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[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (69 children)

You're not understanding. Police brutality against black people has been a powder keg for decades. George Floyd was the face of the protests, because again, his video was the one that went viral, but it's not about him specifically. Nothing you could say about Floyd would justify the rampant abuse of power in the justice system.

this says nothing about the broader statistics on police-related violence. Blacks are 30% of the people killed by cops, but 40% of cop killers. The statistics would seem to indicate police don't kill blacks enough. Moreover, there are 2.5x as many black-on-white murders as there are white-on-black murders in the US each year. JPG Why aren't whites rioting in the streets in response to all this black-on-white violence?

What the fuck? They are, and you are currently telling them to stop? Poor people and the police don't trust each other. This is about de-escalating the conflict. It's like you're telling people not to protest Iraq because you think the Americans are the real victims.

We're talking about the motivations for the protests, which include the circumstances of George Floyd's death and criminality statistics by race.

The motivation for the protests is a clear pattern of disproportionate use of force against black people by the police. Floyd was the final straw, and there have been plenty more before then and since.

Reality is objectively not "egalitarian" regardless,

That doesn't even make sense. Reality isn't racist either, these are opinions.

We're talking about crime rates in general across groups to assess the validity of BLM/the protestor's claims.

Their claim is that police brutality and racism have a negative impact on the country and it's people. Anything else is incidental.

Nothing. It's a pointless mantra and appeal to emotion

As if you aren't the one trying to frighten people with sweeping generalization

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Police brutality against black people has been a powder keg for decades.

I don't think you understand that just because people have historically got irrationally upset and destroyed things over perceived injustices doesn't mean their grievances actually have merit

rampant abuse of power in the justice system.

Prove it

Poor people and the police don't trust each other.

Race is a better predictor of crime than poverty (gini) is

clear pattern of disproportionate use of force against black people by the police

Prove this "clear pattern" exists. Blacks are arrested at the same rates victimization reports indicate they should be

That doesn't even make sense

It does - depending on you definition, which apears inconsistent. "Egalitarianism" can mean "all races are genetically equal in all respects, if not phenotypically" or "All races should be treated equally under the law". Regardless, both of these are falsified by reality (or are simply not teh actual policy). Criminality rates are not equal across races (just like IQ, etc aren't) and nonwhites are given preferential treatment in AA de jure through policy (and de facto in university admissions and employment). They are also allowed to have race-specific advocacy groups and PACs, something whites are denied

As if you aren't the one trying to frighten people

Are you "frightened" by facts?

with sweeping generalization

Again, naxalting is irrelevant and does not negate the broader effects on society

[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Prove it

I doubt you'll actually do the research because if you actually cared you could have poked your head out at any point before now, but here you go anyway.

https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/un-report-on-racial-disparities/

It does - depending on you definition,

I'm talking about belief in a system in which the only second class citizens are criminals.

nonwhites are given preferential treatment in AA de jure through policy (and de facto in university admissions and employment).

AA doesn't say you can only hire nonwhite people, it says you can't only hire white people. Prohibitting you from discriminating against nonwhite people is not discrimination against white people

They are also allowed to have race-specific advocacy groups and PACs, something whites are denied

Those groups push for equality. There are white advocacy groups like Salvation Army, food pantries, methadone clinics, CSRR, etc. You just dismiss them because they don't discriminate against nonwhite people or advocate for white supremacy.

Again, naxalting is irrelevant and does not negate the broader effects on society

Your generalizations are irrelevant and do not negate people's individuality.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (66 children)

Why aren't whites rioting in the streets in response to all this black-on-white violence?

What the fuck? They are, and you are currently telling them to stop?

You should probably read that quote again carefully. White people aren't rioting in the streets over black-on-white violence.

[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (65 children)

Bruh. Telling America to pull out of Vietnam also saved the Americans. Just because one party is commonly accepted as the aggressor doesn't mean deescalation isn't a lifesaver for both of them.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (64 children)

Unfortuntely the opposite is true for what you are proposing. Defunding police or even just less policing of black neighborhoods leads to more deaths. Black's need lots of police to protect them from themselves. There's a reason things are the way they are. The proposed alternatives from the left that you call deescalation are liberal idealism.

[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (63 children)

You're making that up. You don't even know what the proposal is.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (62 children)

Yah good point. Lets hear your suggestions?

[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (61 children)

Bodycams and accountability for use of force, standardization of criminal sentencing, distinction between public service and criminal justice duties, and demilitarization of police tactics and weaponry.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (60 children)

Bodycams are great. I'm all for it and it looks like most police depts are as well since many have started using then. Supposedly the george floyd incident was recorded on bodycam. I cant wait for the trial. Since nearly all police on negro force is justified, I doubt these reforms are going to create your desired results.

[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (59 children)

Of course an alt righter would think that, but again, you're making that up.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (58 children)

Making what up? Do u support defunding the police? What are your thoughts about the BLM protestors who told Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey they want "no mo police"? Do you agree with them?