Thank you, SaidIt...

submitted by Godknight from self.SaidIt

I just wanted to take this moment to express my gratitude for this platform.

I joined about a week ago and I feel comfortable here, I like this place.

I just created an account on Imgur and I got downvoted a hundred times and banned instantly just for saying there are only 2 genders.

SaidIt allows me with much more freedom of expression and I will use this power responsibly.

So thank you, SaidIt.

And from the bottom of my heart,

There are only 2 genders.

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[–]weavilsatemyface 13 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 5 fun -  (29 children)

There are only 2 genders.

People do not have gender. "Gender" is made-up bullshit. People have a sex, and there are exactly two sexes.

The only actual meaning of "gender" is a technical term from linguistics (the study of languages), where languages can have no genders, two, three, or as many as twenty categories for nouns and verbs.

[–]J_Hard_R_Tolkien 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Wait till you find out about John Money.

[–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Oh yes, I know all about John Money. The question is, how many other pro-Trans therapists are as twisted as he was?

[–]Musky 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

"Gender" is made-up bullshit

It's not, gender has meant the same thing as sex for almost as long as the word existed. There's been a push to redefine the term to legitimize gender identity. Push back against that, whenever someone says "ackshually gender and sex are different," tell them no, no they aren't. Or at least they didn't use to be until it was convienient for their ideology.

[–]Godknight[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This is the best take.

Words exist because people give them meaning.

When I was a kid, literally everyone was using gender and sex synonymously.

And for me that will never change.

[–]weavilsatemyface 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

gender has meant the same thing as sex for almost as long as the word existed

Not quite.

The word "gender" meaning "class or kind" goes back to around 1300, which is now effectively obsolete except for very specialised uses like the gender of plugs (male or female). It took about a century for the grammatical meaning to appear, and another century for people to start using "gender" as a humorous, deliberately over-technical term for the two sexes. A little like using "sanitation engineer" for the guy who picks up the trash, or perhaps something like "Marines are a different species from the rest of us".

But the modern use of gender as a euphemism for "sex" comes from the second half of the 20th century, and the even more modern sense of gender as some nebulous, undefined and undefinable feeling about what sex you are is even more recent. Euphemisms are bad enough, but the modern "gender" is self-contradictory and incoherent nonsense on stilts.

If you ask trans activists, they themselves cannot decide whether sex and gender are different, or rather, they will flip from one belief to the other whenever convenient:

  • Gender identity is a social construct that has nothing to do with the two male and female sexes;
  • but "sex is a spectrum" and there are more than two sexes;
  • and trans women are real women;
  • gender identity is inherent to me, and has nothing to do with social expectations;
  • but if society calls me by the wrong pronoun, or "dead-names" me, my identity is destroyed like a delicate flower in a nuclear blast.

Don't expect this to make sense. It doesn't, and the TRAs like it that way.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Saved.

[–]BISH 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Saved.

I saved, your save.

Jesus saves. And takes half damage.

[–]Adventurous_Ad6212 5 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

listen bucko... you maybe having 2 whole sexes but I can confirm some of us haven't in a very, very long time.

[–]BISH 4 insightful - 7 fun4 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

People do not have gender. "Gender" is made-up bullshit.

I have a gender.

My gender is cake. Penis cake.

Also, my gender is penis.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

there are exactly two sexes

Some people are intersex, so they don't fit into either of the exactly two sexes.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Some people are intersex, so they don't fit into either of the exactly two sexes.

IFIFY:
Some people are shills, so they don't fit into SaidIt either as they're only here to disrupt.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You interrupt a discussion about the relationship between there being "exactly" two sexes, and there being people who don't fit either sex. This is argument / counter argument on the pyramid of debate.

And you try to drag down the discussion to Ad Hominem or Name-calling.

Your comment is again reported. You do nothing other than try to drag down the discussion on the pyramid of debate. The saidit values are very clear: If a person is caught repeatedly dragging discussion in a downward direction on the Pyramid of Debate, they will be removed.

I look forward to you being removed.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Good luck with that shillbot.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks. We'll see how I go.

[–]Maggotus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Actually Not! Some people are Mentally Ill and cannot fit themselves into either of the exactly 2 sexes. Those people need mental help.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm talking about the physically intersex people. Although certainly the brain has a gender too.

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/health-issues/conditions/genitourinary-tract/Pages/Explaining-Disorders-of-Sex-Development-Intersexuality.aspx#:~:text=What%20is%20a%20Disorder%20of,were%20called%20%22intersex%22%20conditions.

[–]elchupacabra 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I want to argue out of principle, but it would be pretty dope if humanity evolved a new sex class that was actually fertile from these kinds of people. But as of now, there isn't one, and these people are accurately classified as either male or female with certain developmental disorders affecting the reproductive system. Still, I'd have no qualms calling such a person whatever they wanted to be called. And conceivably their brains could fall somewhere outside of / between masculine and feminine because of hormones in utero, but I've yet to meet someone who can't be basally classified as one or the other, unless their development means they lack any sexuality at all.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

But as of now, there isn't one, and these people are accurately classified as either male or female with certain developmental disorders affecting the reproductive system

Nope. They're in between.

[–]elchupacabra 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Except they aren't and that isn't offensive? Do you have an actual argument? Someone with CAIS is a male whose body doesn't react to androgens at all, so they don't develop as a phenotypical male. If they did not have that condition, they would have developed as a phenotypical male and not the non-phenotypical male that they are. Sex as a distinction literally only matters in reproduction. If these people could reproduce, it would be a different story; they'd be a sex other than male or female. But literally speaking, they are males or females with a developmental disorder affecting the reproductive system.

Can you at least try and refute one of my points or object to one of my assumptions? That's sort of how an argument works as opposed to a shit-flinging contest.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Do you have an actual argument?

The definition of sex as binary and defined by XX or XY fails.

There are XY females, with CAIS or with Swyer syndrome, there are XXY males, there are XY|XX chimeras who can be intersex, fertile male, fertile female or true hermaphrodites.

Someone with CAIS is a male whose body doesn't react to androgens at all, so they don't develop as a phenotypical male.

That's right. They develop as a female.

Sex as a distinction literally only matters in reproduction. If these people could reproduce, it would be a different story;

If that's where you want to move the bar, it still fails. XX|XY chimeras can be fertile: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6575956/

Here is a case study with a predominantly XY female who was fertile: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2190741/

But all the intersex people who are infertile are still not one sex or the other.

They exist, they are infertile, and they are intersex.

[–]elchupacabra 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

There are XY females, with CAIS

People with CAIS can't reproduce and they don't have any female internal organs. Swyer syndrome people usually can't either.

That's right. They develop as a female.

Except they aren't female. We can argue about your Swyer syndrome case study but people with CAIS are not female. If anything, they're closer to lacking a sex due to a hormonal issue, without which they would be normal males.

If that's where you want to move the bar, it still fails.

Perhaps it's just getting late but that's irritating, seeing as I have moved no bar anywhere because that was my first comment to you in regards to this subject.

chimeras

Chimeras are a different story. They have some male and some female genes. They're literally a physical combination of both sexes, so you putting them in the same category as people with a typical set of chromosomes and a hormonal disorder is inconsistent.

There are two sexes, but some people who are genetically part one sex and part the other can, in some very, very rare cases be fertile. These people are the only ones with any ambiguity in classification, only because physically, they literally have parts of both sexes.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

People with CAIS can't reproduce and they don't have any female internal organs. Swyer syndrome people usually can't either.

So in the general case they're not female or male?

Or are you claiming that they're male?

Even the fertile female ones?

Chimeras are a different story. They have some male and some female genes. They're literally a physical combination of both sexes, so you putting them in the same category as people with a typical set of chromosomes and a hormonal disorder is inconsistent.

So XX|XY chimeras are not one sex or the other?

These people are the only ones with any ambiguity in classification, only because physically, they literally have parts of both sexes.

Great! We agree. There are people who have ambiguous sex.

So "there are only two sexes" doesn't work for people.

[–]elchupacabra 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

People with CAIS are male. No one with CAIS has ever been able to reproduce. I don't understand why you insist on putting people with a genetically defined chromosomal sex in the same category as chimeras who have the genes of both sexes. The only people with Swyer Syndrome who can reproduce are chimeras and are both male and female.

So XX|XY chimeras are not one sex or the other?

They're male and female because they have the genes of both sexes.

There are people who have ambiguous sex.

It's really not ambiguous when we can point out the genes of each sex and accurately say they have the genes of both.

So "there are only two sexes" doesn't work for people.

There are two sexes and a very tiny minority of people who literally have the genes of two different people combined into one can have both male and female genes and are technically both male and female.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

People with CAIS are male.

Really?

They've got a vagina. They've got a uterus. They've got no penis.

How is that male?

No one with CAIS has ever been able to reproduce.

Remind me what's that for to do with it? Are you saying people that can't reproduce are not intersex but male?

XY people have been able to reproduce as a fertile female.

I don't understand why you insist on putting people with a genetically defined chromosomal sex in the same category as chimeras who have the genes of both sexes

I'm not sure it's the same category. But they're certainly not precisely male or female.

The only people with Swyer Syndrome who can reproduce are chimeras and are both male and female.

Nope. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2190741/

It's really not ambiguous when we can point out the genes of each sex and accurately say they have the genes of both.

So not one of the two sexes, but both?

So "there are only two sexes" didn't work for people?

There are two sexes and a very tiny minority of people who literally have the genes of two different people combined into one can have both male and female genes and are technically both male and female.

Okay, so they're both sexes. And the XY woman in The case study who had two unassisted pregnancies, and have birth to the daughter was ... Male?

[–]hfxB0oyA 11 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Welcome, fellow heretic!

[–]MalusDeathblade 10 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

I think I made this same post like a week ago haha. Agreed. I made a new account and posted this place on reddit too (since all my reddit accounts get banned after 5-20 posts because logic and facts are too cruel to post)

TY Said IT for replacing LeftIt, i mean Reddit

[–]SMCAB 3 insightful - 9 fun3 insightful - 8 fun4 insightful - 9 fun -  (0 children)

Take this fucking bigoted hate speech somewhere else.

We are trying to create an environment of unlimited asspats and wholesome interactions that don't involve your limited closed off worldview. We like to see the world for how we wish it to be, not for what it actually is.

I'll bet you don't even have all your boosters. Racist.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Yep, welcome.

Said it, the last place you can say the n word.

[–]HibikiBlack 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Hahaha. Have fun using it.

[–]Godknight[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you!

[–]EternalSunset 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I just created an account on Imgur and I got downvoted a hundred times and banned instantly just for saying there are only 2 genders.

Yup. That sums up my Imgur experience pretty well too.

[–]Godknight[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Thank you for the kind words, my niggas.

[–]Alphix 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Wait, I thought you were a wigger?

[–]Godknight[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I'm just a wigger with a rocket launcher.

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

There are only 2 genders.

But some people aren't exactly either.

[–]dicknipples 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (45 children)

Welcome

Here you are indeed most welcome to name as many genders you'd like, from 1 to infinity.

For the record, there are three sexes: male, female and intersex (those whose bodily/hormonal variation means they are neither fully male/female). Gender is a cultural term. sauce (link will download a PDF)

[–]Vulptex 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (44 children)

Intersex isn't a third sex. It's a combination of the two sexes.

[–]dicknipples 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (37 children)

In terms of legal categories of sexes, intersex is a third sex, sometimes referred to more broadly as a third gender (which would include more than intersex people). Some countries use a wider umbrella for this as 'non-binary'. Nations that recognize this 3rd sex category of intersex (AKA perhaps for political reasons, third gender or non-binary which might not be intersex in many cases): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_recognition_of_non-binary_gender

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (31 children)

In terms of legal categories of sexes, intersex is a third sex

In terms of biology I would disagree. Every human either has the male sex chromosome or does not. An 'intersex' individual with XXY still has the male chromosome, and would still be a male

[–]dicknipples 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes - they are normally identified as male at birth, unless for some reason surgery to remove the twig & berries is arranged early on, in cases where the child is considered more female than male in a wealthy country that can offer that surgery (eg. examples in the US).

Chromosomal differences aren't the only factors to consider. Congenital adrenal hyperplasia causes developments across the Prader scale and/or Quigley scale. It's why you'd want to keep your Phall-O-Meter nearby when determining a baby's sex. (It's a joke, but hopefully you get my meaning.)

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yes, thats true, chromosomal sex can be a mismatch with the sexual development of genitals. I suppose I can accept this definition of intersex: having intersex characteristics, i.e. male genital expression or elevated testosterone without the male chromosome or vice versa. We still can't consider them women for purposes of fairness in sports if they have elevated Testosterone, and women have an expectation of no penises in the ladies room, even if they chromosomally are female, so yeah I see the value of this category

[–]dicknipples 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In my view all intersex people should compete only with similar intersex people in sports, in the same manner that differently abled people compete with one another in the special olympics. There are too many cases where women have worked all their lives to compete at the highest levels only to lose to intersex men. It's so unfair and unethical, I am surprised and disgusted that anyone supported it. The concerns of a few intersex men who are somehow also women do not outweigh the rights of the entire field of women.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

There are a couple of disorders that will make an XY genotype develop into an unambiguous woman.

How do you wedge that into your world view?

[–]elchupacabra 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

How is a person with CAIS who is completely sterile, produces no body hair and almost no body oil or sweat, has no female internal organs and usually not even any internal genitals, an "unambiguous woman"?

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

Swyer Syndrome have normal body hair, normal female external genitalia, normal uterus, and are assigned female at birth, because there's no ambiguity in the genitalia. They usually find out they they're XY due to delayed puberty.

CAIS women have little public hair but develop normal breasts at puberty have a vagina but no uterus.

Normally diagnosed when they have trouble getting pregnant.

They're unambiguously women, because they have all the external primary and secondary sexual characteristics of a woman, and none of those of a man.

Sometimes they're fertile:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2190741/

[–]elchupacabra 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

XY gonadal dysgenesis, also known as Swyer syndrome, is a type of hypogonadism in a person whose karyotype is 46,XY. Though they typically have normal female external genitalia, the person has functionless gonads, fibrous tissue termed "streak gonads", and if left untreated, will not experience puberty.

Seems that the case you showed me and other cases of fertility in such cases are due to the people being chimeras. Which means they are part male and part female genetically. There are still two distinct parts.

As u/Vulptex said, "intersex" is a catch-all category for people with disorders of sexual development. For people who literally have some male and some female genes, sure they are essentially part male and part female. That's a very, very small proportion of the people categorized as intersex; usually it's some kind of hormonal disorder.

And again, the person in your study was a combination of both sexes genetically. We can define the sexes chromosomally, but sometimes things go wrong in development or chimeras occur.

it should be noted that the incidence of normal fertile females who have a 46,XY karyotype is not known because it is not routine to check the karyotype in fertile women.

Definitely interesting, but with everyone sending their genes to 23AndMe and related companies, if it was some common thing, we would know.

I wonder if there are any positives to such a condition at all or if they generally tend to be negative and neutral, in which case they'll probably just die out or continue to occasionally spontaneously occur at a very low rate, the way they do now.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Which means they are part male and part female genetically. There are still two distinct parts.

And they, as a person, are not male or female.

And by your definition of XY = male, they may be male, but have a female body and psychology. Which most people would call "female".

[–]elchupacabra 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

And by your definition of XY = male, they may be male, but have a female body and psychology. Which most people would call "female".

Except they're not 100% XY.

they, as a person, are not male or female.

They are both male and female. Physically, parts of them are male and other parts are female on a cellular level.

Which most people would call "female".

People can call it what they will colloquially. The point is that you're making it some sort of weird, social thing where we need to take offense to what they're called instead of describing them accurately and having an accurate view of what's going on.

I'm not gonna go find some CAIS person and harass them with "YOU'RE A MALE!!! YOU'RE A BIOLOGICAL MALE WITH A DISEASE THAT AFFECTS YOUR REPRODUCTIVE SYSTEM!!" no. But they are biologically male and they do have a disease that affects their reproductive system. If they're fine otherwise, then they're fine and we shouldn't go meddling with their bodies if it isn't medically necessary. But it's what they are. And I probably wouldn't even be able to pick out a CAIS person from a crowd anyway so who cares? But I'm not going to sit in the privacy of my own home and mind and pretend to myself that they're female because it's somehow offensive. It's just reality.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Being an XY female would be the best. Female but without periods and other annoying sexual functions. Not even having to experience puberty at all.

[–]elchupacabra 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I'm very curious about whether such people have any sex drive at all.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There are a couple of disorders that will make an XY genotype develop into an unambiguous woman.

How do you wedge that into your world view?

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

There are a couple of disorders that will make an XY genotype develop into an unambiguous woman.

How do you wedge that into your world view?

According to biological science a human with an XY genotype is male. Biological sex is determined by chromosomes, not genitals. From a social standpoint, I would accept the 'intersex' definition, as I would recognize that despite their genotype, they have characteristics we normally associate with the other sex such as hormone levels or genitals (note, I did not say 'defined by' these other characteristics). that might make it inappropriate to categorize them as their genetic sex in a society where separation of sexes in sports and changing rooms is generally agreed to be a desirable thing for reasons that have to do with hormones and genitals rather than chromosomes and biological definitions

[–]Vulptex 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

That's silly. Intersex is by definition a mix of male and female. And it's much too diverse to be considered a single sex. It may be different if every case of intersex was the same, but it's not. Intersex does not have a particular set of characteristics like male and female do. It is a mashup of those two.

[–]dicknipples 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

by definition a mix of male and female.

Hence it is sometimes difficult to determe if it's predominantly one sex or the other, and therefore called intersex. One of the reasons is related to my response to HKP re. congenital adrenal hyperplasia: https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/al91/thank_you_saidit/11ok5

[–]Vulptex 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Intersex means it's unclassified. An "unclassified" animal does not create a new species called unclassified. Rather "unclassified" denotes the lack of a classification. Intersex is just a catch-all term, not a specific sex like male and female.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'd like to be extrasexed.

[–]dicknipples 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Seems so

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

So there are really two sexes, but some people are some combination of both.

Didn't this stretch the meaning of "exactly" a little bit?

Wouldn't the sentence be less incorrect without that word?

[–]Vulptex 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

You're just arguing about my semantics now. There are exactly two distinct sexes in their own right. Intersex is a corruption/mashup of those two, not its own distinct sex.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

There are exactly two distinct sexes in their own right. Intersex is a corruption/mashup of those two, not its own distinct sex.

So:

1) There are exactly two distinct sexes in their own right.
2) There are people who don't fit exactly into either of those two distinct sexes.
3) You claim this isn't a contradiction, because we're not talking about the sex that people are, we're only talking about the platonic form of what defines human sexes.

The salient social point seems to be: "Some people don't fit in your boxes. The correct way to deal with that is acceptance and support."

[–]Vulptex 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

What I'm trying to say is intersex is not a sex, it's miscellaneous. There's no set of traits that denotes intersex, only the fact that it isn't wholly male or female. All males have penises, all females have a uterus, but an intersex person might have a penis, a uterus, both, neither, or a hybrid. Males are XY, females are XX, but intersex can be XY, XX, XXY, X, Y, YY, XXYY, and any possible combination. Also, intersex does not have any of its own traits, they are all derived from male and female. Curse the matrix for making it near-impossible for me to communicate my thoughts, but I don't think it gets any simpler than that.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What I'm trying to say is intersex is not a sex, it's miscellaneous.

What I'm trying to say, is there are people who are intersex, and that means intellectual claims about "exactly two sexes" aren't a sensible approach to social policy.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's not completely binary no. But still one-dimensional.

[–]William_World 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don't mind transgender people. They can dress up however they want. Get whatever surgeries they want. A kid getting surgery, and they have parent's permission? Let them. It's not my main focus (economy and crime are).

[–]Godknight[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What if their parents want them to have sex with adult men?

[–]William_World 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

thats not ok but different

[–]Godknight[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Slippery slope my friend.