. I'd put my money on France electing Zemmour next year (who despite being Jewish - not of the Ashkenazi strain at least - openly talks about anti-white racism, the great replacement and pretty much every other theme that is important to us).

[–]peaceful✞[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Your opinion that alt-right is infiltrating America's mainstream right discredits everything else you said because it is patently false. Most whites are still anti-racist regardless of BLM. There's no mainstream in America that doesn't fiercely oppose white nationalist beliefs. Trumpism isn't white nationalist. You thinking that we're about to win is precisely why this post is productive, you echo so much of the alt-right's delusional optimism. Hope could exist but the alt-right would have to create it first.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You have 6 hours to respond to my inquires or make a post walking us through why you're not a demoralization shill. If you refuse you're banned for a week for rule 2 and rule 3 violations.

[–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

https://votal.net/c/debatealtright

Off topic ITT, but I believe this new site died a week or two ago. All links to it I've tried return this:

No input file specified.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Probably a good thing. I lost my password to my sns account on there so I couldn't access our sub to manage it anyway. Thanks for the heads up that it's down though. Let me know if you see alternatives pop up. Ruqqus is the still the main backup but I don't really see that site going anywhere either.

[–]Ponderer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've noticed that too. I think the admin said on Ruqqus that he's updating it. Still, not great news for the fledgling site.

[–]TheJamesRocket 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Every year whites seem to get more and more rabidly anti-white, and it's been this way for decades.

Correction: Every year liberals seem to get more and more rabidly anti-white.

Some of you have said you are seeing success in speaking to normies

And thats due to the simple fact that we aren't reaching the normies. The alt-right has been subjected to full spectrum censorship. Our ideas are not reaching the public, and most of the people here aren't actually interested in reaching out. We should be making a greater effort to covert normie conservatives.

[–]peaceful✞[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Video showing how brainwashed whites are with anti-whiteism, and how anti-white the media

and society are.

https://files.catbox.moe/r0y082.mp4

[–]thefirststoneThat's my purse! I don't know you! 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Maybe the counter-propaganda already exists in back catalogs, the type of subversive-to-marxism liberalism that Disney edits away (and "banned" "racist" cartoons). I'm not sure how to make use of that, other than with novel "piracy" platforms.

[–]Ponderer 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Could you expand on what you mean by this?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

At the end of the day, the bell curve holds the real truth about race realism, and getting rid of Whites has always lead to societies falling into disrepair.

So these people who vote for multiculturalism are still damning themselves to a future of neo-Brazil or South Africa. They'll get their come uppance when every neighborhood turns into a drug war and it becomes impossible to go jogging outside.