Blackpill content is a form of psychological warfare and rightists should be extremely wary of it.

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[–]peaceful✞ 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

The benefit to recognizing and stating problems as bad as they are is to generate thought about solutions, and to create awareness about the need for action.

For example, saying "whites are too stupid about race to save their race" raises awareness and helps direct people towards tackling it.

Of course some people might give up when failure or problems are admitted but such people aren't going to be effective anyway.

I don't believe false optimism is usually beneficial. If you are dedicated to the cause why would you take your ball and go home just because there is not much hope?

If you have awareness about racial reality and jews there is no giving up, because a world where the altright loses is a hellscape.

[–]Ponderer[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Let me break this down.

to create awareness about the need for action.

This awareness already exists. The dissident right has existed in its current form for at least half a decade, possibly longer. I'd be extremely surprised if anyone on this sub is new to these ideas or needs additional motivation that they are correct.

Is there really anyone here who is unsure that we're in a bad situation that we need to get out of? If so, why?

generate thought about solutions

Thought about potential solutions would be excellent. Unfortunately this thought is in very short supply, and blackpill posts don't seem to have anything to do with practical solutions. If anything they're mutually exclusive - blackpill posts discourage action, dampen enthusiasm, and increase fear.

Take a quick scan of the frontpage of this sub, and note how many posts discuss problems, versus how many suggest solutions or even actions of any kind. Posts about problems completely overwhelm posts about solutions.

saying "whites are too stupid about race to save their race" raises awareness and helps direct people towards tackling it.

I don't understand. A statement like that is clearly fatalistic and discourages any sort of productive action.

If you take that statement at face value, there is no point in encouraging whites to do anything. If you assert that white people are just idiots and cannot be saved, then where can you possibly go from there? What solution can be proposed?

How is a statement like that anything other than demoralizing and demotivating?

Of course some people might give up when failure or problems are admitted but such people aren't going to be effective anyway.

If a community does nothing but talk about their failures and problems, it would be enough to make anyone break over a long enough period of time.

Imagine telling someone "you're going to fail and die" over and over, multiple times a day. For the first few days or weeks they might be motivated to resist. But after hearing this for months or even years, they will eventually succumb and start to agree - "I guess you're right, I will fail and die."

Why do you see that as a good thing to do?

I don't believe false optimism is usually beneficial.

Being realistic is important. Hyperfocusing on the negatives is not realistic.

If you are dedicated to the cause why would you take your ball and go home just because there is not much hope?

Why is trying to drill hopelessness into people who agree with you the goal?

there is no giving up, because a world where the altright loses is a hellscape.

If you work overtime 24/7 to convince people that winning is impossible, and expose them to only the most negative news, then eventually they will believe you and give up by default. If they believe hellscape is inevitable no matter what they do, why bother working to prevent it? Why wouldn't they turn their backs on you and enjoy what time they have?

This makes no sense at all. Again, look at my analogy of wartime propaganda. Every country that has ever put up a fight has used rousing slogans like "We don't stand alone", "God is with us", "We can do it!"

I have never seen a country using a motto like "Our people are stupid and we can't be saved." Why would that work at all?

[–]peaceful✞ 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

This awareness already exists.

The altright does not realize most of the problem is whites. The altright has often thought they were about to win no matter how bad things got. I advocate being realistic.

blackpill posts discourage action, dampen enthusiasm, and increase fear.

There's a reason successful political campaigns are based on fear, it motivates people to vote. It doesn't dampen their enthusiasm.

How can you address white stupidity about race without stating it? The start of change is the articulation of problems.

If you assert that white people are just idiots and cannot be saved, then where can you possibly go from there? What solution can be proposed?

I expect the altright to work hard at waking whites, not give up and say "Nothing can be done about white stupidity."

trying to drill hopelessness into people

Many things in life are impossible or near-impossible. White genocide is somewhat hopeless but not impossible if many people work hard to wake whites. But that brings up another blackpill: the altright won't do the necessary hard work of waking whites. A few leaders can't do the heavy lifting.

Hyperfocusing on the negatives is not realistic.

I don't advocate for hyperfocusing on the negatives. I never said work 24/7 to convince people that winning is impossible.

Every country that has ever put up a fight has used rousing slogans like "We don't stand alone", "God is with us", "We can do it!"

There has never been a war where the army thought they themselves are the enemy, as whites now think of themselves. What if in the war on ISIS the US army attacked itself, claiming that was the highest moral good, and then attacked you if you tried to convince them of their fault? That would be a problem of stupidity and treachery. Yet that is what whites are doing to themselves. Such a problem would have to be articulated in order to be solved.

I experience many white people giving resistance to white nationalism every day. They will insult, threaten, deplatform, get you fired from your job, etc. in order for the white race to die. There is case to be made that whites deserve most of the blame for this anti-whiteism.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There has never been a war where the army thought they themselves are the enemy, as whites now think of themselves. What if in the war on ISIS the US army attacked itself, claiming that was the highest moral good, and then attacked you if you tried to convince them of their fault? That would be a problem of stupidity and treachery. Yet that is what whites are doing to themselves. Such a problem would have to be articulated in order to be solved.

What is your solution to this?

I experience many white people giving resistance to white nationalism every day. They will insult, threaten, deplatform, get you fired from your job, etc. in order for the white race to die.

All of those people think they are just deplatoforming and firing a 'racist' they don't think they are killing the white race. That's quite hyperbolic to think that.

There is case to be made that whites deserve most of the blame for this anti-whiteism.

I don't really understand what you mean by this. Please expand on this. How are whites to blame for anti whitism?? Anti whitism is clearly pushed by jews. Even progressive white don't really openly push anti white slogans and phrases unless really pushed into it. They normally let other non whites and Jews do the anti white stuff. Much of the anti white stuff is often framed in a way that a progressive liberal doesn't really see it as evil. It just seems like anti colonialism and other 'restorative justice' type ideas. I'm really curious as to your explanation for how whites, as a group, are responsible.

[–]peaceful✞ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You told me I have to respond to why I'm not a shill or be banned. That's the problem, if a shill calls a prowhite a shill you get anxious and start banning the accused. Only two people called me a shill, and shilldetector calls everyone he disagrees with a shill. This thread already explains why I'm not a shill. Calling people shills who have never said anything untrue or anti-white is the real demoralization.

What is your solution to this?

In most threads I've discussed the white problem I've also posted how to fix it, that of massive distribution of propaganda. We got in this mess through (television) propaganda so it follows we could fix it the same way.

All of those people think they are just deplatoforming and firing a 'racist' they don't think they are killing the white race

Not all, but I agree many don't know it, yet destroying the white race is still the effect they are having.

Please expand on this. How are whites to blame for anti whitism?? Anti whitism is clearly pushed by jews. Even progressive white don't
really openly push anti white slogans and phrases unless really pushed into it. They normally let other non whites and Jews do the anti white stuff. Much of the anti white stuff is often framed in a way that a progressive liberal doesn't really see it as evil. It just seems like anti colonialism and other 'restorative justice' type ideas. I'm really curious as to your explanation for how whites, as a group, are responsible.

This is the reason I think we need to reach whites with propaganda. They alone ultimately determine their destiny. Have you watched television in the last 40 years? It is full of whites espousing/propagandizing anti-racism, and anti-racism is a code word for anti-white. Most whites have this vociferous anti-racism that convinces them to oppose the alt-right. I think 90% of whites disagree with the alt-right according to a recent poll you probably recall. Even the conservative right supports white erasure/white genocide precisely because of their anti-racism. Fox News is fully on board with unlimited immigration and forced diversity, and I personally experience that whites on the internet reflect what whites on tv think perfectly.

As I said, the main point of my thread was to prove the people on DAE aren't having success in waking up whites, and for the most part I think I proved it. But I also wanted to vent. Overall this issue of the white problem is of primary importance to saving the white race, that's why I feel justified in debating the altright about the severity of it even if I am attacked for it.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's the problem, if a shill calls a prowhite a shill you get anxious and start banning the accused.

That's a divisive comment. Multiple people have asked you to provide more answer oriented posts. I've reviewed your post history as well.

This thread already explains why I'm not a shill

You didn't do a very good job.

Calling people shills who have never said anything untrue or anti-white is the real demoralization.

One of the common attacks on our spaces are 'demoralization attacks'. People come in an post as much negative content as possible. They don't ask questions. They don't pose solutions. They never comment in other threads. They just attack, attack, attack with endless pessimism, negativity and tactical nihilism. You've done it very subtly here again with your 'I've discussed the 'white problem'' framing.

They alone ultimately determine their destiny

You keep using 'they' are you not white?

This is the reason I think we need to reach whites with propaganda

Lazy and overly generalized point. We do not control the 'television' and nobody really watches television anymore. Everyone under 40 is a cord cutter. We talk about Jewish control over media production all the time yet you never bring them up.

I think 90% of whites disagree with the alt-right according to a recent poll you probably recall.

Alt right views are in the minority put it's a LOT higher then 10% and with the right framing the majority of whites probably agree with many of our points. Maybe not all but many.

It is full of whites espousing/propagandizing anti-racism, and anti-racism is a code word for anti-white. Most whites have this vociferous anti-racism that convinces them to oppose the alt-right. I think 90% of whites disagree with the alt-right according to a recent poll you probably recall. Even the conservative right supports white erasure/white genocide precisely because of their anti-racism.

Everyone on this sub is already VERY familiar with these points.

As I said, the main point of my thread was to prove the people on DAE aren't having success in waking up whites,

It's "DAR" which stand for debate alt right. Our sub isn't a propaganda outlet. We are a debate group. If we wake people ups it's one at a time through a slow process or rationalization, evidence and appeal to common sense morality. There's really no way to track how many people we are waking up with this sub so your claim that we are 'failing' is just another demoralization.

Regardless of if you are genuine or not I think you've misrepresented yourself and you also need some time to reflect on what you really believe. If you are genuine spend some time away from DAR looking for solutions and reading about action and solution oriented people. You have a 2 week ban. If you come back to dar please present all your negative arguments and claims in one thread every other week or so. Do not sit day in and day out sniping and demoralizing. If you do not follow that recommendation you will be banned permanently.

Your ban will start tomorrow morning. You can respond publicly to this comment if you'd like.