How do you define race?

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[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

What's your definition of race

Ancient genetic tribes that deeply impact our moods, intelligence, sensibilities, spiritualism, disposition and cultural expressions. I'm also a strong believer in the theory that ancient civilizations were consciously shaping the 'breed' of their own societies. Thus, I suspicion my racial make-up is not a result of accidental forces but specific choices my ancestors made. Specific ways my ancestors chose to live. Some of this specialization of the race might have come from random geographic isolation. However, I lean more to the theory that my white ancestors actively blocked outsiders and lower castes from breeding.

what exactly makes someone White?

European ancestors.*

*(I think all Europeans were originally from the caucuses and the Levant. Ancient people moved around the world a lot more than we think they did. Also I think all whites descend from a small group of people that purposefully survived a worldwide extinction event around 11k years ago. Non whites are groups that survived the event on accident or were slave castes in the pre and post flood world. If you want to go even deeper I strongly suspicion that the antediluvian world was full of intelligent white giants that had technology and building techniques more advanced than ours. It's very likely we've had multiple catastrophes in the past and the worldwide population was seriously reduced and segregated as a result.)

A note on Jews: Jews might have started off as part of the white race but have spliced themselves into other non white groups as a survival strategy. They have used this so frequently that they are now genetically, ethnically and culturally non white. A sub group of Jews who have specialized in occultism/esoteric knowledge/finance are actively attempting to enslave and homogenize the human race. Therefore, a good chunk of Jews are anti human and thus can not be considered part of the human race much less 'white'.

Note: I'm not trying to argue that race doesn't exist.

Most people (even liberals) now fully acknowledge race exists. There are only a handful of boomer whites that cling to the old egalitarianism and blank slate propaganda campaigns. In fact I predict that in a few short years the only people that genuinely believe in egalitarianism and equal treatment under the law will all be right wing not leftist.

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In fact I predict that in a few short years the only people that genuinely believe in egalitarianism and equal treatment under the law will all be right wing not leftist.

Possibly, although I have my doubts regarding how genuine these thoughts will be. I suspect that as demographics change to the point where Whites are a minority, then all of a sudden drawing racial lines will be perfectly fine as it will then fit in with their greater agenda, just as denying it now does.

[–]somewherenear 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

*(I think all Europeans were originally from the caucuses and the Levant. Ancient people moved around the world a lot more than we think they did. Also I think all whites descend from a small group of people that purposefully survived a worldwide extinction event around 11k years ago. Non whites are groups that survived the event on accident or were slave castes in the pre and post flood world. If you want to go even deeper I strongly suspicion that the antediluvian world was full of intelligent white giants that had technology and building techniques more advanced than ours. It's very likely we've had multiple catastrophes in the past and the worldwide population was seriously reduced and segregated as a result.)

Is there any further reading on the subject? I'd like to learn more about it, since I have many doubts on its legitimacy.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Which topic? There are probably 5 in that paragraph. Catastracism? Antediluvian civilization? Ancient Aryan tribes? Giants? White Israelites? Anti evolution? Ancient racial castes? Solar cycles/birklan currents? Alt archaeology? Jews? Ancient plasma sky symbols? Alt astronomy (plasma theory)? Ancient symbology?

(for they record I'm an expert on exactly ZERO of these topics, they just interest me. Asha Logos and Robert Sepher got me into some of this so I'd start there.)

since I have many doubts on its legitimacy.

As do I. However, I straight up reject most of the current academic 'consensus' on these topics.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

For what its worth, I share some of your thoughts - at least as possible hypotheses. I also think you ought to not straight up reject most current academic consensus. Just mainstream presentation of the "consensus". Race & genetics is mainstream too, but thats not how the media or anthropologists present it.

There is a lot of interesting writing

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I also think you ought to not straight up reject most current academic consensus.

Our academics are compromised on so many fronts everything they produce and promote should be heavily scrutinized. Which field of academics do you think is trustworthy and worth taking at face value? There's a clear intellectual cabal inside of these institutions that have been hiring and promoting people on racial and ideological loyalty not truth. No field of study is safe from this head hunting. Every generation gets more bold in their ideological conformity and anti white/anti christian/ anti masculine/ anti traditionalism biases.

Just mainstream presentation of the "consensus".

Good point. It's sometimes a misrepresentation of the ideas. However, more often than not it's just a straight up a biased academic who knows exactly what they are doing and why.

Race & genetics is mainstream too, but thats not how the media or anthropologists present it.

Again these 'pro' HBD academics are still openly operating according to oligarch rules for talking about these topics. Whats the point of doing the research if you're not allowed to promote it or contextualize it for the populace? Race aware scientists that self censor are doing just as much damage don't you think? They are uniquely positioned to change the public mindset on these topics yet they remain silent? In fact this silence could even help elites as they get the first look at new science and can figure out how to fit it into their global domination schemes.

There is a lot of interesting writing

Agreed. I'm constantly overwhelmed with everything that needs to be read!

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

who cares? everyone intuitively understands race, anyone who pretends they don't is either severely mentally challenged or lying and in either case they're not worth the time talking to

[–]somewherenear 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Is someone white if they have 10% non-white DNA? Majority white DNA? This is what OP is asking for--where is the cut off and who really is white.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If they were asking for that then they would have said it.

Also no one ever asks 'who really is Black' this is only a stupid question mostly idiot leftists -- not saying you're one BTW -- come up with in their pathetic little mid-wit brains because they believe in a continuum fallacy and think that it's some major 'gotcha' moment to ask a racialist where they consider the line should be drawn.

Truth is we racialists -- at least in my experience -- don't go around demanding 100 percent purity and requiring DNA tests before considering people White or not. That's an insane idea and the delusion exists only in the mind of the leftist. It's an idea we all make fun of actually -- see Murdoch, Murdoch and their video 'Pure Bavarian Phenotype'.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

25-30% is generally a good cutoff, though it could go up to 50% for Asian/hapa (esp. females).

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

though it could go up to 50% for Asian/hapa (esp. females).

lmao based

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It doesn't really matter who we consider white.

[–]Ethnosomniator 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As with colour, you could, in theory, create razor sharp definitions: wavelengths of about 680 to 740 are defined as red.

With a database of your genetic stock, you could simply say: these clusters define the White race. You could also sperg out, go further and support certain genotypes over others or reintroduce certain alleles or whatever. That is all possible, on paper. Is it necessary, though? A fast, soft definition would be someone who has at least three White grandparents.

Above all else, rekindling healthy racial consciousness is the first and most important step.

[–]somewherenear 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Somone who has >90% white DNA would, in my opinion, be white. At least you'd be white enough to be allowed in an ethnostate, however I still wouldn't classify someone with any amount of non-white DNA (including Semitic genes) purely white, for obvious reasons. They would be under an entirely different classification. Over the course of three generations, any amount of non-white DNA would be completely diluted. So, it'd be a non issue in a short while of time.

As for everyone else, I'm not sure. There isn't really a consensus, at least as far as I am aware, in the alt-right community.

Who do you think is white, OP?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I use to believe it was IQ, but the only concrete evidence I see today is skull shape.

https://i.imgur.com/AYLo0Hz.jpg

Evolution created at least 4 distinct Humans. European race, African race, the Asian race and the Aboriginal race. I think that's a fair definition because those traits are physically recognizable and can't be changed without another 10,000 years of environmental pressure.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Forensic anthropologists can determine ancestry by all bone morphology not just the skull. I have no idea where you got that or how a human being with working eyes came to the determination that IQ and skull shape were the only things racially determined but then again you do have a habit of saying ridiculous things.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The simpler the definition of race, the better. If you have to resort to pulling out a 5000 word textbook to determine if someone is German or not, most people will think you're crazy or schizo in real life. It's just like gender. I don't need to pull down every stranger's pants and measure the width and angle of their pelvis. You should tell if someone is male or female just by looking at them in 1 second.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Well last time you made a post you asked a question and people -- including myself -- made an effort and took time to type detailed answers and you abandoned the thread. I'll respond but I won't respond until I see evidence that you're not a serial thread abandoner. Otherwise it's a waste of time.

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    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Got you. Thanks for clearing it up.

    [–]Blackbrownfreestuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Everyone knows what race is and people who ask this question are usually trolling. If someone in real life really didnt know what race is, i would explain it as grouping people by where their ancestors developed, resulting in shared physical and mental characteristics. For example, you could draw a circle around the wide nose dark skinned people from Africa and call them black or draw a circle around the light skinned men from the north and call them white.

    [–]aukofthecovenantWhite man with eyes 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    European = the most recent natural selection in your family tree occurred in Europe, mutatis mutandis for the other races. But since no one knows anyone's family tree going back hundreds of thousands of years, one has to use shortcuts like skin pigmentation, nose shape, and so on.

    [–]WhiteZealotWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    What's your definition of race

    Race is another word for a human sub-species. That is, a group of humans that took their own evolutionary path due to being sufficiently isolated from outsiders for a sufficiently-long period of time, but which can still produce fertile offspring with other human subspecies.

    There are different levels of granularity that you can use to define races. You can zoom in and see differences between groups of, say, Germans, and you could call those races if you wanted. Or you could zoom out and see the races as White, Black, East Asian, Indian, etc.

    Since evolution affects every part of an organism, brain included, this means the races have different averages in every trait.

    and what exactly makes someone White?

    It certainly includes Northwestern Europeans. As you move away from this nucleus genetically, each person will have their own opinion about where to draw the boundary line.