What is our Victory Scenario?

submitted by TheJamesRocket from self.debatealtright

Is there any realistic scenario which will result in racial nationalists taking control in America (or Europe)? Is it even a faint possibility?

 

The victory scenario that I always believed in was based around the collapse of the United States. My reasoning was that once the U.S. undergoes another economic crisis, there will be a hyperinflation of the U.S. dollar. This will lead to countrys around the globe ditching the dollar, ending its status as a world reserve currency. This would then result in the collapse of the U.S. empire and the government itself. After this, there would be a period of violence and chaos lasting several years, as different groups struggle to take control in America. Eventually, the country would split along ethnic lines, resulting in the formation of several nation states.

In this Balkanised landscape, a racial nationalist party would take control of one of the nation states, and provide a safe haven for white conservatives. They would eventually remove the Jewish oligarchs from power and tear down their institutions. This includes not just the alphabet soup agencys, but all the international banks. Meanwhile, Europe itself would be freed from the grip of the U.S. empire, and nationalist partys there would gradually be able to retake control of their countrys. In this way, both America and Europe would be saved from racial marginalisation (or even extinction).

 

I have always believed this was the most likely scenario that would lead to our victory. But now, my faith in it has been shaken to the core. One of our members on DebateAltRight believes that the Jewish oligarchs have already succeeded in taking control of China, or are in a position to do so. If what he says is true, then that completely ruins the credibility of my scenario. If America collapses, the elites would just transfer their flag over to China and continue using the system of international finance to rule the world. In effect, they would merely be transferring their headquarters from Washington to Beijing. They would be able to continue suppressing any uprisings in the West. If true, this is an absolute nightmare scenario. It might very well represent their final, complete victory. The elites would be able to impose Neofeudalism on the entire world and rule unchallenged forever. No exaggeration. It would be the end of history as we know it.

 

So what are your thoughts? Is China really controlled by the Jewish oligarchs? If so, then how is there any other outcome other than inevitable defeat waiting for us?

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[–]Oingo 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Our paramount condition of victory is to have the right to ethnic self-determination, and a nation-state clause, codified in law. Basically, we want exactly what Israel has.

Imo any other cultural, religious, economic goals are secondary.

China is not our ally since the ccp has historically utterly despised ethnic identity, and they would more likely than not promote globohomo in the west to weaken our nations.

Lets be real. There won’t be a sudden redpilling moment in the US or UK. At best, there will be pockets and enclaves of pro-white communities popping up as the situation worsens. Think of something along the lines of the amish.

Mainland Europe has much better prospects. France, Italy, and Germany are at their boiling point, Poland, Ukraine, and many Balkan countries are already de-facto ethnostates.

We don’t need total domination. We just need to survive and build communities at this stage.

[–]TheJamesRocket[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Our paramount condition of victory is to have the right to ethnic self-determination, and a nation-state clause, codified in law. Basically, we want exactly what Israel has.

Yes, but how do we achieve that? We don't even control our own countrys at this point. Theres no sign that we are even on the path to doing so.

China is not our ally since the ccp has historically utterly despised ethnic identity, and they would more likely than not promote globohomo in the west to weaken our nations.

China is obviously not an ally. But they have shown a certain degree of nationalism and ethnocentrism. There is a possibility that they may not support the globalist agenda. The Chinese have displayed hostility to LGBT, feminism, and multiculturalism. This is an encouraging sign.

Lets be real. There won’t be a sudden redpilling moment in the US or UK. At best, there will be pockets and enclaves of pro-white communities popping up as the situation worsens. Think of something along the lines of the amish.

If America collapses, the most likely outcome will be division along racial lines. This would not be an undesirable scenario at all. It could lead to the emergence of a pro-white nation state in the former U.S. This entity could go on to eventually conquer the rest of the Balkanised nation states and reform America, but on the basis of racial nationalism.

Mainland Europe has much better prospects. France, Italy, and Germany are at their boiling point, Poland, Ukraine, and many Balkan countries are already de-facto ethnostates.

Europeans will only be able to take control of their countrys if America collapses, and if the system of international finance is disrupted. Otherwise, the globalist elites would simply surpress whatever uprising takes place there.

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

the right to ethnic self-determination

Yes, but how do we achieve that?

We START with the Congressional White Caucus, White Men's club, etc. ANYONE that says THAT'S EVIL, can go fuck themselves.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How about a white boycott of the political process until we get either an exclusive pro white party or a pro white caucus? As the sentiment grew (and voter participation dropped) it would make elites very nervous and some enterprising young political talent very tempted...

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

ANYONE that says THAT'S EVIL, can go fuck themselves.

Needs to be silenced and repent

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes, but how do we achieve that? We don't even control our own countrys at this point. Theres no sign that we are even on the path to doing so.

A country is a social construct. It is imaginary lines drawn on a map. We need to just will our ethnostate into existence. Gather families, create communities, create our own laws, make our own institutions. Once the basic infrastructure is in place, then we can expand and take over their institutions. Guard our communities with walls, weapons, militias.

Then we need to create thousands of these communities across the world.

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    [–]TheJamesRocket[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The Alt-Right manifesto :)

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    Here's the only route I see right now.

    Independent media breaks more and more people away from the Jews controlled psychological prison.

    Right wing states and regions straight up defy increasingly insane federal mandates.

    Balkanization of the country occurs.

    Balkanization leads to white areas prospering while mixed race leftist areas wallow. More whites move to implicitly pro white balkanized areas.

    Federal government get's even more draconian in an attempt to reign in break away regions. The persecution is impossible to hide from the normie populace. Small scale armed struggles result from Fed overreach. Feds realize they are forced let these dissident regions go. Country dissolves. New world order becomes tyrannical over regions they do control and wages a cold war on dissident regions. New world war results when dissident regions are forced to ally with friendly foreign powers.

    This is all assuming the vaccine doesn't cause a major population drop.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    Here's something I don't get about the balkanization scenario.

    America has a massive military. From nukes, to aircrafts, to naval carriers. That's not something that can ever be split up or shared peaceful. The closest scenario was the breakup of the USSR, but even then Eastern Europe tried that and they still have problems. Like Ukraine giving up their nukes basically allowed Russia to invade them now...

    I just don't see America or any other nuclear armed Western country breaking themselves up without addressing this elephant in the room.

    Balkanization leads to white areas prospering while mixed race leftist areas wallow.

    This is assuming they're not put in some landlocked territory, that's devoid of any real resources and they need permission to access sea ports (i.e how are they going to get oil to keep the rest of society running?). Kinda like the rust belt right now. As a community, they'll do fine. But they're definitely not going to prosper economically.

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    Nuclear technology is real. Nuclear power is real but I'm not so sure nuclear weapons are as prolific or dangerous as the US military and the mockingbird media says they are. Joe Atwill from the the Powers and Principalities podcast with Tim Kelly thinks Hiroshima and Nagasaki were hit with fire bombs not nukes. Regardless, no world power would allow their use as they could destabilize the entire ecosystem. Basically I don't think the nuclear question is really going to be a big issue. There will be millions of white engineer types in the balkanized areas that can build nuclear weapons if needed. The ethnostate wouldn't really have or need an 'arsenal'. All any potential world nation needs is enough rudimentary nukes to do what Israel does and ensure some type of Samson scenario for anyone that attacks.

    This is assuming they're not put in some landlocked territory, that's devoid of any real resources and they need permission to access sea ports (i.e how are they going to get oil to keep the rest of society running?

    True. This is one of many impediments to balkanization, probably the biggest, but the alternative is mark of the beast and literal white genocide. The fate of free people all over the world is counting on whites standing up against anti human world government. We will need to stay positive and approach these problems when we come to them.

    Kinda like the rust belt right now. As a community, they'll do fine. But they're definitely not going to prosper economically

    The rust belt is certainly under economic attack but they seem to be suffering mostly from demoralization and death of spirit than anything else.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Nuclear technology is real. Nuclear power is real but I'm not so sure nuclear weapons are as prolific or dangerous as the US military and the mockingbird media says they are. Joe Atwill from the the Powers and Principalities podcast with Tim Kelly thinks Hiroshima and Nagasaki were hit with fire bombs not nukes.

    Firebombs do not create a giant mushroom shaped cloud after being detonated in the air. Nor do firebombs give off deadly radiation that caused many Japanese people to become disfigured and puke their guts out in mere seconds.

    Regardless, no world power would allow their use as they could destabilize the entire ecosystem.

    There have been thousands of tests conducted with nuclear bombs after WW2. It's impossible to fake this type of weapon since they leave behind giant craters as proof of their explosion. Or the fact they cause mini-earthquakes. They have been used in peace time excercises. The reason we don't see them used in war again is because of M.A.D.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction

    Basically I don't think the nuclear question is really going to be a big issue.

    Look everywhere on Earth where land has been artificially carved up, and neither side can agree to the actual borders. That is why there is war and civil conflict. Israel/Palestine, India & Pakistan, Syria, Rwanda etc. Unless you can promise ever lasting peace between the races, then splitting up nuclear weapons (and the rest of the military) will have unforeseen consequences.

    In fact, India & Pakistan is a perfect example of the disaster this brings. Both countries split from the same source, and now they both built nukes and point them at each other. Threatening the other side every time they infringe on their borders.

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Thank you for reminding me of the approved version of what we are suppose to believe about nuclear weapons.

    If the elites are capable of massive historical hoaxes and false flags they are capable of other large hoaxes up to an including fabricating landing on the moon and nuclear weapons. We should question everything that has been taught to us.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    We should question everything that has been taught to us.

    Sure.

    But ask yourself, what other technology has the power to damage DNA so badly, that there are still Japanese people feeling the effects of radiation today? Firebombs don't do that. In fact, they are only effective against materials made of wood or other flammable material. The Atomic Bombs destroyed entire concrete buildings.

    Edit: And this theory the Elites tried to hide this falls apart. Nuclear tests have been shown to the public. Anyone was allowed to view them and take pictures.

    Of course, walking into the Epicenter of these explosions would kill you, so please don't attempt that.

    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/atomic-tourism-nevada/

    [–]TheWorldToCome 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    nukes are a scam dude, it was all fear propoganda

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2ss7ka

    https://atomicinsights.com/galen-winsor-asks-who-owns-the-plutonium-how-much-is-it-worth/

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I'm going to give you guys credit. You are the first people I've ever met that said nuclear power is not real.

    Which is amazing because we use it everyday. If you ask your doctor or dentist to take an X-Ray of your body without any protection, they will refuse. Not because they can get fired for it, but because it could literally damage your body that you wish you didn't take the dumb challenge in bombarding yourself with radiation.

    But if you really want to put the nuclear denial to the test, you need to visit the Chernobyl reactor that's in Ukraine. Deadly radiation still exists there. I do not recommend you actually try this, but if you think it's fake, visit the core of the building and tell me you don't start vomiting right away. I must warn you though, the consequences of this is extremely fatal if I'm 100% right.

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Thank you my friend, you are justice.

    On a more serious note, I think your prediction is what will come to pass. I know this is nothing concrete but I have this hunch feeling that something big is coming. The liberal world order seems to be in a state of rot where nothing works anymore, and the old kumbaya live and let live worldview is collapsing.

    Though the situation seems dire, I think there's a huge pool of nationalist energy beneath the surface, waiting to erupt at any given circumstance. Only time will reveal God's plan, but I have a hunch that this ''Kali Yuga'' will not last long

    [–]TheJamesRocket[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    On a more serious note, I think your prediction is what will come to pass.

    Its a reasonable course of events in and of itself. Racial nationists can emerge to take control in a deeply divided nation, its happened before. However, our window of opportunity is time sensitive. My scenario is only valid if the collapse takes place in the new few years, before the elites have implemented the great reset. If the collapse happens after that, then its simply too late, because they will have total control via an Orwellian police state.

    The liberal world order seems to be in a state of rot where nothing works anymore, and the old kumbaya live and let live worldview is collapsing.

    My fear is that liberalism will be replaced by something even worse: Neofeudalism. The elites know that their system is falling apart, and thats why they are pushing so hard for the great reset.

    Only time will reveal God's plan, but I have a hunch that this ''Kali Yuga'' will not last long

    I hope so. The world is on a very dark path. We are being led to permanent enslavement by the elites.

    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    They don't control China yet but a lot of jews are marrying Chinese and there's a lot of Japas (Jewish hapas) leading smaller less meaningful Asian advocacy groups. Jews are trying to control all Asian advocacy in the west and use this to build bridges in China as well as having connections in China already. There are Japas and just regular jews who are wealthy and powerful in China but it's not really significant at all as far as I'm aware.

    [–]TheJamesRocket[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    On this issue, I agree with you.

    I just can't bring myself to believe that they control China. The implications of that are too mindboggling.

    [–]Chipit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Uh, no, the Chinese don't give a shit about anyone but Chinese. Jews can BTFO. China already has its own anyway - look it up, there's some city where the people there are called "the Jews of China" because they keep close solidarity with one another and are always making money.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    What is our Victory Scenario?

    You need to look at the bigger picture. Every Elite group is currently benefitting from industrialization. But this is not a sustainable future, especially in terms of where our planet is heading in terms of resource scarcity and massive carbon pollution. So obviously the system of international financing can't work going forward, when Earth becomes too toxic for even the 1% to inhibit.

    I'm actually surprised I'm one of the few people who can make these lateral observations. If you want to see how White people could control the future, it's actually requires being environmentalists. Elon Musk even put out a bounty right now of $100 million for anyone who can actually solve the climate crisis. Imagine if it was a pro-White or other Ethno-nationalist group that claimed this prize first?

    https://www.space.com/elon-musk-carbon-removal-x-prize#:~:text=The%20Carbon%20Removal%20X%20Prize,it%20will%20run%20through%202025.

    We've seen what happens when societies collapse and the balance of power shifts towards someone else. But that's not what the Elites are actually afraid of since they can clearly just hop between countries when their power feels threatened. But Earth being too polluted and toxic for even them means there is no where left to run, so they need to ally with whoever has the technology to save them first.

    Edit: And while Elon Musk is giving away prizes, the other richest man in history was willing to to donate $10 Billion towards the same cause. That's not chump change. They know their wealth is only as good as the environment lets them breathe.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/17/technology/jeff-bezos-climate-change-earth-fund.html

    [–]TheJamesRocket[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I don't subscribe to climate change alarmism. I have not seen any convincing evidence that global temperatures will increase by more than 2 degrees celsius by the end of the century (2100). Most of the models used by climate alarmists don't take into account the Earths own feedback cycles that regulate atmospheric C02. This is a very complicated subject that is open to alot of misunderstanding.

    And anyways, even if we did accept the fact that there will be catastrophic global warming (which I don't), there are much easier ways of solving that crisis than trying to de-industrialize the entire planet and drag humanity back to the iron age.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I don't subscribe to climate change alarmism. I have not seen any convincing evidence that global temperatures will increase by more than 2 degrees celsius by the end of the century (2100). Most of the models used by climate alarmists don't take into account the Earths own feedback cycles that regulate atmospheric C02. This is a very complicated subject that is open to alot of misunderstanding.

    When more animals go extinct because the ocean becomes too toxic for them to live in, you better not say that it was "just normal". In fact, there is a reason to be alarmed. Earth is a fragile ecosystem, and it's the only planet we can actually survive on. Even just losing vital animals like Bees is going to have massive consequences on how we continue to harvest food. And with no food or water, EVERYONE will perish.

    there are much easier ways of solving that crisis than trying to de-industrialize the entire planet and drag humanity back to the iron age.

    Who told you about going back to the Iron Age to stop climate change? That's not a widely accepted idea. We could for example, still have Cars in future. We just need a better source of fuel that causes far less pollution.

    [–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Am I that member? If so, I don't know if China is controlled by the jews.

    The proper way to build your ethnostate is to start building it now. Let the US be the womb that gives birth to the phoenix.

    [–]TheJamesRocket[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    No. It was send_nasty_stuff.

    His remarks are making me question everything.

    If they have control of both America AND China, then we're fucked.