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[–]Girlwiththeraventat 32 insightful - 3 fun32 insightful - 2 fun33 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

I think something people tend to forget or ignore is that just because someone is racist, transphobic, or whatever doesn't mean they treat those people differently in real life. The left makes these people out to be the worst of the worst, card carrying KKK members. But that's not the truth. Mostly, everyone gets along. Everyone has their own opinions and they are entitled to them.

Before, I couldnt stand the right calling the left snowflakes and going on and on about how identity politics are bad. But now I understand how damaging identity politics is. It just serves to further divide people. And the SJWs screaming about whatever issue they decide to be offended about today is being a snowflake. It's being so mentally fragile you cant imagine two people who dont like each other can actually get along. It means you have a toddler fit just because people don't agree with your opinion.

[–]yayblueberries 19 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

There are plenty of immature adults out there who truly think you have to be mean all the time to everybody you don't like. I've had this happen over and over again where I am courteous to people I truly do not like at all, and they KNOW I don't like them, and they actually get offended when I still help them once in a while without something I know they need. We live in a country full of adult babies with no concept of the fact that everybody is a human being with wants and needs and that you don't have to treat people you don't like as all bad and your arch nemesis. I think the left loves having enemies because they are bullies who need punching bags.

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think the left loves having enemies because they are bullies who need punching bags.

Its not a left vs right thing. Nothing rallies communities together like having a common enemy, its human nature

[–]Youdundeeditnah 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

So you're saying we should declare war on China?? /s

[–]Minedwe 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

The problem is, "racism" has taken a new meaning. It used to mean people that hold vitriolic hatred for anyone of a certain race/ethnicity, but now it is "people who say inconvenient things even if they are factually correct". Many people, including myself, fit the latter description, and are therefore labeled members of the so-called "alt-right" or racists. A very low amount of alt-righters, ones that are accepted/taken seriously by others in the alt-right that is, fit the former description.

A major reason for this divide is because the media would like to have you believe that you HAVE to fall in with a few very strict and inflexible set of opinions or else you're some irrelevant "other". If you look at politics neutrally and realistically you'll see that even the most seemingly cohesive and focused political groups have a great deal of diversity of thought within them.

[–]KraigGronowski 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Racism is used as nothing more than a label to try and shut up or suppress someone. It is meant to have the same meaning, because if it loses that meaning it loses it's effect.

Actual racism is a reality because races like sexes are not equal.

[–]Minedwe 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. It's how our brains are wired to function.

[–]bagano1 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

They're getting desperate. Real racism is all but dead but the SJWs need to find a reason to find something to "fight for" and hence will try to find racism where none existed to begin with. The movement is dead.

[–]Minedwe 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

exactly. It's the infinite revolution/inquisition. The previous definitions weren't strict enough or business became slow so to speak, so they tightened it all and made everything more focused and strict. And it will continue like this until existing while white or procreating while white will be punishable by death, and in some places, it already de facto is.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I've said it before but I'll stress it again- modern standards make any male living before 1980 an alt-right neo nazi. It's not irrational or unfair to want one's country to be 90%+ its endemic homogenous ethnic group. Every other country outside of the West is allowed to practice this.

The "alt right" is growing rapidly because the overton window has shifted to ludicrous degrees and normal functional adults are now considered "alt right".

[–]bagano1 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's not the alt-right anymore, it's the average American, pretty much.

[–][deleted] 27 insightful - 4 fun27 insightful - 3 fun28 insightful - 4 fun -  (83 children)

Oh please. This is just pure propaganda. No, your numbers are in fact so small you have to make up lies like this to act tough. This is why, instead of actually basing anything on evidence or reason, when met with disagreement you sort just screech and try to gish gallop more conspiracies to avoid addressing criticism. I just finished TWO conversations with more of you that ended the exact same way. Most people don't care, most people aren't racist, and most people think you're an extremist.

But that's just how you operate. Trying to sell people a lie so you can pretend you have some sort of influence when you don't. It's frankly kind of silly. The entire list of recognized white nationalist organizations numbers in less than a few tens of thousands.

[–]Zahn 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (41 children)

You're living in a media created bubble that's affecting your viewpoint of reality and creating a false perception. Sure, all your Fakebook friends appear like they are towing the line for the establishment's narrative of pathological egalitarianism, for fear of being accused of wrongthink, which then serves to solidify your erroneous confirmation bias.

When uncensored, most comment sections of any news platform will at least balance in opinion or swing right depending on the topic. Reading censored Reddit reveals the immense amount of effort that has to go into suppressing alternative viewpoints.

Have you ever asked yourself what is so dangerous about these alternative viewpoints of reality that your overlords go to such great lengths to keep you from seeing them? Maybe these viewpoints, in part or whole, are a more truthful reality that doesn't serve your best interests, but rather their own.

[–][deleted] 17 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 3 fun -  (40 children)

I don't have facebook. I don't watch the news. What I can do is look at actual polling, or studies of peoples attitudes and assessments in general in anonymous surveys. Point is, it's propaganda. Your numbers are actually quite tiny, which makes your desperation to pretend otherwise all the funnier. So far what actually happens is everyone but the most obnoxious and ridiculous people (see: Flat earthers) will leave, leaving you people to your own devices. Go back to Voat.

[–]Zahn 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

You exist in a comfort zone of denial. As society continues marching into the destruction of social cohesion, more people start asking why...and they will find the answer. I don't do Voat, and don't need to. Any uncensored platform embraces a more truthful explanation for the sad state of the world.

It's amusing watching your growing discomfort at coming to terms with this. We all have coping mechanisms, and you are no exception. Just keep telling yourself comforting lies. But, inevitably you will have to face the fact that you have miscalculated trends and intentionally let yourself be misinformed about the ruling classes narrative.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

What discomfort? I'm making fun of how desperate you are to lie about your numbers. I'm pretty comfortable. You, however, are so upset by this you need to project your feelings onto me. There is no "social cohesion" problem, literally the United States for its entire history has been a ton of disparate states all demanding they be able to retain autonomy. In fact they've been clawing back that independence ever since WW2, after the great dictator FDR finally died. Independence, individualism, and atomism, has been the core of the USA since its inception.

[–]JuliusCaesar225 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

There is no "social cohesion" problem

Bro, are you living in the same America as everyone else? I will agree though that white nationalist numbers are not large, but they are growing.

[–]Zahn 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

Exactly, ridicule at this point is all you have in your toolbox as a coping mechanism. You reveal yourself if you are willfully ignorant that our society is unravelling as social mistrust and apprehension soars.

How about all those polls and statistics you presumably follow? Social mistrust at the highest it's ever been:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/08/26/americans-are-less-trusting-than-ever-before-that-could-also-make-us-poor/

You must of missed that one, got to keep the confirmation bubble inflated!

'Even though invasive immigration is the strongest indicator for the astronomical lack of social cohesion, it's got to be something else....we just can't figure out what else might be causing it!'

https://phys.org/news/2019-07-diversity-social-mistrust.html

Please demonstrate your cognitive dissonance while you conjure up your own imaginative explanations.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

Oh goody! the "diversity social cohesion" myth again! You haven't actually read anything about it have you? Here's a refutation by The Alternative Hypothesis, who used to be your peoples little golden boy until he caught up with the research: https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2018/08/10/ethnic-diversity-and-social-cohesion-a-critique/

Diversity has no effect on social capital. The reason Americans are less trusting than ever is actually the real reason behind personality degradation. Health. Obesity. The less healthy you perceive yourself to be, the less trusting you are of other people, because the more neurotic you are. That's causal. Not a correlation like Putnam and the bullshit you cite.

[–]Zahn 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

How cute, really grasping at straws there. You present for perusal a no name author, with only tangential experience in anything remotely related to a sociological background. Who then proceeds to cobble together a flimsy "critique" as he says, of studies by actual real scientists that have previously concluded that invasive immigration is socially destructive.

In conclusion, I don’t think the social-scientific literature I am aware of has compellingly shown that diversity qua diversity has an important effect on social cohesion.

This is all you've got? We should irreparably disintegrate western culture because some student cherry picked studies to curate a predetermined hypothesis to explain rising social incohesion.

Let me guess, you yourself don't live in a vibrantly diverse neighborhood.....Do you?

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I present a blog post by a well recognized participant from your "side of the isle" summarizing a number of very well done studies with large sample sizes. We can discuss the merits of the individual research if you wish, I'm familiar with all of it, but I suspect you've never read a single one in your life. Case in point: You don't know what the null hypothesis is.

This is all you've got? We should irreparably disintegrate western culture because some student cherry picked studies to curate a predetermined hypothesis to explain rising social incohesion.

If repeatedly well done research fails to demonstrate a causal effect... you do not have evidence to support your proposition. In other words, the strongest negation of your beliefs possible. That you think this is somehow a weak refutation says a lot more about you, and a sad lack of education.

[–]Zahn 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Your evidence:

I present a blog post

Your student tier cherry picked "refutation" has been conclusively debunked by actual scientists, but you won't go beyond your confirmation bubble to figure this out.

The majority of studies conclude that invasive immigration is the primary cause of lack of social cohesion. Most people in the sociological field reject the premise of your blog post author. I'm sorry this conflicts with your narrow minded view of the world, but you must come to terms with this.

[–]KraigGronowski 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It is blatantly obvious that the more a society is similar the more cohesive it is. The fact you can't see this and need studies on it proves you are what is completely wrong with society :-) Next you will be quoting studies on why lions only attack buffalo because of capitalism. Why don't you go off and make your own little leftish shithole.

[–]KraigGronowski 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

"diversity social cohesion" myth

LoL who is lying? If diversity is no problem to cohesion why not not put anyone in jail? Just let those diverse range of criminals roam free. Why does israel wall off Palestinians? Surely just because some people want to car bomb shouldn't ruin the cohesion?

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Uhhh, the topic was ethnic diversity. Ideologies that cause people to plant car bombs is not ethnic diversity. There isn't a "car bomb gene".

[–]KraigGronowski 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

There isn't a "car bomb gene".

Do you have a study proving that? :-)

[–]KraigGronowski 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm making fun of how desperate you are to lie about your numbers.

Did Trump win? and if he wins again you will know what is and is not a lie :-)

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If you think Trump is a white nationalist candidate you're equally as mistaken as the far-left media calling him such.

[–]KraigGronowski 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

He is the closest to a white nationist in a long time. You think white nationalists can just be open in the public about their beliefs?

[–]mikipika 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If your numbers are so big, what's the problem?

[–]72ndGender 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Can you point me to some of the polls that show that whites don't prefer to live in a white country? That doesn't seem like something anyone would have the balls to poll different races on, but I would like to be surprised here.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

There is not a poll on that specific question, but here is a summary of some research regarding followups to Putnam's original study where this idea stems from. Basically, there's no evidence that diversity really has any effect on social capital or overall happiness, when properly studied and isolated as a cause. Something Putnam's lazy correlation did not do.

I link Alt Hype in particular because he used to push this same narrative. He might still do, but even he had to admit the research does not support it.

[–]72ndGender 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Ah, okay. I must have misunderstood your comment. I was under the impression that you were saying that you had polls that showed that white nationalism (not supremacy) had a tiny number of people. It would be very interesting to see those kinds of stats though. Don't see anyone doing a poll on that any time soon.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Regarding the number of white nationalists, I did link wikipedia of all considered "white nationalist" groups and organizations. There are less than a few tens of thousands. There's no evidence of some prevalent or large "white nationalist" support in the general population, and the low numbers of adherents to any formal group support this. That's the crux of why I call this baseless propaganda.

[–]72ndGender 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Those are organized groups though. Being a white nationalist just means you want a white nation. People wouldn't join an organization for something that they casually believe in, just like people don't join formal environmental activist groups just because they care about the environment. I think those groups are more likely to be supremacy groups, than just regular nationalists anyway. Meanwhile, white people know that if they joined any group specifically for white people, that their entire lives could be destroyed. They would lose jobs, be prevented from being hired, and have their lives and their families' lives in danger.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Do you actually have some indication of how many people beyond these groups support ethnonationalism? If not, the only thing you can say is "I don't know". Coming up with excuses or reasons behind why the number is so few is not an argument in support of a higher estimate. If I tripled the number it would still be below 1% of the population.

[–]72ndGender 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I'm not the one making claims about the number of people holding that belief, you are. You didn't provide anything to support that and neither of us have any way of quantifying that. Not sure why that makes you angry. The Wikipedia stats on formal groups have absolutely nothing to do with how many people hold a belief. It's weird that you even think that. Or deliberately dishonest.

If I showed you Wikipedia stats for environmental activist groups to show the amount of people that believe in protecting the environment, you wouldn't think that was an accurate count of the total amount of them. Would you?

[–]KraigGronowski 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I did a poll and it said your wrong.

[–]KraigGronowski 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What I can do is look at actual polling, or studies of peoples attitudes and assessments in general in anonymous surveys

The same polling that somehow completely missed Trumps base and continues? Why? Could it have anything to do with deep state and leftist profiling and targeting of any opposition? Holding these opinions could literally get you killed by them.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ah yes, of course. Rather than address the point, divert. "What if" is not an argument. Why yes, "what if" all evidence to the contrary somehow you're right. Okay. But I don't care about "what if". I care about evidence.

[–]KraigGronowski 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is plenty of evidence for deep state and leftist profiling and targeting, you don't have to look hard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_op2cucu7Y

[–]horatioherbert 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"What I can do is look at actual polling" - because they are such an accurate portrayal of popular opinion beyond manipulation. "or studies of peoples attitudes and assessments in general in anonymous surveys" - ?

[–]whistlepig 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

Agreed. Either what you said or op is using an SJW definition for the term "White Nationalist" that includes pretty much everyone SJW's don't like.

[–][deleted] 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

He's part of the Voat or /pol/ propaganda wave. Basically any time any service shows up that states it won't explicitly ban them they immediately rush in to try and make the place as hostile as possible so everyone else will leave. They're just about as annoying as the radical communists and other sorts, desperate to ensure nobody with anything approaching sanity bothers to stick around. Just look at their posting history, or when they arrive. It's pretty transparent. They always set up shop the same way, too, by also establishing "protection" pages alleging "shills" exist when there's any effort to disagree with them.

They have these cringe ops they engage in too. Just go look at Voat for a bit, you'll see. It's hilarious.

[–]Penelope 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

He's part of the Voat or /pol/ propaganda wave.

You are the interloper here.

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Awww, you think you could get yet another safe space for extremism without criticism? I'm happy to disappoint.

[–]Penelope 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Unlike the circle jerk platforms you infest with your brand of extremism. We won't deprive you of expressing your views......but, you're going to get your lunch eaten.

[–]horatioherbert 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What is extremist about wanting to be with people of your own choosing?

[–]KraigGronowski 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Awww, you think you could get yet another safe space for extremism without criticism? I'm happy to disappoint.

You are a little confused about who invented and needs safe spaces. If you would like to meet up with a real White Nationist he would be glad to remind you.

[–]KraigGronowski 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He's part of the Voat or /pol/ propaganda wave

Do you have a studies or poll to prove that? Because it seems like you are just making that up. :-)

[–]KraigGronowski 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

No, your numbers are in fact so small you have to make up lies like this to act tough.

LoL you had better hope you are wrong because the white nationalist are the only thing that is going to stand against the yellow nationists, all 1.5 billion of them, more racist and more vicious than whitey ever was. Go have a read about Chinese opinions of Blacks , Jews and Whites, and even other Asians. Trust me they will be eating BBQ humans categorized by race when the war starts.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Riiight. That's totally how that works. You have to become your enemy to defeat them? What kind of books have you been reading? One can easily defend against someone else's bullshittery simply by saying "No", and by force of arms if need be, without adopting a single jot or tittle of their method or operation. "White nationalists" are not the ones who will stand against any encroachment by china or racism from the Chinese. That will be our military.

But this is how conspiracy theorists and extremists work. They try to prime your threat response to inhibit conscious thought by presenting a supposed danger or threat first and foremost.

[–]KraigGronowski 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So you don't support BLM?

White nationalists were the first and loudest ones calling out the threat of China. The Left Jewish leading multiculturalists are still down playing it.

[–]mikipika 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just FYI, most of the crap you buy at Walmart is made in China.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Lol imagine thinking the world actually works like this, things sorted by color in a way that's convenient for a toddler's mind to comprehend

[–]KraigGronowski 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

It does for some and has for many over history. The world has become less tribal as tribes got bigger, but there is still plenty of tribes out there. If you are not aware of Chinese racism I suggest you get acquainted, before it is forced on you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvN4WHBhnoo https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/27/china-fails-to-stop-racism-against-africans-over-covid-19

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Oh I'm well aware of China's racism, but that doesn't mean the whole world is a hivemind of race-based thinking. Far from it, especially as civilization matures. There's pockets of it, but to say it all comes down to that is honestly childish

[–]KraigGronowski 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I should report your posts for dragging down discussion, aka low on the pyramid, whos the admin around here? ;-)

First I didn't say "the whole world is a hivemind of race-based thinking". But interesting you would bring that point, because where ever there is racial differentiation, there is something that has caused it. Be that usually geography, but there is a genetic component and that component is quite present, I would say almost universal. I have liked Brett Weinsteins talks on it ( https://youtu.be/2WEIU16BPPw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G59zsjM2UI), as a program that exists in us that when active allows things like the holocaust. China is dangerously like Nazi Germany. The mistake the west would make is to think it couldn't happen again, and especially because it is not a white nation. The other mistake is to think that white people are the pinnacle or naturally superior race or culture, only history will prove that and China has a lot of history on it's side already. Needless to say a war with a nation the size of China likely won't have any winner. I find the China perspective on race quite relieving and logical, they laugh at us with our "political correct" concepts. I have to say the cult of intersectionalism plays right into Chinas advantage and I would be surprised if they weren't pushing on it hard, given it is the end result of now dead Soviet programs to undermine America, that are proven very effective and difficult to end.

To answer you point more straightly, racial views are far more spread and universal than mere pockets, they are in our genes. I have come to this view on my own traveling the world talking to many people.

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I have also traveled the world and talked to many people, and that's exactly why I think it's such a shallow viewpoint. I was that other race, a lot of the time, and people were very kind and friendly to me, almost across the board. There's so many more factors at play, many with much more prominence and power.

[–]KraigGronowski 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

If your at kind and friendly you're looking at the veneer. It takes a bit to get deeper.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Lol judging people's skin color is literally looking at the veneer, so I'm going to have to say my perspective is deeper.

[–]KraigGronowski 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well it is and it isn't. Genetics don't quite work like that, in that the genes for skin color will have other effects. Skin color is used successfully as a group indicator, and as that it's a veneer but other traits have evolved around it such that as an indicator it indicates far more than it alone would.

You are correct that judging peoples skin color could be looking at just the veneer. It's much the same as the social customs of people which are generally polite and nice. In either case getting past the veneer is necessary to find what is actually there. The problem though is in most situations getting past a veneer is really not possible, so you usually have to generalize on what you have known in the past.

[–]pcpmasterrace 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

In 2018 George Hawley, one of the few objective academics studying the far-right in America, estimated that around 11 million Americans* -- about 1/6th of Trump's popular vote in 2016-- share white nationalist beliefs.

Hawley, under immense political pressure, later claimed a rounding error and cut this number in half. Yet when we look at the margin of Trump's sinking poll numbers with whites compared to his exit polls in 2016, the data suggests the original 11 million number* was right.

https://national-justice.com/trump-needs-white-nationalist-votes-and-he-knows-it

*Minor error here, Striker's using the updated number rather than the original, 12% x 197 million is actually 23 million. This 12% figure is still in line with the drop in Trump's polling among whites.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

You might want to read the actual article rather than a summary of the article. Here's how this genius researcher determined "white nationalist beliefs"

Respondents were asked how important their race was to their identity on a five-point scale ranging from “not at all important” to “extremely important.” They were also asked a question measuring their feelings of white solidarity: “How important is it that whites work together to change laws that are unfair to whites?” This followed the same five-point scale. Finally, we can assess survey respondents’ feelings of white victimization from their answers to the question of how much discrimination whites face in the U.S., also on a five-point scale, ranging from “none at all” to a “great deal.”

So instead of asking any political question or anything indicating actual white nationalist belief, this survey is instead making that assumption from 3 questions. Um... no.

Additionally, the number is 5.64%, which you'd have known had you read the source article. The percentage was mistaken, not the number. Even accepting this absurd method as a true upper limit, that means you're capped at best in ideal circumstances at about 11 million people. You hardly have "tens of millions". And I'm pretty sure asking people vague undirected questions like that without any instrumentation validity checking to guarantee strong correlation between ideology and these attitudes is not a valid way to measure anything.

[–]pcpmasterrace 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Someone that scores high on all 3 questions is fairly described as a white nationalist or identitarian. That's how they'll be treated by the establishment and society, at least. And originally, Hawley was claiming that over 20 million white Americans had these views. It was only after a few days of pressure that he went back and claimed he made an error in the calculation. But the loss in Trump's polling gap among white voters vs 2016 is consistent with Hawley's original numbers.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Did... you even read my reply? 5.64% of the estimated number is 11 million. The error was in the percentage. And, no, it doesn't. Because I agree with all 3 questions and I am not a white nationalist. The questions are vague and over-exaggerating the scope for people like you. Even so for the sake of argument I can accept it as an absolute extreme upper-limit of your possible numbers and that gives us... 5.64%. You're an adorable minority.

[–]pcpmasterrace 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Originally he claimed about 11% or 23 milllion, and then he cut that in half for his revision. You can't have a percentage error without a number error, they're directly proportional.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

...It's a percentage error of the adult population of the USA. Read the original article. Jesus Christ this is embarrassing for you. The original mistake was 12% of the adult population, when it was actually supposed to be 5.64% of the adult population. Resulting in 11 million. The original number was correct, the percentage of the adult population was not.

[–]pcpmasterrace 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The original number was 20+ million, Vox notes that they updated their title and piece with the new number. I remember when all of this happened, it's deliberately confusing.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Jesus Christ can you pay attention? The error was the percentage, I even linked the original article. The number was not mistaken, the percentage was. What the hell is wrong with you?

Since you keep refusing to read the article:

"Editor’s note: A data error by the author of the study cited here inflated the percentage of non-Hispanic white Americans with alt-right compatible views up to 12 percent. The actual figure is 5.64 percent. All numbers in the piece and headline have been updated to reflect the correct figures. "

[–]deAccount 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

You're seething because spending the last half a decade on ahs unemployed accomplished nothing. You will never get rid of us.

And no matter how much you think otherwise, your posting child porn on "wrongthink" subs will catch up to you. There is no group of """""""people""""""" that prisoners hate more than pedophiles.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Uhhhh.... what?

[–]deAccount 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Don't play dumb. You're here from r/AgainstHateSubreddits, thinking that you've done good with your life by clicking that report button, and "fighting internet nazis". Saidit doesn't censor content, so you're allowed to be here, although you won't be banning anyone.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Nope. Hate that place. Hate reddit. Have hated reddit. You going to present an argument relevant to the topic ooooorrrr....?

[–]deAccount 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You were serious when saying our numbers are that low?? I thought you were just making some absurd joke to mock us. You really think that there are only tens of thousands that take no issue with "it's okay to be white"? Because that classifies anyone as a white nationalist by every major institution in the country. Just google those six words if you don't believe me.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

What evidence do you have that your numbers are any higher? Take the highest subscribed white nationalists, Jared Taylor or Richard Spencer, it's tiny. And nobody cares what they say either. Your numbers are tiny.

[–]deAccount 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The former YouTube channel redicetv(now banned) had over 6 million views on a video about white replacement. Our numbers are suppressed by Jewish interest groups like the adl and splc.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Views. People like me contribute to those views. Extrapolating number of people clicking on something to actual adherents of your belief, let alone in a single nation, is not sensible. Even taking that number at face value as an absurdly high upper limit, though? For a nation as big as the USA? You're an extreme minority. There are literally more gay men than there are you.

[–]deAccount 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Most people still are racially segregated over 60 years after elites tried desegregation measures like busing. Race mixing is at a ridiculously low number among whites. If most people had absolutely zero "racist" beliefs, there wouldn't be white neighborhoods or black neighborhoods, most people would live together. Race mixing would be equally as common as same race marriage. Most people believe what we do, they say nothing due to the fact that they'll be doxxed by nyt Jews if they say anything about it.

[–]Extract 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You should stop treating this as an American issue.

The establishment of the whole west has been trying to hide those opinions - and the whole west has a silent (or less silent, in countries less corrupt than America) majority rising up against them, some countries more successfully than others.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

silent majority

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's worth mentioning what classifies someone as a White Nationalist. The 14 words.

"We must secure the existence of our people, and a future for White children."

That shouldn't be a controversial statement. The fact that it is tells you everything you need to know about the modern political establishment, and their long term objectives for White people.

[–]Literallyawoman 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Well yeah the country has always been a majority of fly over states...

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

due to electoral college they still have power to decide president so can't be ignored. Also each state getting two senators helps them. President nominates a supreme court justice, senate approves it so they also decide judicial branch.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I really don't think this is fair, and am tired of people bringing it up.

If the democrats want to play chess, then the Republicans will plan accordingly and play chess but everyone agreed to checkers. It's not fair to say that the right wing is better at the rules that were made known since the beginning. If the left wants this to be a popularity contest, then strategic goals will shift. It's not like counties in states like CA can't be shifted red; campaigns can change drastically and thus change the outcomes.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think it is fair. The flyover states may have less people but the people they have are more likely to be farmers. The land and what is done with it is more important that people. The people on the coasts are mostly liberal and frankly they're wrong about most issues, they have easy lives and the luxury to have wrong complacent views and are very hypocritical. The rules were put in place like this and Thomas Jefferson was a major player in it and he wanted this to be a pastoral union and knew it would be less corrupt that way of course the country has become an empire. This thread is talking about tens of millions of white nationalists, really they are people that want to be left alone and not bombarded with criminals.

[–]KraigGronowski 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's not like counties in states like CA can't be shifted red

Plz don't, watching leftists self implode is so entertaining.

[–]Papitas 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

What's the difference? You still talk all day about politics.

[–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

The silent majority in the US is center-right or far right. You just don't see the Trump bumper stickers, because we don't want our cars vandalized by psychotic leftists.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Lol, "psychotic", pretty sure the far right domestic terrorists that murder people with cars or guns are waaayyy more common.

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    [–]wecandobetter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You are 100% correct in your assessment of the police. They will support anyone that enables them to be power thirsting thugs.

    [–]Hadza 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Pack it up, boys, this guy is pretty sure.

    [–]malthuswaswrong 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I'm white nationalist adjacent. I'll take the 14, you can keep the 88.

    I don't wish black or Hispanic people any ill will. On the contrary, I hope for the best for them. I'm rooting for them. I just want them to have their own country and leave mine alone. But I don't want to physically remove anyone. If they want to be part of the european enlightenment, they can, but they have to pay taxes, not receive welfare. The constitution needs to be repaired where the government has no power to redistribute wealth.

    [–]Hadza 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    but they have to pay taxes, not receive welfare.

    They won't. Your move?

    [–]Tarrock 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Just a reminder: Black and even Asian Nationalism is considered empowering by the MSM. White Nationalism is spouted by the MSM as evil.

    [–]Turn0ffy0urmind 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I'm sure none of these people are commie shills. that could never happen.

    [–]smokratez 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    as a basic colorblind Conservative

    Does this mean you pretend blacks are people and equal to humans?