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[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (84 children)

Do you ever bring up the basic facts on the Floyd case? Or talk about how many deaths the riots have caused? Black-on-white shootings?

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

you ever bring up the basic facts on the Floyd case?

We all saw him getting choked to death on camera and the doctor the civil rights lawyer hired scientically confirmed, death by choking due to racism. I've never even heard of fentanyl. You're racist.

Or talk about how many deaths the riots have caused?

White people did most of the killing, the blacks were there to protest peacefully. You're racist.

Black-on-white shootings

White people are responsible for just as many shootings, but racial profiling and systemic racism causes more blacks to get arrested. You're racist.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So they're the completely irrational type, you're saying

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This sounds very similar to the conversations I have with my family.

[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (78 children)

Why would any of those things be relevant? The existence of a criminal is not a good reason to persecute an innocent person, whether their skin is the same color or not.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (77 children)

Why would any of those things be relevant?

How are the basic facts of either the Floyd case or national crime statistics "not relevant," when the ""protests"" were in George Floyd's name, against alleged widespread "police brutality" against blacks in the US?

The existence of a criminal is not a good reason to persecute an innocent person, whether their skin is the same color or not.

This makes no sense. Are you saying George Floyd is "innocent?" Or that he was persecuted because of his skin color? Neither?

[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (76 children)

Nobody cares whether or not George Floyd was a good person. He just happened to be the guy that got videotaped being casually murdered by the police.

How are the basic facts of either the Floyd case or national crime statistics "not relevant,"

They're not relevant to egalitarianism because whether or not somebody is a good person has no bearing on the humanity of their racial group.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (74 children)

He just happened to be the guy that got videotaped being casually murdered by the police.

There's no compelling evidence the kneehold is what killed him. He started saying "I can't breathe" before police even apprehended him. He is almost definitely not innocent of ingesting a potentially lethal dose of fentanyl, or attempting to pass counterfeit money, even if you want to say the force used was "excessive"

Even if we take the unfounded and inflammatory claim that Floyd was "murdered by police" as fact, this says nothing about the broader statistics on police-related violence. Blacks are 30% of the people killed by cops, but 40% of cop killers. The statistics would seem to indicate police don't kill blacks enough. Moreover, there are 2.5x as many black-on-white murders as there are white-on-black murders in the US each year. Why aren't whites rioting in the streets in response to all this black-on-white violence?

Not only is this not happening, but the officers who were involved with Floyd have been fired, and are being investigated an potentially tried for murder. When all the evidence is taken together, what more could blacks possibly want? Nothing about the alleged motivations for the riots remotely reflects reality or the truth

They're not relevant to egalitarianism

"Egalitarianism" is not relevant to this discussion. We're talking about the motivations for the protests, which include the circumstances of George Floyd's death and criminality statistics by race. Reality is objectively not "egalitarian" regardless, and the evidence does not support the claims or demands that these ""protestors"" make

whether or not somebody is a good person has no bearing on the humanity of their racial group.

That's just really dumb, sorry. For one, we aren't talking about a single person (George Floyd) being somehow representative of blacks as a whole. We're talking about crime rates in general across groups to assess the validity of BLM/the protestor's claims. Secondly, if one group of humans is more homicidal than another group of humans, what does that say about that group's "humanity?" Nothing. It's a pointless mantra and appeal to emotion

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This a great response, but you are responding to a troll.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe, but I'm starved for debate anyways

[–]Salos10000 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It isn't a troll, we need to debate at any chance to hone our skills at the art if we want any success in politics.It is a white race traitor and our chief enemy.We need to engage with it as much as possible to learn how it thinks, what common arguments it presents and how to refute them.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So far all I have seen are low quality arguments, such as "the facts don't matter". If it's not a troll, I think it's disconnected from the realities of black depravity to a point that makes discussion pointless.

[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (69 children)

You're not understanding. Police brutality against black people has been a powder keg for decades. George Floyd was the face of the protests, because again, his video was the one that went viral, but it's not about him specifically. Nothing you could say about Floyd would justify the rampant abuse of power in the justice system.

this says nothing about the broader statistics on police-related violence. Blacks are 30% of the people killed by cops, but 40% of cop killers. The statistics would seem to indicate police don't kill blacks enough. Moreover, there are 2.5x as many black-on-white murders as there are white-on-black murders in the US each year. JPG Why aren't whites rioting in the streets in response to all this black-on-white violence?

What the fuck? They are, and you are currently telling them to stop? Poor people and the police don't trust each other. This is about de-escalating the conflict. It's like you're telling people not to protest Iraq because you think the Americans are the real victims.

We're talking about the motivations for the protests, which include the circumstances of George Floyd's death and criminality statistics by race.

The motivation for the protests is a clear pattern of disproportionate use of force against black people by the police. Floyd was the final straw, and there have been plenty more before then and since.

Reality is objectively not "egalitarian" regardless,

That doesn't even make sense. Reality isn't racist either, these are opinions.

We're talking about crime rates in general across groups to assess the validity of BLM/the protestor's claims.

Their claim is that police brutality and racism have a negative impact on the country and it's people. Anything else is incidental.

Nothing. It's a pointless mantra and appeal to emotion

As if you aren't the one trying to frighten people with sweeping generalization

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Police brutality against black people has been a powder keg for decades.

I don't think you understand that just because people have historically got irrationally upset and destroyed things over perceived injustices doesn't mean their grievances actually have merit

rampant abuse of power in the justice system.

Prove it

Poor people and the police don't trust each other.

Race is a better predictor of crime than poverty (gini) is

clear pattern of disproportionate use of force against black people by the police

Prove this "clear pattern" exists. Blacks are arrested at the same rates victimization reports indicate they should be

That doesn't even make sense

It does - depending on you definition, which apears inconsistent. "Egalitarianism" can mean "all races are genetically equal in all respects, if not phenotypically" or "All races should be treated equally under the law". Regardless, both of these are falsified by reality (or are simply not teh actual policy). Criminality rates are not equal across races (just like IQ, etc aren't) and nonwhites are given preferential treatment in AA de jure through policy (and de facto in university admissions and employment). They are also allowed to have race-specific advocacy groups and PACs, something whites are denied

As if you aren't the one trying to frighten people

Are you "frightened" by facts?

with sweeping generalization

Again, naxalting is irrelevant and does not negate the broader effects on society

[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Prove it

I doubt you'll actually do the research because if you actually cared you could have poked your head out at any point before now, but here you go anyway.

https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/un-report-on-racial-disparities/

It does - depending on you definition,

I'm talking about belief in a system in which the only second class citizens are criminals.

nonwhites are given preferential treatment in AA de jure through policy (and de facto in university admissions and employment).

AA doesn't say you can only hire nonwhite people, it says you can't only hire white people. Prohibitting you from discriminating against nonwhite people is not discrimination against white people

They are also allowed to have race-specific advocacy groups and PACs, something whites are denied

Those groups push for equality. There are white advocacy groups like Salvation Army, food pantries, methadone clinics, CSRR, etc. You just dismiss them because they don't discriminate against nonwhite people or advocate for white supremacy.

Again, naxalting is irrelevant and does not negate the broader effects on society

Your generalizations are irrelevant and do not negate people's individuality.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (66 children)

Why aren't whites rioting in the streets in response to all this black-on-white violence?

What the fuck? They are, and you are currently telling them to stop?

You should probably read that quote again carefully. White people aren't rioting in the streets over black-on-white violence.

[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (65 children)

Bruh. Telling America to pull out of Vietnam also saved the Americans. Just because one party is commonly accepted as the aggressor doesn't mean deescalation isn't a lifesaver for both of them.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (64 children)

Unfortuntely the opposite is true for what you are proposing. Defunding police or even just less policing of black neighborhoods leads to more deaths. Black's need lots of police to protect them from themselves. There's a reason things are the way they are. The proposed alternatives from the left that you call deescalation are liberal idealism.

[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (63 children)

You're making that up. You don't even know what the proposal is.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The facts don't matter, only your feelings do. I think it's clear where you stand, thanks.