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[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (35 children)

And who do you think seeded those ideas in the public's mind?

Philosophers. Theologians. Scientists. Although I don't subscribe to the idea they were all Liberal plots to undermine nations or bring everyone to their side. You could for example, read the bible and still become very Left-wing or Right-wing because of it. Society in general also constantly changes. Whether because of technology or the environment, or both. We're expected to adapt to it, but we have our disagreements on how to do it.

Those were elite-driven fights. They were never put up to a public vote.

This argument equally works in the opposite direction. The public may have wanted to end slavery sooner but only the Elites benefitted from keeping it. But to pretend there where no Westerners who were against slavery by their own free will contradicts history. The religious Quaker movement banned slavery in their close circles, and a White Man personally led his own anti-slave rebellion in the U.S.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brown_(abolitionist)

No, it isn't. You're stuck in American ideology.

How is it American? British Conservatives [Tories] still differ from British Liberals [Labor] for example. Even though I understand that within Europe and other parts of the world there does exist some overlap in beliefs. But if one party wants to ban same-sex marriage (usually Conservative) but the other legalizes it (usually Liberal or Left) than no, they're not the same.

That's because they consume their ow media.

Based on what? You might as well extend this thinking to everyone. I manage to follow media from all the world, how brainwashed would that make me? More, less, not at all?

That's because they jailed the more popular socialist candidate. The vote for Bolsonaro was largely a protest vote. Also, Brazil has a massive alternative media landscape.

Every country that's not a dictatorship has alternative media. This actually weakens the argument that Liberals can successfully brainwash people when plenty of competition exists.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Philosophers. Theologians. Scientists.

None of those people could have achieved it without the backing of the media.

Although I don't subscribe to the idea they were all Liberal plots to undermine nations or bring everyone to their side.

It's Jews.

Society in general also constantly changes.

Yes, but it never changes in a vacuum. There are always people steering us towards something. I'm not a reactionary.

The public may have wanted to end slavery sooner

They didn't.

But to pretend there where no Westerners who were against slavery by their own free will contradicts history.

I never said that.

How is it American? British Conservatives [Tories] still differ from British Liberals [Labor] for example.

The differences are hardly there. It's mostly show.

But if one party wants to ban same-sex marriage (usually Conservative) but the other legalizes it (usually Liberal or Left) than no, they're not the same.

It was actually the conservatives who legalized it in the UK.

Based on what?

Based on reality. A lot of these Muslims are known to self-segregate. This isn't news.

Every country that's not a dictatorship has alternative media.

You're so bluepilled it's laughable. Western countries are dictatorships. We just live under dictatorships of global capital.

This actually weakens the argument that Liberals can successfully brainwash people when plenty of competition exists.

The competition doesn't run our states, and a lot of that competition is controlled opposition.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

None of those people could have achieved it without the backing of the media.

So what are you saying? We should cancel everything then? The media was hostile to Charles Darwin when he first published his works on Evolution. Yet I don't think he actually cared what society thought of him, he was just doing his job. Now hundreds of years later, most people are free to believe in evolution theory without being jailed or murdered for it. Similar to today, I don't actually care what mainstream media thinks. How else did I learn about this board and manage to talk to you if I was brainwashed by Liberals? Answer: every person born with free will has the power to search for the truth on their own.

It's Jews.

So the Jews also lead to the creation of right-wing media? I mean, I don't deny that being a possibility but it only makes the media agenda more irrelevant. Consider that the Soviet Union doesn't even exist anymore, Liberal power is not this unstoppable force that somehow controls the planet. We live in a world that is much more Centre/Centre-Right on average.

They didn't.

So everyone supported slavery? Why? The majority didn't even own them and the ones who did, used it to devalue labor. It was basically a lose-lose situation and that's before going into the moral arguments of why keeping human beings as property was an abomination.

I never said that.

Keep in mind, if there was ever growing resistance against slavery, public mindshare would have begun to reflect it. Similar to how the Vietnam or Iraq Wars had support in the beginning but died near the end, if the act of owning slaves was tied to immense violence, sympathy for it would plummet. In fact, there was a real life example. Abolitionists and Slave owners were already fighting when new territory was being founded. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleeding_Kansas

The differences are hardly there. It's mostly show. It was actually the conservatives who legalized it in the UK.

Well, Britain's situation is actually unique. It was the Left who made an argument against it based on religious freedoms. but the Conservatives passed it anyway with bipartisan support. It's fair to say both parties were the same on that issue, but when it came to another like Brexit, then Conservatives represented the majority of Leavers, with Liberals parties voting to stay.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/518474/eu-referendum-voting-intention-by-political-affiliation/

Based on reality. A lot of these Muslims are known to self-segregate. This isn't news.

The article I posted was literally Muslims protesting LGBT education in public school, not private. So the state indoctrination is there in front of them but they still rejected it.

You're so bluepilled it's laughable. Western countries are dictatorships. We just live under dictatorships of global capital. The competition doesn't run our states, and a lot of that competition is controlled opposition.

That only means we can't trust anyone then. I agree.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (32 children)

Every country that's not a dictatorship has alternative media. This actually weakens the argument that Liberals can successfully brainwash people when plenty of competition exists.

Can you mention the alternative media in Denmark lol?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (31 children)

Is the internet banned in Denmark?

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

You're being deliberately obtuse. A couple of Danish alternative media websites don't have the same power that the mainstream media has.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Everyone is free to turn off the TV and go outside. Or smuggle outside material and distribute it. I think you guys give the media too much credit. It's only as powerful as you make it out to be.

Even in North Korea, the state having a monopoly over the news isn't proof the average North Korean believes in it. There's actually a thriving black market where North Koreans are happy to give up their monthly paycheck to get smuggled goods from China.

I believe similar stories also existed in the USSR. No one actually believed Stalin was god, they just had to go along with it until he died.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Everyone is free to turn off the TV and go outside.

I'm done here. I can't deal with your liberal delusions anymore. I just can't do it.

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    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Yep

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It's delusional to think anyone is forced to consume media. I actually think it's unhealthy. Less people shouldn't be glued to the TV or Computer but actually focusing on their real lives and careers. The media is only powerful when people forget the rest of the world exists. Ask communities like the Amish what they think about CNN or Fox News? They'll tell you they probably never even heard of them because they refuse to make it apart their daily schedules. If you can't do that, that demonstrates you somehow lack impulse or control.

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I'm amazed you went on as long as you did. It reminds me so much of Destiny because it's just the type of person who wants to 'win' an argument at all cost and with any tactics.

    [–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

    You said that plenty of competition exists. Please elaborate how you think there is plenty of media competition in Denmark.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

    The internet is competition. Unless they're blocking websites, what is stopping Danes from going online and picking out their preferred news source? Or if they have Cable/Satellite subscription, they can watch foreign media.

    [–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

    That is not competition

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

    What more do you want? The government to ban all left-wing media (which is the complete opposite of supporting competition)? I think it's pretty obvious that any free-market society not ruled by a dictator is going to have alternative sources of information readily available. Whether or not said media is popular is irrelevant. It's not exactly forced on you if there's an option to actually opt out.

    [–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

    Yes I want the government to ban or punish left-wing media like it is punishing right wing media in Denmark.

    I also want the government to financially support right wing media like it is supporting left wing media.

    I also want our school system to teach kids about right wing media and demonizing left wing media - the opposite of how it is currently. I also want the state media to be right wing and not left wing.

    You talk about "free market" when it is not.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

    There's a fair argument to be made that both left and right media should have access to equal funding. But the state banning either side is just going to fuel resentment and create an echo chamber.

    And keep in mind that even if the government offered up equal funding to both sides, it doesn't mean the Danish people can't still lean towards one direction. There's a saying "equal opportunities does not guarantee equality of outcomes". It should still be job of the Right to convince or persuade more people to join their side instead of forcing it. And I don't say this based on any bias. The entire point of being a Politician is a full time job. A bit of effort is required instead of just being paid to be lazy.

    [–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

    It should still be job of the Right to convince or persuade more people to join their side instead of forcing it.

    We will force the school system to indoctrinate the kids into right wing thinking. Any teacher that is left wing will be snitched by their students and punished/put in jail.

    Of course, its still the free market and danes will have access to the internet, right? So plenty of competition. Oh, I forgot. Yes, we will ban left wing material on the internet, so danes don't fall for "misinformation".

    It's still the free market, right?